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NuttBoxer
2023 Oct 30, 8:48am
NuttBoxer
2023 Oct 30, 8:48am
stereotomy says
If you have enough room to shoot an AR15 in your house, you can probably afford to hire some guards. These are country defense weapons, not home defense.
You misunderstand - I'm saying that if you have what would be a clear-cut case of self defense, like home invasion, the PRNY will put you through the legal wringer anyway just for you having the temerity to want to protect yourself.
If you have enough room to shoot an AR15 in your house, you can probably afford to hire some guards. These are country defense weapons, not home defense.
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GNL
2023 Oct 30, 11:25am
GNL
2023 Oct 30, 11:25am
RayAmerica says
More importantly, all you AR-15 owners need to ask yourself the question:
"Who needs to have 100 rounds in their chamber?"
What dumbshit said those words? Someone who doesn't know anything about guns, that's for sure.
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GNL
2023 Oct 30, 11:26am
GNL
2023 Oct 30, 11:26am
NuttBoxer says
The 9mm pistol.
GNL says
15 round mags
For which gun? If it's the AR this half standard capacity.
The 9mm pistol.
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GNL
2023 Oct 30, 11:27am
GNL
2023 Oct 30, 11:27am
NuttBoxer says
If an AR-15 is all you got, then yes, it is a home defense gun.
stereotomy says
You misunderstand - I'm saying that if you have what would be a clear-cut case of self defense, like home invasion, the PRNY will put you through the legal wringer anyway just for you having the temerity to want to protect yourself.
If you have enough room to shoot an AR15 in your house, you can probably afford to hire some guards. These are country defense weapons, not home defense.
If an AR-15 is all you got, then yes, it is a home defense gun.
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brazil66
2023 Oct 30, 12:01pm
GNL says
I saw a review on Pew Pew Tactical and some other site I can’t remember right now.
brazil66 says
They have a great selection of well-made AR platform rifles at good prices, but if (like me) you live in California, you can't buy them.
Just type "California compliant" in the search bar and watch how all the cool, featured rifles fall off your list!
How do you know they're well made?
I saw a review on Pew Pew Tactical and some other site I can’t remember right now.
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Bd6r
2023 Oct 30, 5:04pm
Bd6r
2023 Oct 30, 5:04pm
NuttBoxer says
I keep my long guns in a safe, just in case some moron breaks in while we are not home - he will have much harder time getting them. Safe is also fireproof, for the unlikely case that house catches fire. Pistol of course next to bed, but I do not need multiple pistols/revolvers lying around the house.
Also, I have X long guns and plan on eventually buying more. Should I leave them randomly lying around the house? I will forget where my k31 or Wincheter 94 or whatever else gun can be found. I think we had this discussion a while ago on a similar thread.
Bd6r says
My problem is that I have filled up the gun safe I bought in 2020. No more gun purchases until I buy new safe.
Why? I keep my pistol in the nightstand next to my bed, the shotgun under the bed, and the Robinson in the closet. My wife and kids all know how to use them, or are too young to be able to cock them.
I keep my long guns in a safe, just in case some moron breaks in while we are not home - he will have much harder time getting them. Safe is also fireproof, for the unlikely case that house catches fire. Pistol of course next to bed, but I do not need multiple pistols/revolvers lying around the house.
Also, I have X long guns and plan on eventually buying more. Should I leave them randomly lying around the house? I will forget where my k31 or Wincheter 94 or whatever else gun can be found. I think we had this discussion a while ago on a similar thread.
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GNL
2023 Oct 30, 6:27pm
GNL
2023 Oct 30, 6:27pm
I only have one gun out and ready to go. It's high up in the walk in closet. I can rack it quick with this...
