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Bd6r says

Eric Holder says

PPS. BTW, I remember we used to have a thread on his last year's open letter but I can't find it on the site anymore. Censored?

Tis???

https://patrick.net/post/1343609/2022-02-08-interesting-development-in-russian

Looks like it. I was sure it had general's name in it but apparently it doesn't. So no censorship on p.net, thanks God.

Bd6r says

Eric Holder says

Retired army colonel-general Leonid Ivashov

A SOROS STOOGE! PLANT BY VICTORIA NULAND!!! OR CGI???

ALL OF THE ABOVE!!!!

Why do you care what some general says about Russia? Is that your home country by ancestry or something? If you're an American, shouldn't you care more about our so called president visiting a foreign country instead of Ohio? I just don't get the angle here? To wallow in the misery of war..?

cisTits says

So
The
Fuck
What?

Is that the BEST that you can do, Eric Holder?

An accurate prediction. Not a small thing nowadays. Better than 99% of the crap in our very own dedicated thread (and elsewhere on the site). Everything the guy predicted came true (except for Turkey jumping in). Doesn't get better than that.

cisTits says

RWSGFY says

An accurate prediction

No it isn't.

Bah, did we read the same article? Predicted an actual long attritional war instead of SCHMO - check. Casualties in tens and hundreds of thousands on both sides - check. NATO consolidating - check. And so on and so forth.

And he did it at the time the consensus everywhere was that the war will be swift and there might or might not be an insurgency. All the "experts" were really disagreeing about was whether the initial pre-insurgency phase would last 48 or 72 hours.

Nobody did better analysis on what was going to happen than these 2 CCCP officers - General Ivashov and Colonel Khodarenok. That includes both our "intelligence agencies" and CCCP's GRU/FSB.

So, Russia has Globalists, oligarchs and sundry opportunists whose wagons are just as hitched to Ukrainian corruption and criminal enterprises as Biden Actor et alia. One would expect them to shriek with agitprop.

It's not Russia that is becoming isolated. It is the insane, Satanist lying West (foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC, EU, City of London, NATO, BIS, Swiss Octagon etc. etc.)that through programmed treachery has isolated itself from the rest of the World that is sick of it all.

Waiting for Rich Wicks to comment.

Russia never put forth max effort. Look at their convoys to Kiev. Most were Russian reservist and national guard with antiquated equipment and limited training.

I don't think it would have mattered much, cause I see the Ukrainian resistance still ongoing if the convoy ended up in Kiev.

Most of Ukraine east of Dnipro are more anti Russian after the Russians invaded. Its a war for the hearts and minds of Ukrainians living east of Dniprio. Look at towns along the Dnipro and they don't have the enthusiasm for the Russian government as the border towns in Dombas.

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feels like im reading state department propaganda. nothing about this war makes sense. neither did 20 fucking years in Iraq, other than same faggots at the state department playing same playbook.

Eric Holder says

I did not think that we would not have a single ally that has serious influence on the political, economic or military-technical level.'

China...

Eric Holder says

'Russia in such a picture of the world is not mentioned at all as a political player,'

Countries still import Russian oil, gas, and wheat. Russia is constantly in the news, they just nuked their last existing arms treaty with the US. Seems like they are still very much political players.

Eric Holder says

Putin's disastrous invasion of Ukraine had 'saved NATO' with Finland and Sweden due to join, he continued. 'We have delivered the whole of Europe into the hands of the Americans…' due to Putin's ineptness.

Most people are against this war, and giving aid to Ukraine, across the sea and here in the US. Turkey is not in favor of the additions, and NATO is gaining WEF fame for their war-mongering. And to be fair, the US delivered Europe into America's hands(Nord stream)...

Eric Holder says

'There was no Collective West before, there were a lot of contradictions there. And today we are creating this Collective West with our own hands.'

See above. People in Europe aren't too happy about higher energy prices being attributed to this war, and US citizen support for involvement in Europe is probably the lowest it's ever been.

