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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article192336839.html
The Department of Homeland Security is considering new regulations that would prevent H-1B visa extensions, according to two U.S. sources briefed on the proposal. The measure potentially could stop hundreds of thousands of foreign workers from keeping their H-1B visas while their green card applications are pending.

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The Trump administration is cracking down on companies that get visas for foreign workers and farm them out to employers.

Some staffing agencies seek hard-to-get H-1B visas for high-skilled workers, only to contract them out to other companies. There's nothing inherently illegal about contracting out visa recipients, but the workers are supposed to maintain a relationship with their employers, among other requirements.

In some cases, outsourcing firms flood the system with applicants. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency said in a new policy memo released Thursday it will require more information about H-1B workers' employment to ensure the workers are doing what they were hired for.

Companies will have to provide specific work assignments, including dates and locations, to verify the "employer-employee" relationship between the company applying for an H-1B and its visa recipient.

H-1B visas are valid for three years and can be renewed for another three years. It is a visa that is near and dear to the tech community, with many engineers vying for one of the program's 85,000 visas each year. (20,000 of that quota are reserved for advanced degree holders.) Demand for the visa often exceeds the supply -- in that case, a lottery system is activated.

"Since there is a limited number of H-1B visas it is important that those visa workers go where they are legitimately needed," attorney Sara Blackwell told CNN. Blackwell advocates for American workers replaced by foreigner visa holders.

The government's crackdown is in line with Trump's direction to federal agencies to implement a "Buy American, Hire American" strategy. The administration proposed new rules and guidance for preventing fraud and abuse of work visas -- particularly the H-1B program.

The USCIS says it may limit the length of the visa to shorter than three years based the information an employer provides. For example, if an employer can't prove the H-1B holder is "more likely than not" needed for the full three years, the government might issue the visa for fewer than three years.

The memo also says the administration wants to prevent employee "benching." That's when firms bring on H-1B visa holders but don't give them work and don't pay them the required wages while they wait for jobs. Most projects don't need foreign workers for the full term, according to Monty Hamilton, CEO of IT contractor Rural Sourcing.


http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/23/technology/h1b-visa-abuse/index.html

How could we NOT suspend all H1Bs right now?


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/15/indias-nasscom-companies-ask-trump-to-keep-the-h-1b-pipeline/

https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/29/tragesser-opponents-argue-trump-ban-on-foreign-guest-workers-will-cripple-economy-heres-why-they-are-wrong/

On June 22, President Trump signed an executive order suspending several temporary foreign guest worker programs in an effort to create economic opportunities for displaced Americans who lost their jobs during the COVID-19 pandemic. Despite the president’s clearly stated intentions, the order received immediate critical scrutiny. Many argued it would reduce skilled workers, since Americans do not offer the same skill sets as those abroad. This could not be farther from the truth — the truth is that America offers a robust work force that should be prioritized during an unprecedented economic crisis, and the president’s order could not have come at a better time.

The president’s executive order simply prioritizes millions of unemployed Americans who offer the same, if not arguably better, skillsets than workers abroad. The proclamation suspends several foreign visas categories — including the H1-B, H2-B, J, and L visas — and range from high skilled positions in the tech industry to lower skilled positions in the hospitality industry. The notion that businesses cannot find Americans who can fill in for these positions is comical. ...

Foreign labor, especially during a global pandemic, brings economic consequences —and this idea is far from being fringe. Americans have made clear that competition from foreign labor at a time of record unemployment during the COVID-19 pandemic warrants immigration restrictions. Curtailing immigration and guest worker admissions is supported by 79 percent of the American public and cuts across all party, ideological, and demographic lines. In other recent polling, strong majorities of voters in ten battleground states agreed that “limiting admission of new immigrants and guest workers will improve the chances of laid-off American workers being rehired. ...

The corporate business lobby has painted a distorted image that only further reinforces their greed and self-interest. Americans know they boast the skills to replace most foreign guest labor and are hungry for better economic opportunities during an unprecedented economic crisis that shows no sign of abating soon.”

The whole point of all these programs is prevent Americans from being paid well so that stockholders can take all those savings as profit.

There is no other reason they exist. It is pure political corruption.

71% of Silicon Valley is H1B's doing easy ordinary work that most Americans could do, like QA. Tech shareholders are the beneficiaries of these programs, at the expense of American workers' wages.

BLM and the protesters should be egging the houses of the CEOs of Apple, Facebook, Google, and Amazon. They are the enemies of fair wages for US tech workers, and they contribute exclusively to Democrats in order to keep US citizens poor.