Mount it under a shelf. It is magnetic and the gun will stick right to it. Rack with a one-handed push and it's ready to fire. Mount it high enough that a child cannot reach it. Maybe even better yet, mount it right above the front door? :)
Mount it under a shelf. It is magnetic and the gun will stick right to it. Rack with a one-handed push and it's ready to fire. Mount it high enough that a child cannot reach it. Maybe even better yet, mount it right above the front door? :)
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RWSGFY
2023 Oct 30, 7:50pm
RWSGFY
2023 Oct 30, 7:50pm
GNL says
Why racking is necessary? Why add complexity?
I only have one gun out and ready to go. It's high up in the walk in closet. I can rack it quick with this...
Mount it under a shelf. It is magnetic and the gun will stick right to it. Rack with a one-handed push and it's ready to fire. Mount it high enough that a child cannot reach it. Maybe even better yet, mount it right above the front door? :)
Why racking is necessary? Why add complexity?
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clambo
2023 Oct 30, 8:19pm
I just looked at the Palmetto armory website and they have a CZ75 BD for sale.
This is a superior gun, it's great.
This is a superior gun, it's great.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2023 Oct 31, 5:12am
RWSGFY says
children lack strength to rack usually
GNL says
I only have one gun out and ready to go. It's high up in the walk in closet. I can rack it quick with this...
Mount it under a shelf. It is magnetic and the gun will stick right to it. Rack with a one-handed push and it's ready to fire. Mount it high enough that a child cannot reach it. Maybe even better yet, mount it right above the front door? :)
Why racking is necessary? Why add complexity?
children lack strength to rack usually
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NuttBoxer
2023 Oct 31, 6:37am
NuttBoxer
2023 Oct 31, 6:37am
GNL says
Not a good one. Priority should be home defense before country defense.
If an AR-15 is all you got, then yes, it is a home defense gun.
Not a good one. Priority should be home defense before country defense.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Oct 31, 6:40am
NuttBoxer
2023 Oct 31, 6:40am
Bd6r says
9 doesn't have the stopping power. The only reason I still like my 9 is everyone in my house old enough can shoot it. My daughter was able to rack it when she was 11.
Kinda expensive but seems nice…anyone here has shot this?
9 doesn't have the stopping power. The only reason I still like my 9 is everyone in my house old enough can shoot it. My daughter was able to rack it when she was 11.
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GNL
2023 Oct 31, 7:22am
GNL
2023 Oct 31, 7:22am
The FBI did an extensive carry caliber study some years ago. They went with 9mm. My calibers are, for reasons of course, 22LR, 9mm, 12ga, 5.56 and 300WIN. I don't have a need for anything else.
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Bd6r
2023 Oct 31, 12:36pm
Bd6r
2023 Oct 31, 12:36pm
NuttBoxer says
Hollow point will have sufficient stopping power. 12 gauge will definitely have a better stopping power, but a womyn or a child will have trouble with recoil.
GNL says
I have 22LR, 22 short (for quiet fun), 9 mm, 12 ga, 30-30 win for a lever gun (fun to shoot!), and 308 Win.
And since I like old things, I have a Swedish mauser which shoots 6.5x55 - the best engineered gun and cartridge ever.
9 doesn't have the stopping power.
Hollow point will have sufficient stopping power. 12 gauge will definitely have a better stopping power, but a womyn or a child will have trouble with recoil.
GNL says
The FBI did an extensive carry caliber study some years ago. They went with 9mm. My calibers are, for reasons of course, 22LR, 9mm, 12ga, 5.56 and 300WIN. I don't have a need for anything else.
I have 22LR, 22 short (for quiet fun), 9 mm, 12 ga, 30-30 win for a lever gun (fun to shoot!), and 308 Win.
And since I like old things, I have a Swedish mauser which shoots 6.5x55 - the best engineered gun and cartridge ever.
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SunnyvaleCA
2023 Oct 31, 1:06pm
Bd6r says
For handguns, hollow point greatly improves stopping power against unarmored targets. Bullet breakup hopefully means you'll penetrate fewer walls consecutively — you're neighbors will appreciate that.
