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richwicks
2023 May 10, 12:33pm
richwicks
2023 May 10, 12:33pm
HeadSet says
Me too. Remember the guy that committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest and hanging himself?
They are overtly saying, keep your mouth shut, when they do shit like this. The sheep will believe it was suicide or whatever, even though the facts blatantly don't add up if you look into it even a little superficially.
Ceffer says
An additional irony is that they showed two entirely different versions of the rifle held up for publicity shots as Oswald's weapon. One was clearly different from the other.
Blatant "errors" like that make me think they are sending a warning to those in the know, similar to how Seth Rich died in a robbery where nothing was taken.
Me too. Remember the guy that committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest and hanging himself?
They are overtly saying, keep your mouth shut, when they do shit like this. The sheep will believe it was suicide or whatever, even though the facts blatantly don't add up if you look into it even a little superficially.
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HeadSet
2023 May 10, 1:22pm
HeadSet
2023 May 10, 1:22pm
richwicks says
I do not think it is meant to fool the sheep, but rather to give the cowardly local prosecutors an out by declaring a suicide.
The sheep will believe it was suicide or whatever, even though the facts blatantly don't add up if you look into it even a little superficially.
I do not think it is meant to fool the sheep, but rather to give the cowardly local prosecutors an out by declaring a suicide.
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richwicks
2023 May 11, 8:38am
richwicks
2023 May 11, 8:38am
HeadSet says
Propaganda is a thing that gives people an excuse not to think. All 90% of people need to hear is "it was suicide", and they believe it.
People who are little smarter realize, it obviously wasn't a suicide, the prosecutor nor the police will do anything about it, the news lies about it, and it was a politically motivated murder - the murder is a threat and you get to see how many people go along with it, rather than take ANY risk (no matter how minimal) in just going along to get along.
There's virtually no threat to me in pointing out that Mark Middleton was assassinated, hardly any threat to ANYBODY to talk about it, but they won't. Plenty of people can see this was a murder, how many people will point it out? 1%? 0.1%?
richwicks says
The sheep will believe it was suicide or whatever, even though the facts blatantly don't add up if you look into it even a little superficially.
I do not think it is meant to fool the sheep, but rather to give the cowardly local prosecutors an out by declaring a suicide.
Propaganda is a thing that gives people an excuse not to think. All 90% of people need to hear is "it was suicide", and they believe it.
People who are little smarter realize, it obviously wasn't a suicide, the prosecutor nor the police will do anything about it, the news lies about it, and it was a politically motivated murder - the murder is a threat and you get to see how many people go along with it, rather than take ANY risk (no matter how minimal) in just going along to get along.
There's virtually no threat to me in pointing out that Mark Middleton was assassinated, hardly any threat to ANYBODY to talk about it, but they won't. Plenty of people can see this was a murder, how many people will point it out? 1%? 0.1%?
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AmericanKulak
2023 May 12, 9:45pm
AmericanKulak
2023 May 12, 9:45pm
JFK's mistress murdered just before Warren Report.
Another one of the many suspicious incidents around that time.
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/02/21/mistress/?chrome=1
Another one of the many suspicious incidents around that time.
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/02/21/mistress/?chrome=1
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RayAmerica
2023 May 13, 12:49pm
RayAmerica
2023 May 13, 12:49pm
AmericanKulak says
JFK considered Mary Meyer to be, unlike his wife Jackie, his intellectual equal. JFK would often confide in her regarding insider information, much of which she recorded in her diary. Her brother-in-law, the journalist *Bill Bradlee, was well known in Washington circles to be an operative of the CIA. On the day of her murder, Bradlee & Meyer's sister specifically went to her "over the garage" apartment in an effort to retrieve her diary. When they arrived they both witnessed James J. Angelton exiting the apartment. At that time, Angleton was the Chief of Counterintelligence for the CIA. Bradlee later claimed that Angelton did not find the diary, but, that they did. After noticing 'nothing sensitive' in its contents, Bradlee and his wife decided to burn it, which they claimed they did. Whatever the case, the CIA was obviously very interested in obtaining the diary.
Another interesting twist; Mary Pinchot Meyer was married to none other than Cord Meyer, who just so happens to have been the CIA's 'go to guy' for black ops. For example; Cord Meyer was the mastermind and principal operative of the CIA's 'Operation Mockingbird,' which was a clandestine effort to recruit members of the media in order to spread CIA propaganda. It's been established that as many as 400 journalists worked for the CIA in that capacity.
As far as Mary Pinchot Meyer's murder, a black man (who was completely innocent) was arrested and tried for the murder. He was defended by a brilliant attorney by the name of Dovey Johnson Roundtree, who was one of the very few black women in America that was a licensed attorney. She proved, beyond any shadow of doubt, that her client was not linked forensically to the crime, nor was there ever any evidence to suggest that her client ever owned a gun (the murder weapon was never found). Her client was set up as a patsy in order to make the crime appear to be just another ordinary murder. However, Mary Meyer was obviously murdered by a professional. She was shot once in the back and once in the temple, execution style. The case to this day is officially listed as 'unsolved.'
