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https://der-fuehrer.org/meinkampf/english/Mein%20Kampf%20(Ford%20Translation).pdf

I have the chapter and verse on where Hitler, using the Northern Crusades, Czar Catherine, etc. talks about the need for Germanic overlordship of the Slavs as their Master Race over them, somewhere else on this forum.

Mein Kampf is great, Hitler lays all his plans out. Anybody who reads it can't deny he started aggressive wars for land, he takes every objection to the "need" for Germany to have more land down piece by piece. Internal Development is a Jewish Swindle, the British Empire won't Collapse either in India or Egypt, Germans themselves have been disinterested in colonizing overseas in Africa and prefer Temperate Climes, etc.

Germany must either expand in the East, or be destroyed.

What is that line where he actually says "master race"? I'd like to reply to that Quora comment.

Patrick says

What is that line where he actually says "master race"? I'd like to reply to that Quora comment.

There is no one line or phrase AFAIK. There's a part where he talks in several pages about the various times Germanics ruled over Slavs: Swedes over Poland, some of the Czars were Germans, Tuetonic Order, etc. and contrasts that with the Slavs under Jewish Bolshevist Rule, and says the latter must be cured by the former.

He also talks about being a servitor race to countries with Big Clay and that is the German Destiny unless the Germans take more Clay. That I read today, I think it was in pg 460ish.

I'd find it for you, but Patrick.net ain't easy to search and it might have been a tangent argument on another thread. It was a few months ago where I quoted Chapter and Verse on at least some of these claims.

Mein Kampf was allegedly ghost written by Jesuits.

If you want to tread the outer Woo, Hitler's Nordic psychosis was cultivated through various mystical contacts with the so-called 'Nordic' aliens, who supposedly intermingled their genetics with the Northern honky peoples. I guess Hitler thought the Slavs sucked hind tit when it came to Nordic genetics.

AmericanKulak says

There is no one line or phrase AFAIK.

I guess that's all I'm looking for.

Just trying to establish that Hitler never actually used the word "Herrenvolk".

Note that I'm not saying that the Nazis were good. They did commit mass murder against various non-German groups, not just Jews. They killed something like 2 million ethnic Poles too, and that somehow never even merits a mention in US schools.

I think the conventional view of WWII is not quite correct.

Patrick says

Just trying to establish that Hitler never actually used the word "Herrenvolk".

Why are you trying to disprove something? You can never do that, however you can prove something is true.

Patrick says

I think the conventional view of WWII is not quite correct.

In what way?

There is also Übermensch/Untermensch word pair...

Patrick says

Note that I'm not saying that the Nazis were good. They did commit mass murder against various non-German groups, not just Jews. They killed something like 2 million ethnic Poles too, and that somehow never even merits a mention in US schools.

I think the conventional view of WWII is not quite correct.

This is a major problem. Poles and Eastern POWs were killed in the millions, either outright or in labor camps, as well as in reprisals.

The overfocus on Jews conceals the Overarching Collectivist Tyranny.

Then of course, the joy of liberated Russian POWs being sent to labor camps in Siberia by Stalin after the war.

Patrick says

I think the conventional view of WWII is not quite correct.

The victors write the history.

Onvacation says

The victors write the history.

Sometimes.

Sometimes the losers whinge their way back in control of mainstream history.

Civil War History from 1900-1950s, The 1619 Project, Muh Respective Socialist Mustache Man wasn't that bad, Hindutva and/or the British caused the Breakup of India (when it was Jinnah and Muslims), When My Religion was totally dominant things were an Agrarian Peaceful Utopia, or the opposite The Monks wandered Europe just burning books for fun, collecting indulgences, drinking wine and chasing whores, and there was no economic or tech growth/rediscovery, etc. etc.

I gotta do a post on demoralization and destabilization. It's a multi-pronged effort, with the Landowners, the Bureaucracy, the Losers, and the Foreign Interests all taking a turn at pecking at the Conan the American crucified on the Tree of Woe.