12 gauge gives you a whole lot of ammunition options. You could try "low recoil" configurations of #4 buck or #00 buck. Proper placement of the gun stock against the shoulder and experience also help greatly. Some people move to twenty gauge for reduced recoil, but recoil is mostly a feature of the load, not the gauge. Semiautomatic helps spread out the recoil over time, but then you lose the cost/simplicity/reliability of a slide action.
[9mm] Hollow point will have sufficient stopping power. 12 gauge will definitely have a better stopping power, but a womyn or a child will have trouble with recoil.
For handguns, hollow point greatly improves stopping power against unarmored targets. Bullet breakup hopefully means you'll penetrate fewer walls consecutively — you're neighbors will appreciate that.
12 gauge gives you a whole lot of ammunition options. You could try "low recoil" configurations of #4 buck or #00 buck. Proper placement of the gun stock against the shoulder and experience also help greatly. Some people move to twenty gauge for reduced recoil, but recoil is mostly a feature of the load, not the gauge. Semiautomatic helps spread out the recoil over time, but then you lose the cost/simplicity/reliability of a slide action.
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RWSGFY
2023 Nov 2, 5:43pm
RWSGFY
2023 Nov 2, 5:43pm
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
... until they find a way... oops!
RWSGFY says
GNL says
I only have one gun out and ready to go. It's high up in the walk in closet. I can rack it quick with this...
Mount it under a shelf. It is magnetic and the gun will stick right to it. Rack with a one-handed push and it's ready to fire. Mount it high enough that a child cannot reach it. Maybe even better yet, mount it right above the front door? :)
Why racking is necessary? Why add complexity?
children lack strength to rack usually
... until they find a way... oops!
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GNL
2023 Nov 2, 6:28pm
GNL
2023 Nov 2, 6:28pm
Definitely need to be careful javing guns in a house around kids. They are damn curious. Mine are in the master bedroom in the closet. I have a lock on the closet and kids are never allowed in the bedroom without an adult present.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Nov 3, 7:07am
NuttBoxer
2023 Nov 3, 7:07am
I have a pistol grip on my Mossberg. Stupid barrel laws means that's my only way of increasing maneuverability inside my house.
My four year old can't rack any of the guns in the house. Once she gets old enough to do that, she'll be taught how to shoot just like my older daughters. My teenager knows where all my guns are, and how to use them.
My four year old can't rack any of the guns in the house. Once she gets old enough to do that, she'll be taught how to shoot just like my older daughters. My teenager knows where all my guns are, and how to use them.
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RWSGFY
2023 Nov 3, 7:52am
RWSGFY
2023 Nov 3, 7:52am
Guns are hard or impossible to cock or fire with little toddler hands when held properly. They are much easier to cock when held in some creative ways which often include pointing the muzzle right into one's face. But hey, everybody makes his own bed to sleep in.
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GNL
2023 Nov 3, 8:52am
GNL
2023 Nov 3, 8:52am
Best to keep a readily available gun, for defense purposes, up high with an empty chamber imo. Yes, teach your kids about guns at the appropriate age.
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GNL
2023 Nov 3, 8:56am
GNL
2023 Nov 3, 8:56am
NuttBoxer says
It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 guage shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.
I have a pistol grip on my Mossberg. Stupid barrel laws means that's my only way of increasing maneuverability inside my house.
It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 guage shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.
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SunnyvaleCA
2023 Nov 3, 12:11pm
Bd6r says
Some videos on the YouTubes address having a pistol grip on a shotgun. The general consensus is that there's not much advantage and some distinct downsides. You can still shoot from the hip with a full-sized stock, but you can't take carefully-aimed shoulder shots with a pistol grip.
NuttBoxer says
I have a pistol grip on my Mossberg.
Have you shot it? I suspect it is inconvenient.
Some videos on the YouTubes address having a pistol grip on a shotgun. The general consensus is that there's not much advantage and some distinct downsides. You can still shoot from the hip with a full-sized stock, but you can't take carefully-aimed shoulder shots with a pistol grip.