This mostly sounds like sour grapes. The one thing it definitely does NOT sound like is support for Russian or Ukraine citizens who are dying, for moving towards peace. Everyone's so busy hating, they have no time for the suffering of the people.

Satisfied warhawks? This fucking blood is on your hands too, you fucking arm-chair butchers.

"Let sleeping dogs lie."
Putin was stupid and kicked the NATO dog.
He forgot that NATO and the USA prepared for this war for more than 50 years.
Now Russia is fucked.
Russia cannot hope to compete against Western weapons and tactics; it's like Fred Flintstone vs Ironman.
It's too bad for the ever suffering Russians; they're going back in time now.

No matter how much anyone hates Putin. They must realize, they picked the wrong President to put up against him.
Anyone trusts this administration in the face of a full out international nuclear war, needs their heads examined.

> No matter how much anyone hates Putin. They must realize, they picked the wrong President to put up against him.

No, they put exactly who they wanted.

A corrupt, career swamprat who was severely compromised to begin with, and has a dumbass son who is a huge liability. That sort of "president" will be 100% malleable, and will allow the unelected PNAC foreign-agents who control the state department to dictate whatever Ukraine policy they want.

ad says

Waiting for Rich Wicks to comment.

Keep waiting.

I don't see why all this bullshit matters. I know my government lies. It's not above them to either recruit a general in Russia or just make one up.

Bana al-Abed was that 7 year old kid in Aleppo, she had a "verified account". Well, she might be a real human, but there's no fucking way she was sending out Twitter messages from Aleppo. There's NO QUESTION for me about this. I worked on Internet infrastructure, if you can't get water or electricity, the cell phone system and the Internet won't work. They are FAR more fragile.

The results of this stupid fucking war will be the results, and what anybody thinks of it, won't change it.

I just regard this as another tragedy created by the same group of sociopathic assholes that have kept us in continual war, that hasn't profited the United States, for over 20 years.

Russia will achieve their mission goals, and Ukraine might be a destroyed country. I think Russia has ALREADY achieved most of its mission goals, and now it's just a question if an entire generation of Ukrainian men are going to be wiped out. But who knows? We'll know when the war is over.

clambo says

Russia cannot hope to compete against Western weapons and tactics; it's like Fred Flintstone vs Ironman.

The US hasn't really won a war in the last 20 fucking years. Iraq, KIND OF, but it's staffed with mercenaries now and the entire nation isn't under US control.

Ukraine has already lost.

The US and NATO have lost too, pushing China and Russia into an even closer alliance.

There's something pathological with people pushing this war.

RedStar says

There's something pathological with people pushing this war.

I don't know why anybody never thinks "maybe these assholes are a 5th column" - they sure seem to be. All our wars in the last 23 years, have harmed this country.

A lot of the motivation is neo-marxist wokeism as the national security bureaucracy loathes Russia for turning its back to socialism and not promoting woke ideals like transgender indoctrination in the public schools.

Also it does not help Russia is a white Christian nation. Putin knows this and he is leveraging this cultural war to appeal to his population.

Whereas the same neo-marxists give free passes to the Chicoms as much as the FBI gives free passes to AntiFa and Hunter Biden.

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I watch a lot of Youtube over the years, I like to watch videos about fabricators, travelers, and Science videos.
They are from all over the world. My Commie Radar is calibrated pretty sensitive. I catch propaganda overtones from every promoted content creator, but never have suspected any Russian video of carrying any Woke or Communist narrative. There's that Guy from the UK Bald and Bankrupt that tours neighborhoods around the world. He was doing most of his videos in Russia before the conflict. Now that idiot, is a card carrying Commie he is smitten with everything Soviet, and makes a point to say Soviet era, once every 5 minutes. When he tries to interview locals about the Soviet era bus stop with the real soviet mosaics. The local, is like dude fuck that shit, it's ugly from an ugly period a long time ago. He looks like he wants to go full REEEE on them for saying that.