Does it matter if Hitler used a precise phrase ? Social-Darwinism at the time was accepted as scientific fact. Inthe history of humankind was marked by the constant, ruthless struggle of various civilizations for preeminence. According to him, racial purity was the most important precondition for victory, whereas racial mixing, especially with Jews, weakened a people internally and doomed it to certain destruction.” Every racial crossing leads inevitably sooner or later to the decline of the hybrid product as long as the higher element of this crossing is itself still existent in any kind of racial unity. The danger for the hybrid product is eliminated only at the moment when the last higher racial element is bastardized.” -Adolfo Hitler in a speech on Blood and Land “We may be inhumane, but if we rescue Germany we have achieved the greatest deed in the world. We may work injustice, but if we rescue Germany then we have removed the greatest injustice in the world. We may be immoral, but if our people are rescued we have opened the way for morality.” For Hitler, strength came not from diversity but rather from protecting and cultivating the one superior race over all the others. He and other Nazi theorists identified the Aryans as this Herrenvolk, or master race. To justify this claim they created the Aryan Myth. In July 1933 the racial purity act became law “In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet, and have usually been ridiculed for it. During the time of my struggle for power it was in the first instance the Jewish race which only received my prophecies with laughter when I said that I would one day take over the leadership of the State, and . . . that I would then among many other things settle the Jewish problem” Adolf Hitler in answer to world leaders criticizing treatment of Jews Hitler gave a speech promoting Blood and Land (see Darre) In connection with the Jewish question I have this to say: it is a shameful spectacle to see how the whole democratic world is oozing sympathy for the poor tormented Jewish people, but remains hard-hearted and obdurate when it comes to helping them which is surely, in view of its attitude, an obvious duty. . . . For this is what they say:

“We,” that is the democracies, “are not in a position to take in the Jews.” Yet in these empires there are not 10 people to the square kilometer. While Germany, with her 135 inhabitants to the square kilometer, is supposed to have room for them!. See social Darwinism and Hitler for more on the Aryan race superiority Adolf Hitler, the leader of the Nazi Party, argued that the Germans was superior to all other races. Hitler became obsessed with 'racial purity' and used the word 'Aryan' to describe his idea of a 'pure German race' or Herrenvolk. The 'Aryan race' had a duty to control the world. https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/how-did-nazis-construct-aryan-identity

AmericanKulak says

Then of course, the joy of liberated Russian POWs being sent to labor camps in Siberia by Stalin after the war.

Not just Russian. Soviets had many peoples under their yoke: Russian, Ukrainian, Belorus, Uzbek, Kazakh, Tatar, etc.

Fun fact: only 7% of territory of Russia (RSFSR) was touched by the WWII and mostly briefly, whereas Ukraine, Belarus and Baltic states were fully occupied for 3 years and had the front roll through them twice. So whenefer that Puking fuck rolls out how "Russia has suffered in WW2" (and therefore must be given free pass to do any war crime it wants now, which is a weird premise anyway) it's not Russians per se who endured the most suffering there.

Eric Holder says

Fun fact: only 7% of territory of Russia (RSFSR) was touched by the WWII and mostly briefly

Stalingrad was "touched briefly?" Saying only 7% of Russia proper was touched by WW2 because of the massive Asian landmass is like saying a nuke attack on NY, Washington DC, and Chicago "touched less than 1% of the US landmass."

HeadSet says

Eric Holder says

Fun fact: only 7% of territory of Russia (RSFSR) was touched by the WWII and mostly briefly

Stalingrad was "touched briefly?" Saying only 7% of Russia proper was touched by WW2 because of the massive Asian landmass is like saying a nuke attack on NY, Washington DC, and Chicago "touched less than 1% of the US landmass."

That would improve the country over-night.

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_Address_to_the_Reichstag_(30_January_1939)

I think it’s significant. Nice to know, the same way the phrase “Play it again, Sam” never was uttered in Casablanca, nor was “Beam me up, Scotty” in the original Star Trek series. And while we’re at it, in the Gospels, Jesus never claimed he was the “Son of God.”

richwicks says

Why are you trying to disprove something? You can never do that, however you can prove something is true.