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SunnyvaleCA
2023 Nov 3, 12:23pm
GNL says
You might be thinking of shotgun gauge 410 (which uses a different measuring system than the standard "gauge" designation). The shells are underpowered for hitting big game (or people). By the time you get 9 or more pellets, you're in birdshot range. Handguns chambered in 45 Long Colt can accept these shells. But for self-defense, you'll want the use 45 instead, which basically gives you the power of a slug. See https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/best-410-handguns/ .
20-gauge with buckshot is definitely effective, but I can't imagine trying to handle the recoil in a handgun.
It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 gauge shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.
You might be thinking of shotgun gauge 410 (which uses a different measuring system than the standard "gauge" designation). The shells are underpowered for hitting big game (or people). By the time you get 9 or more pellets, you're in birdshot range. Handguns chambered in 45 Long Colt can accept these shells. But for self-defense, you'll want the use 45 instead, which basically gives you the power of a slug. See https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/best-410-handguns/ .
20-gauge with buckshot is definitely effective, but I can't imagine trying to handle the recoil in a handgun.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Nov 3, 1:10pm
NuttBoxer
2023 Nov 3, 1:10pm
GNL says
There's a revolver called The Judge, don't remember the gauge. Used to be carried by judges under their robe.
It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 guage shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.
There's a revolver called The Judge, don't remember the gauge. Used to be carried by judges under their robe.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Nov 3, 1:13pm
NuttBoxer
2023 Nov 3, 1:13pm
SunnyvaleCA says
It's a shotgun, doesn't require much accuracy at the range you shoot from indoors. But most times the sound of the slide should be all you need.
Some videos on the YouTubes address having a pistol grip on a shotgun. The general consensus is that there's not much advantage and some distinct downsides. You can still shoot from the hip with a full-sized stock, but you can't take carefully-aimed shoulder shots with a pistol grip.
It's a shotgun, doesn't require much accuracy at the range you shoot from indoors. But most times the sound of the slide should be all you need.
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GNL
2023 Nov 3, 6:07pm
GNL
2023 Nov 3, 6:07pm
SunnyvaleCA says
Yes, thanks for the correction. You're saying 410 won't deter an intruder?
GNL says
It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 gauge shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.
You might be thinking of shotgun gauge 410 (which uses a different measuring system than the standard "gauge" designation). The shells are underpowered for hitting big game (or people). By the time you get 9 or more pellets, you're in birdshot range. Handguns chambered in 45 Long Colt can accept these shells. But for self-defense, you'll want the use 45 instead, which basically gives you the power of a slug. See https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/best-410-handguns/ .
20-gauge with buckshot is definitely effective, but I can't imagine trying to handle the recoil in a handgun.
Yes, thanks for the correction. You're saying 410 won't deter an intruder?
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2023 Nov 3, 8:32pm
GNL says
i taught mine just how to use them, so i didn’t have to worry about curiosity. they pretty much ignore them unless we go to hunt or shoot. this strategy worked well, i recommend it.
Definitely need to be careful javing guns in a house around kids. They are damn curious. Mine are in the master bedroom in the closet. I have a lock on the closet and kids are never allowed in the bedroom without an adult present.
i taught mine just how to use them, so i didn’t have to worry about curiosity. they pretty much ignore them unless we go to hunt or shoot. this strategy worked well, i recommend it.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Nov 3, 9:00pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Nov 3, 9:00pm
GNL says
410 for home defense with meat target (layer of pork muscle/skin "steak", layer of pork ribs, then grapefruit to simulate lung/heart tissue, all under leather jacket with cotton lining)
https://youtu.be/BQD77feU-rY?si=f1Ply73HBHjRvnI8&t=683
#6 lead birdshot from a 410 at 5yds is at 14:17 in the above video.