Trump is right, and the Democrats on the take from tech CEOs are wrong.

Please share this with friends.

Sorry Big Tech HR Girls and CEOs.

Nobody is buying the bullshit that lowering H1Bs will stop the next Werner von Braun or Einstein from being scooped up by the USA.

Everybody knows Raj probably doesn't have the 1-2 year nonname, fly-by-night Mumbai tech schoo degree. I suspect most couldn't pass a basic Linux Foundation or COMPTIA Core Test. You just want them because you don't have to pay them unemployment, work them 50-60 hours for 40, and that 40 at less than having the job done by an actual basic certified American (much less a CS degree from any university or college).

We have a visa for real world-class researchers, it's the O-1 Visa.

https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873174358535110953

Basic Facts about H1Bs:

* Was started based on a late 80s National Science Foundation secret report that whinged that American BS and MS in STEM fields were paid too much

* And weren't becoming PhDs because their salaries were adequate, and complaining PhDs were also overpaid: It was ALWAYS about wages, not supply.

* Does not provide "Companies with workers they are short of". It provides AGENCIES with workers they then subcontract out. Cognizant and Tata are the prime "employers" of H1Bs

* TWO THIRDS of H1Bs are in the bottom segments of wages and experience. Not "Rare Skills" but entry level and a few years experience equivalency. We can thus replace H1Bs very rapidly with natives, especially given the large supply of discouraged native STEM trained workers in other fields.

All those jobs should be going to American kids, not h1b foreigners. But that’s not how big tech works, all ran by unpatriotic assholes.

Indians who get here always try to gift and ingratiate themselves with US citizens. They know how good a ride they're getting.

Once they achieve influence, however, the gloves are off.

"Gee, why are we becoming a low trust society?"

"My Uncle Raj works at Mumbai Tech School. For $200 I can get you a certified, real diploma from there"

H1B is just importing illegals vs bringing them here illegally. It’s our own businesses who sell America.

MolotovCocktail says

I can see letting spouses of H1B workers get jobs provided that the H1B is used for its express purpose. That is, only for a specialized highly trained or talented individual who will add value, like a Von Braun or Einstein type. Disney should be prosecuted for bringing in H1B workers to replace existing American labor. One method to stop H1B abuse for cheap labor would be a yearly tax on each H1B employee. A company would not mind the expense for a truly gifted and rare talent but would be deterred from using H1B to drive down wages.

https://www.jobs.now/

Looks like the Federal government is gonna change the way H1B's are allocated. Seems like they are going to be based on the salary of the hire instead of random drawings. Should drive up wages.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-house-approves-changes-to-h-1b-visa-program-here-s-what-to-know/ar-AA1KsEgY

https://x.com/fleshsimulator/status/1955731572206002635

Holy shit lol someone created a website to let Americans apply to the market surveys for unlisted H1B-earmarked job openings that have already been given to a foreign applicant

If any US citizen applies to one of these, they legally can’t issue an H1B for it hahahahahahahahaha

Patrick says

https://x.com/fleshsimulator/status/1955731572206002635

Holy shit lol someone created a website to let Americans apply to the market surveys for unlisted H1B-earmarked job openings that have already been given to a foreign applicant

If any US citizen applies to one of these, they legally can’t issue an H1B for it hahahahahahahahaha

Yes...

MolotovCocktail says

https://www.jobs.now/

https://alwaysthehorizon.substack.com/p/get-a-job-and-disrupt-the-h1b-for

Effectively, merely by being marginally qualified and applying for the job, you can throw a wrench into this whole thing. You don’t have to get the job (you probably won’t, the company and HR exec, and Indian Hiring Manager will be absolutely livid that you applied at all)… but by applying for the job as a US Citizen, you’re effectively auto-denying an H1B residency in the United States. You’re creating a legal clusterfuck for the company.

Of course some one will have to actually start initiating lawsuits, but even in the short term, it’ll have a significant effect if every time Google or Meta or whoever lists a job opportunity for a “software engineer,” they get 5 or 10 U.S. citizens applying for that job. It screws up the entire H1B system because suddenly there’s competition from qualified Americans… meaning that hiring an H1B is for that position is now illegal.

You misunderestimate the deviousness of the fucks: the Indian-infested faceless evil giant IT corporation where I work now posts these jobs on paper in cafeteria where you can't get w/o a badge. So the requirement to post it is fulfilled but the chance of outsiders applying to them is miniscule.

RWSGFY says

the Indian-infested faceless evil giant IT corporation where I work now posts these jobs on paper in cafeteria where you can't get w/o a badge.