I think all of Hitler's speeches and writings are available, outside of Germany, where they are illegal. Just looking for a scan of everything he said. Should be easy in theory.

Eric Holder says

Patrick says

I think the conventional view of WWII is not quite correct.

In what way?

Lots of details that we learn over here are exaggerated, and others are omitted, like the Poles killed by the Nazis, or the stupendous losses of the Russians in WWII. People think Dachau was an extermination camp, but it wasn't. It was very harsh and many people died (including a Polish relative of mine) but it was not like Auschwitz. When I studied in Munich, I visited Dachau twice. People were disappointed to find it had been torn down after the war, and then parts rebuilt for tourists, many of them American Jews. They are disappointed that there were not gas chambers there.

Eric Holder says

There is also Übermensch/Untermensch word pair...

Right, were those ever used by Hitler? I'm not sure.

AmericanKulak says

Then of course, the joy of liberated Russian POWs being sent to labor camps in Siberia by Stalin after the war.

I didn't know this. Why would Stalin do that?

We also don't learn about the many Germans held by the Russians long after the war. Or that ethnic Germans were pushed out of Poland after the war, with many of them killed.

latitude38 says

Does it matter if Hitler used a precise phrase ?

Yes, absolutely! It is "common knowledge" that Hitler used that phrase, so if it's wrong, it's very wrong.

Patrick says

latitude38 says

Does it matter if Hitler used a precise phrase ?

Yes, absolutely! It is "common knowledge" that Hitler used that phrase, so if it's wrong, it's very wrong.

“All who are not of a good race are chaff”. found this as a
translation.

Can you find the original? I speak German pretty well.

I have read dozens of books on WW II. Several books regarding WW II history that, IMO, are must reads:

1. Freedom Betrayed: the Secret History of World War II and Beyond by former President Hebert Hoover Purposely withheld from publication for 50 years after Hoover's death. Gathered from his numerous sources as a former President, its contents are explosive. It's a tome of, as I recall, over 900 pages, but it's a page turner! The inside, true story of how FDR really did load up his administration with Communists that were agents of the Soviet Union ... the 'real' victors of WW II.

2. Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World by Patrick J. Buchanan This is a masterful work. I've read literally dozens of books on WW II, regarding its causes and aftermaths. I consider this one book essential reading. Covers extensively what led up to the outbreak of a war that easily could have been avoided, along with the other unnecessary war, WW I. The impunitive policies against the vanquished Germany virtually guaranteed its financial and industrial ruin, along with the rise of the Dictator Hitler.

3. Hitler's War and the Warpath by David Irving. (available for free PDF download from his website) Irving studied the war archives of Germany in order to search for the truth. A controversial writer, he was once considered to be among Britain's best historians, that is, until he began to write about the other side's historical perspective.

4. The Origins of the Second World War by A.J.P Taylor A classic that 'goes against the grain' of what we've been taught to believe. Lays the blame of the war, through documentation, among the allies and Germany alike.

Regarding Hitler:

One thing many people fail realize is that, although Hitler was a dictator, he was a terrible administrator. He set up a system of government in which there were many 'little dictators,' in particular, the Gauleiters. The Gauleiters were extremely powerful regional leaders of the Nazi Party that were answerable only to the *Reichsleiter and to Hitler. Being that Hitler was quite lazy, he basically allowed the system to run itself. The point I'm making is this; Hitler did not have complete control over the maze that was the Nazi government. Many that served under Hitler were crude, corrupt, evil brutes that carried out policies that Hitler himself may have only been casually aware of. In short, Hitler was an ideologue that attracted many that were the dregs of German society. Once they gained power, the brutality began and scores were settled. Not the kind of system that any right minded individual would want to live under. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great Men are almost always bad men ..." - Lord Acton

*Answerable only to Hitler. There were 22 Reichsleiters that reported to Hitler, among them, Heinrich Himmler, Rudolph Hess, Joesph Goebbels, Martin Bormann, Alfred Rosenberg, etc. Hitler's government was thoroughly corrupt ... and evil. Don't be fooled by the whimsical meanderings of Mein Kampf.