Paul Harrel has a video on #4 birdshot from a 20ga
https://youtu.be/HF5N5tfMuX4?si=c2gzEYJv20nZlt0C&t=474
Here's why birdshot is not crazy for home defense - Drywall and Sheetrock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1EVybUgc
Hornady Critical Defense (with slug and buckshot) sucks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suhpsBnkhBY
I have a Bond Arms .45LC/410ga myself.
Yes, thanks for the correction. You're saying 410 won't deter an intruder?
410 for home defense with meat target (layer of pork muscle/skin "steak", layer of pork ribs, then grapefruit to simulate lung/heart tissue, all under leather jacket with cotton lining)
https://youtu.be/BQD77feU-rY?si=f1Ply73HBHjRvnI8&t=683
#6 lead birdshot from a 410 at 5yds is at 14:17 in the above video.
Paul Harrel has a video on #4 birdshot from a 20ga
https://youtu.be/HF5N5tfMuX4?si=c2gzEYJv20nZlt0C&t=474
Here's why birdshot is not crazy for home defense - Drywall and Sheetrock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1EVybUgc
Hornady Critical Defense (with slug and buckshot) sucks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suhpsBnkhBY
I have a Bond Arms .45LC/410ga myself.
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GNL
2023 Nov 3, 9:20pm
GNL
2023 Nov 3, 9:20pm
AmericanKulak says
Comment from video...
"I’m a 73 yr. old Nam vet. I preferred the 410 for home defense because at my age a 12 gauge is just too big and unwieldy for my purposes. Also the low recoil of a 410 is easier on my arthritic wrists and I use the Winchester defender rounds in it with four discs and sixteen BB’s. And if those don’t take the target out in an average sized room nothing will. Great video by the way and thanks for the info."
Btw, love Paul Harrell.
410 for home defense with meat target (layer of pork muscle/skin "steak", layer of pork ribs, then grapefruit to simulate lung/heart tissue, all under leather jacket with cotton lining)
https://youtu.be/BQD77feU-rY?si=f1Ply73HBHjRvnI8&t=683
Comment from video...
"I’m a 73 yr. old Nam vet. I preferred the 410 for home defense because at my age a 12 gauge is just too big and unwieldy for my purposes. Also the low recoil of a 410 is easier on my arthritic wrists and I use the Winchester defender rounds in it with four discs and sixteen BB’s. And if those don’t take the target out in an average sized room nothing will. Great video by the way and thanks for the info."
Btw, love Paul Harrell.
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just_passing_through
2023 Nov 4, 8:07am
just_passing_through
2023 Nov 4, 8:07am
GNL says
When I was in the 5th grade a kid from my soccer team, Johnny, went into his dad's closet to get a rag to clean with and found a gun. He thought it was unloaded and went into his 3rd grade brother's room, Philip, and blew him away. Philip did live long enough to let others know it was an accident.
Johnny just sat on a park bend in Vacaville's North Orchard Park by himself a lot after that but that's the last I know of him as we'd moved to Texas from CA recently and I actually learned about it from a letter my pal wrote me in pencil. I think I still have it around somewhere. Guy who wrote the letter soon after became schizophrenic along with is older brother.
Messed up small town for sure. So many stories from that place.
Definitely need to be careful javing guns in a house around kids. They are damn curious. Mine are in the master bedroom in the closet. I have a lock on the closet and kids are never allowed in the bedroom without an adult present.
When I was in the 5th grade a kid from my soccer team, Johnny, went into his dad's closet to get a rag to clean with and found a gun. He thought it was unloaded and went into his 3rd grade brother's room, Philip, and blew him away. Philip did live long enough to let others know it was an accident.
Johnny just sat on a park bend in Vacaville's North Orchard Park by himself a lot after that but that's the last I know of him as we'd moved to Texas from CA recently and I actually learned about it from a letter my pal wrote me in pencil. I think I still have it around somewhere. Guy who wrote the letter soon after became schizophrenic along with is older brother.
Messed up small town for sure. So many stories from that place.