So take that for what it's worth.

richwicks says

Russia will achieve their mission goals, and Ukraine might be a destroyed country. I think Russia has ALREADY achieved most of its mission goals, and now it's just a question if an entire generation of Ukrainian men are going to be wiped out. But who knows? We'll know when the war is over.

Lavrov has said Ukraine needs a "regime change". I am not sure what that entails other than another Kremlin stooge or puppet like Viktor Yanukovych.

And it seems like "regime change" means having to strong arm the Ukrainian people and enforce martial law.

It may take many years to grind down the Ukrainian population to submit to the Kremlin, if the Kremlin does not commit genocide.

Various Woo think that undeclared negotiations have already settled on Ukrainian partition in principle if not in details. This is supposedly why Russia has been soft shoeing the war without more manifest destruction and aggression, which the Ukraine denialists like to interpret as weakness and defeat.

The West want their crime operations burned down with nuclear decisiveness to hide the evidence and the history. If they can't use Ukraine as an ongoing criminal enterprise, time to torch the shop. Lucky Ukrainians caught in the criminal crossfire.

Ceffer says

Various Woo think that undeclared negotiations have already settled on Ukrainian partition in principle if not in details.

Yeah, it seems like a slow march toward a stalemate where Russia controls eastern Ukraine regions like Dombas (which they technically did before their invasion) and continue annexation or ownership of Crimea.

It is a way to slowly let the air out of the war-drumming balloon, as well as slowly calibrate expectations and attitudes that will lead to at least a stalemate and Russian control over parts of eastern Ukraine.

But I'm not sure how much likelihood they'll effectively control eastern regions like Kherson and Kharkiv :

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/russia-launches-new-airstrikes-on-southern-ukrainian-city-of-kherson-killing-six-civilians/

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3673416-enemy-attacks-kharkiv-with-s300-missiles.html

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Tenpoundbass says

No matter how much anyone hates Putin. They must realize, they picked the wrong President to put up against him.

No - Biden makes no decisions. He reads from a teleprompter and shits his pants. He's not president, he doesn't have any control over anything. He's a figurehead. He may as well be a wax dummy or a CGI construct.

We have no idea who runs the nation right now. Probalby PNAC.

richwicks says

No - Biden makes no decisions. He reads from a teleprompter and shits his pants. He's not president, he doesn't have any control over anything. He's a figurehead. He may as well be a wax dummy or a CGI construct.

Neo marxists and wokes in his administration are in charge and the decision makers.

Birdbrain Biden is just happy that his lifelong dream of becoming President was achieved (via mail in ballot shenanigans in Atlanta, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Detroit and Philadelphia).

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ad says

Neo marxists and wokes in his administration are in charge and the decision makers.

I think this is a distraction. If they were really trying to accomplish anything, they would be hiring non-binary luggage thieves and transgendered "women" for the administration. These people are tokens, figureheads just like Biden is. The people placing these people into (nominal) power don't care about competence, it's something to get the population bitching about, while real crimes are being done.

ad says

Birdbrain Biden is just happy that his lifelong dream of becoming President was achieved (via mail in ballot shenanigans in Atlanta, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Detroit and Philadelphia).

The only reason he's there is that he had some obligation to fulfill. Who the fuck would want to be president? He was already above the law, and now there's scrutiny on him. I doubt he wanted this fake position.

ad says

Yeah, it seems like a slow march toward a stalemate where Russia controls eastern Ukraine regions like Dombas (which they technically did before their invasion) and continue annexation or ownership of Crimea.

That's it?

All this death, destruction and humiliation of the Russian military for something they technically had before? Now most of the land is a smoking ruin along with Russia's standing in the world. Not to mention an expanded and more united NATO.

What a fucking waste of life and treasure all caused by Putin.

socal2 says

Now most of the land is a smoking ruin

I think since the Ukrainians east of Dnipro did not help the Kremlin after its invasion, then the Kremlin is just pushing them out and killing off the remainder dissenters to create a barren land. It gives them a few extra hundred miles of buffer land east of the Russian border.