That is illegal. Hardcopy postings must be put up at two conspicuous locations at the place of employment for ten days. A restricted area is not "conspicuous," but I suppose in this case someone must sue or call in a Labor Department inspector.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

the Indian-infested faceless evil giant IT corporation where I work now posts these jobs on paper in cafeteria where you can't get w/o a badge.

That is illegal. Hardcopy postings must be put up at two conspicuous locations at the place of employment for ten days. A restricted area is not "conspicuous," but I suppose in this case someone must sue or call in a Labor Department inspector.

And how will said inspector get inside without alerting the fuckers and being delayed at the entrance until they remove the postings from the cafeteria?

There's gonna be massive collusion between the parties employing H1B's to arrive at the same gross pay for the Slaves because of the new regulation making H1B availability based on the wages offered and not by random drawing.

Misc says

There's gonna be massive collusion between the parties employing H1B's to arrive at the same gross pay for the Slaves because of the new regulation making H1B availability based on the wages offered and not by random drawing.

https://x.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1957573503479054479

Apparently there are certain employers obligated to publish jobs first to Americans and are angry Americans are applying in the hundreds. If they reject them all to get a Work Visa for a Foreigner, they'll get flagged by Trump's Dept of Labor.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Apparently there are certain employers obligated to publish jobs first to Americans and are angry Americans are applying in the hundreds. If they reject them all to get a Work Visa for a Foreigner, they'll get flagged by Trump's Dept of Labor.

The legal test is if Americans apply, whether they get accepted or not doesn't matter.

Interesting! Reddit, but Read:

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/1mokcs1/apply_for_perm_jobs_if_you_are_still_looking_for/

It's easy to tell who the entitled foreign workers and HR people are.

VERY Upset that companies would rather remove the PERM Job (that cousin Rajesh promised would go to them) than comply.

RWSGFY says

You misunderestimate the deviousness of the fucks: the Indian-infested faceless evil giant IT corporation where I work now posts these jobs on paper in cafeteria where you can't get w/o a badge. So the requirement to post it is fulfilled but the chance of outsiders applying to them is miniscule.

When I was a wee programmer starting out at Motorola in Chicagoland, I saw a jobs board in the office and asked to apply to one of the jobs. This was about 1994.

I was told the jobs were already assigned to certain people, but for legal reasons they had to post each job as if it were still open. Not sure what the legal reason was back then.

MolotovCocktail says

Because half of those who went to college majored in worthless degrees.

MolotovCocktail says

Two concepts are different h1b vs moving factory to another country. Lot so us here are in IT so only care for that, but since 1990 tons of factories moved to China n Mexico under Clinton. That's real wealth n capability. Usa looses wealth.

H1b is where production stays here in usa but people are imported to fill those positions. Biggest benefit most of those h1b work here, buy house ,here pay taxes here so almost all of wealth stays in usa.

During peak IT needs this made sense, but now with AI n not enough jobs do not need to bring more it related people here. Usa needs to improve education so it's cheaper n better. They stop h1b for IT.

KgK one says

Usa needs to improve education so it's cheaper n better.

True. That will be a tall order bringing back standards in both students and teachers and removing the entrenched "equity" and "woke."

Grok called it “rumors.” Others said “rare.”

But Walmart just fired a VP for kickbacks and terminated 1,200 contractors (CTOL Digital, 2025).

This doesn’t answer some questions about how the system works, it answers many. Shareholders were kept in the dark. Executives were on the take.

And what if this isn’t the exception at all... what if this is the model?

• What if the majority of H-1B contracting runs on kickbacks and insider deals?
• What if every “cost savings” pitch was just money shifted from shareholders to middlemen?
• What if the corruption is the system?

Here’s why this is just the beginning: USCIS has now launched a whistleblower program for H-1B fraud (U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, 2024). For the first time, insiders can report the schemes that everyone claimed “don’t exist.” VISA workers stuck in a corrupt system have recourse and this could dismantle the entire system..

If Walmart is the first domino to fall, how many more are lined up behind it?

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References
CTOL Digital. (2025, August 23). Walmart fires VP for kickbacks, terminates 1,200 contractors.
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

https://x.com/ChiefNiftyswell/status/1959551662537818494

https://x.com/AnnaGorisch/status/1961188471139451284

I like most of Elon's positions, but not his support for H1b to deprive Americans of wages and boost profits for himself.

India just thumbed its nose at Donnie's demand to stop buying Soviet oil. Time to start deporting Indian H1Bs - it'll get that Modi fuck's attention pronto.