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AD
2023 Nov 4, 8:12am
AD
2023 Nov 4, 8:12am
Even a 22LR may ward off an intruder as they are looking for unarmed victims or a home that is not occupied. One shot from a 22LR may be enough.
Heritage Firearms (I think made in Miami, FL) makes a 22LR revolver for around $125 and it is loud when fired off. 22LR does come in hollow point on Ammo Seek website.
Look at how the Rooftop Koreans were able to protect property and lives without killing anyone in the LA Riots of the early 1990s.
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Heritage Firearms (I think made in Miami, FL) makes a 22LR revolver for around $125 and it is loud when fired off. 22LR does come in hollow point on Ammo Seek website.
Look at how the Rooftop Koreans were able to protect property and lives without killing anyone in the LA Riots of the early 1990s.
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Bd6r
2023 Nov 4, 10:49am
Bd6r
2023 Nov 4, 10:49am
ad says
22 LR hollow point does not expand well in my experience. But for shooting an intruder 22LR is perfectly fine, of course.
22LR does come in hollow point on Ammo Seek website.
22 LR hollow point does not expand well in my experience. But for shooting an intruder 22LR is perfectly fine, of course.
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just_passing_through
2023 Nov 4, 11:02am
just_passing_through
2023 Nov 4, 11:02am
I've been building a boogie sig p365. Internals are sig but lower is Icarus Precision and slide is Shalotek. Just got back from Maui and am about to complete it with a red dot and stock sights for co-witness...
Will be for carrying...
Considering replacing the spring in my slide for magGuts for an extra 2 rounds.
I copied and pasted over most of the serial number but you can still see a bit of gold where it's printed.
Racks so much easier than my glock 17. You barely pull it maybe 1/2 inch and it loads a round.
Will be for carrying...
Considering replacing the spring in my slide for magGuts for an extra 2 rounds.
I copied and pasted over most of the serial number but you can still see a bit of gold where it's printed.
Racks so much easier than my glock 17. You barely pull it maybe 1/2 inch and it loads a round.
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GNL
2023 Nov 4, 1:42pm
GNL
2023 Nov 4, 1:42pm
Does anyone know the law regarding making a safety inoperable? For instance, if a handgun has a grip safety, is it illegal to tape the safety tight to the grip as if it is being palm depressed?
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RWSGFY
2023 Nov 4, 1:48pm
RWSGFY
2023 Nov 4, 1:48pm
GNL says
It's your gun - you can do whatever you like with it as long as it doesn't turn into something more strictly regulated - MG, SBR, etc. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting safety removal. Hey, some guns don't have any safeties at all.
Does anyone know the law regarding making a safety inoperable? For instance, if a handgun has a grip safety, is it illegal to tape the safety tight to the grip as if it is being palm depressed?
It's your gun - you can do whatever you like with it as long as it doesn't turn into something more strictly regulated - MG, SBR, etc. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting safety removal. Hey, some guns don't have any safeties at all.
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just_passing_through
2023 Nov 4, 4:32pm
just_passing_through
2023 Nov 4, 4:32pm
RWSGFY says
Correct. No safety on that gun above I'm putting together but if I'd wanted one that's an option.
It's your gun - you can do whatever you like with it as long as it doesn't turn into something more strictly regulated - MG, SBR, etc. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting safety removal. Hey, some guns don't have any safeties at all.
Correct. No safety on that gun above I'm putting together but if I'd wanted one that's an option.
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First question to kick it off: Has anyone bought a Palmetto State Armory gun? If so, was the quality good? If you had any issues, did PSA stand behind it? As in, did they fix the problem? They have some decent package deals. An AR-15 and a 9MM with 4 15 round mags for $829.00 is a pretty good deal if they work great. I paid about that much for one of my ARs alone.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa-15-16-nitride-m4-carbine-5-56-nato-moe-rifle-odg-psa-dagger-compact-swr-9mm-pistol-sniper-green.html