The more barren and less populous then the easier it is for the Kremlin to control. I think the Kremlin has given up on winning over most of the Ukrainian population.

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North
American
Troops
Only.

I wonder if RedStar works at a Russian troll farm.

socal2 says

All this death, destruction and humiliation of the Russian military for something they technically had before? Now most of the land is a smoking ruin along with Russia's standing in the world. Not to mention an expanded and more united NATO.

What a fucking waste of life and treasure all caused by Putin.

Russia's standing with India, China and Africa are just fine. That's more than 1/2 the world.

East Ukraine has a lot of Ukraine productive land, as well as resources.

I don't know what "standing" has to do with anything. Does the US have a good standing with the rest of the world for bringing back slavery to Libya and opening up the floodgates of rapefugees into Europe? Does the US have a good standing with the rest of the world for lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? How's the US standing for killing 250,000 (estimated - by the UN - so who knows?) children in Yemen and Somalia?

I don't think the US has any friends at this point, it's just a bunch of countries afraid of us.

richwicks says

don't think the US has any friends at this point, it's just a bunch of countries afraid of us.

What's wrong with that? If you're not the bully someone else will fill that role and fuck you over. The bully wins 99% of the time despite what Hollywood bull shit movies put out. Be the bully and love it. If you were ever bullied I'm sorry, but you're weak. That's not directed at you rich, but it's true overall.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

don't think the US has any friends at this point, it's just a bunch of countries afraid of us.

What's wrong with that? If you're not the bully someone else will fill that role and fuck you over.

Jesus Christ. You don't have to be a bully, idiot, to be on top.

Jesus, you're fucking unbelievable. This is the 2nd post of yours I've seen today which indicates you're a total nut.

There was a time in the United States we had a president that said "speak softly and carry a big stick".

The US has NO negotiation ability or diplomacy, none at all. If the US only has enemies and nations that fear us, guess what will happen? There's 330 million Americans total. Maybe about 400 million if you include illegal immigrants. When we collapse because of the FUCKING NEOCONS, it will be probably China that controls the world and since they have run a civilization for 1000's of years continuously, that's where your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc will be stuck under, for 20 generations.

Because stupid people like you run our government. Maybe that's the plan, maybe the plan is to subvert this nation by being SUCH ASSHOLES that the only choice of the ENTIRE PLANET is to isolate US.

Just the stupid arrogance of Americans. The Middle East should just cut off oil supplies to the United States and Europe, but allow shipments to Europe provided the EU end relations with the United States. China should end exports to the United States, they're just trading useful goods and services for "money" anyhow. Latin American should just cut off exports of agricultural products, just let it rot instead.

The US wouldn't last two years. The only reason we exist at this point, is at the behest of the rest of the world. We're permitted simply because we haven't pissed them off enough YET.

It makes NO SENSE for the EU to cooperate with the United States. The US just engaged in an act of war by blowing up the Nordstream pipeline, and not just against Russia but Germany, and the rest of Europe. The US is threatening China, "oh the Chinese spy balloon". We have MORONS in power, but I never suspected you were one.

richwicks says

Russia will achieve their mission goals,

Does that include NATO expansion into Finland and Sweden. I mean officially, unofficially one could argue that they already are.

richwicks says

The US just engaged in an act of war by blowing up the Nordstream pipeline

Actual proof. Not a link. Give me actual proof that it happened and the US did it?

I simply don't care. Fuck Germany. My SIL is currently living there. Fuck Russia and their gas. Your hate for America can sometimes be justified, but it has gotten out of control. Because a senile old man, Biden, that I dislike, said he could take out Nordstream is not proof. No one has proof of anything. You, media, government, etc.

If there was actual proof all hell would have broken loose. There are people that know what happened, but you aren't one of them. Those people didn't escalate things. You're trying to find a reason to hate America. Get over past conflicts. You're hung up on the past. You don't work towards the future. Make a damn difference and stop complaining. I could complain about your past 500 comments. I don't. My eyes are open. Yours are closed and you're dead set on the US fucking with everyone like there's no incoming shit from other countries. You've voluntarily blinded yourself. Doesn't move me. Just pointing it out.

Booger says

Does that include NATO expansion into Finland and Sweden. I mean officially, unofficially one could argue that they already are.

No it doesn't.

End this snarky nonsense. For 8 years before this stupid fucking war started, Russia has been (at least pretending) to negotiate in good faith to keep Ukraine neutral and to implement the Minsk Accords. It was Angela Merkel that claimed that the Minsk Accords would NEVER be implemented and was just a delay tactic to arm Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-57KOwG9co

The intention was always to bring Russia to war against Ukraine. I think (but don't know) it was believes that sanctions would crippled Russia, and I've also heard some American administrative idiot say something along the lines of "Russia will run out of money before Europe will run out of oil". That's how stupid they are. What does Russia need MONEY for? Money is a mechanism for exchanging goods and services. What goods and services does Russia NEED from Europe?

WookieMan says

What's wrong with that? If you're not the bully someone else will fill that role and fuck you over. The bully wins 99% of the time despite what Hollywood bull shit movies put out. Be the bully and love it. If you were ever bullied I'm sorry, but you're weak. That's not directed at you rich, but it's true overall.

It's imperialist and war-mongering. See the Middle East. Switzerland was never the bully, yet they stayed out of every major war.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

The US just engaged in an act of war by blowing up the Nordstream pipeline

Actual proof. Not a link. Give me actual proof that it happened and the US did it?

This is in the category of "duh".


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Two unexploded mines were REPORTEDLY found. Maybe that's a lie, but you HARDLY need that. It's so unbelievably stupid to think that Russia would blow up their OWN infrastructure. It's like if you had a dispute with your electricity provider and one day, the utility pole going to your house blows up.

It's a MYSTERY who did it? Was it you? Nah, I'm sure the power company did it, instead of just turning off your power.

How dumb do you have to be at this point to believe the US at this point? They lie about EVERYTHING and the lies are so stupid.

I'm sitting here thinking, "he must be trolling me" which I hope is true but then there's the part of me that thinks "are people REALLY this gullible?"

Get your booster, I mean the vaccines don't work, they are known to be at least slightly dangerous, they don't keep you from spreading the virus, or contracting it, it doesn't even seem to reduce symptoms, in fact it might make you MORE vulnerable to the disease, but I mean, you'll believe any nonsense if this government says it.

WookieMan says

Actual proof. Not a link. Give me actual proof that it happened and the US did it?

I'm sorry, not a link meaning you want us to mail you the CIA's plans? Every credible news source agrees we did it. The only one's who deny it want you injected, raising a Ukraine flag on your front lawn, and paying your taxes directly to Zelensky.

richwicks says

What goods and services does Russia NEED from Europe?

None.

Oil will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no oil.

Onvacation says

Oil will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no oil.

Exactly.

As long as Russia has fertilizer, can produce food, has energy, has raw resources, and can build enough armaments to stave off any invasion (not that I expect them to be invaded), they'll do just fine. I can't think of anything that the West produces that Russia needs. Maybe they want the newest iPhone? The only thing the west produces are things that are basically luxury items, well, not luxury, but convenience to be certain.

At the end of this stupid war, I think Russia will be more economically independent, and maybe even less corrupt.

Russia should get to work building their own CPU. Maybe they should actually develop a RISC-V system? China has the fabs. China also already has some proprietary CPUs, I think their largest super computer uses one of their proprietary architectures.

Javelin missile went into service in 1996, so the CPU requirement in it is no more than 486/Pentium level. Pretty sure both Russia and China can churn out those 0.5-1 micron (500 to 1000nm) processors in vast numbers. What Russian and Chinese military don't have is combat experience. The criminal Biden administration has been giving them plenty practice during this Ukraine nonsense, while whittling down the reserve of combat experienced veterans in the West (and mandating clot shots on the latter).