*As Editor in Chief at the Washington Post (another CIA operation), Bradlee also played a pivotal role in bringing down Richard Nixon, by continually running 'stories' with insider information provided by the WaPo's 'secret source,' Deep Throat. (At that time, only the Washington Post was running daily stories on Watergate) Deep Throat turned out to be none other than Mark Felt, the Second in Command at the FBI. Watergate was a Coup de tat orchestrated by members of the intelligence community as a means to remove Nixon, whom the Deep State always considered to be an unpredictable outsider. Nixon was replaced as POTUS by Warren Commission member, and co-inventor of the Magic Bullet Theory, Gerald Ford.
JFK's mistress murdered just before Warren Report.
Another one of the many suspicious incidents around that time.
JFK considered Mary Meyer to be, unlike his wife Jackie, his intellectual equal. JFK would often confide in her regarding insider information, much of which she recorded in her diary. Her brother-in-law, the journalist *Bill Bradlee, was well known in Washington circles to be an operative of the CIA. On the day of her murder, Bradlee & Meyer's sister specifically went to her "over the garage" apartment in an effort to retrieve her diary. When they arrived they both witnessed James J. Angelton exiting the apartment. At that time, Angleton was the Chief of Counterintelligence for the CIA. Bradlee later claimed that Angelton did not find the diary, but, that they did. After noticing 'nothing sensitive' in its contents, Bradlee and his wife decided to burn it, which they claimed they did. Whatever the case, the CIA was obviously very interested in obtaining the diary.
Another interesting twist; Mary Pinchot Meyer was married to none other than Cord Meyer, who just so happens to have been the CIA's 'go to guy' for black ops. For example; Cord Meyer was the mastermind and principal operative of the CIA's 'Operation Mockingbird,' which was a clandestine effort to recruit members of the media in order to spread CIA propaganda. It's been established that as many as 400 journalists worked for the CIA in that capacity.
As far as Mary Pinchot Meyer's murder, a black man (who was completely innocent) was arrested and tried for the murder. He was defended by a brilliant attorney by the name of Dovey Johnson Roundtree, who was one of the very few black women in America that was a licensed attorney. She proved, beyond any shadow of doubt, that her client was not linked forensically to the crime, nor was there ever any evidence to suggest that her client ever owned a gun (the murder weapon was never found). Her client was set up as a patsy in order to make the crime appear to be just another ordinary murder. However, Mary Meyer was obviously murdered by a professional. She was shot once in the back and once in the temple, execution style. The case to this day is officially listed as 'unsolved.'
*As Editor in Chief at the Washington Post (another CIA operation), Bradlee also played a pivotal role in bringing down Richard Nixon, by continually running 'stories' with insider information provided by the WaPo's 'secret source,' Deep Throat. (At that time, only the Washington Post was running daily stories on Watergate) Deep Throat turned out to be none other than Mark Felt, the Second in Command at the FBI. Watergate was a Coup de tat orchestrated by members of the intelligence community as a means to remove Nixon, whom the Deep State always considered to be an unpredictable outsider. Nixon was replaced as POTUS by Warren Commission member, and co-inventor of the Magic Bullet Theory, Gerald Ford.
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RayAmerica
2023 May 13, 1:16pm
RayAmerica
2023 May 13, 1:16pm
Former Congressman Ron Paul recently stated that America had a "coup de tat on November 22, 1963." I completely agree. That's what makes the JFK Assassination relevant, and, it provides ample evidence to see for yourself how the Deep State really operates.
Other case studies?
America's entry into World War I, justified by Woodrow Wilson as a "necessary war in order to make the world safe for Democracy." Just one problem; in all of Europe at that time, there wasn't one single democratic state.
The attack on Pearl Harbor (ALL Japanese codes, both diplomatic and military, were broken prior to the attack. FDR knew well in advance that the attack was coming, but refused to give that information to the Naval and Army command at Pearl). Pearl Harbor was used as a 'back door entry into the European War, which American citizens were overwhelmingly against, and what FDR promised that he would "never send your boys to fight in any European War."
The completely unnecessary use of Atomic weapons upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman was a notorious liar. He claimed his use of those weapons 'saved the lives of over a million GIs.' Japan was attempting to negotiate peace for an entire year prior to their usage.
How FDR and Truman both conspired to sign away the vast majority of Europe into the hands of the brutal, worse than Hitler Dictator, Joseph Stalin. In short, Americans shed their blood so that Communism would rule the majority of Europe until the collapse of the USSR.
The utterly false flag operation known as the 'Gulf of Tonkin Incident' which led to the 'Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,' giving the warmonger LBJ full war powers in which to wage war on North Viet Nam. 58,000+ Americans died, while wounding countless more in that pointless war, which also killed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese civilians. The Military Industrial Complex were the winners, as were the crooked politicians such as LBJ that received enormous kick backs.
The first Gulf War under George H. W. Bush, justified by the totally false "babies being thrown out of their incubators." In spite of Bush repeating this lie over and over again, it never happened.
What REALLY happened on 9/11 along with the subsequent boat load of lies that were used to justify the illegal wars in Iraq & Afghanistan.
The PLANDEMIC and its equally planned EXPERIMENTAL genocidal 'vaccines,' that has killed millions and continues to kill countless people.
Other case studies?
America's entry into World War I, justified by Woodrow Wilson as a "necessary war in order to make the world safe for Democracy." Just one problem; in all of Europe at that time, there wasn't one single democratic state.
The attack on Pearl Harbor (ALL Japanese codes, both diplomatic and military, were broken prior to the attack. FDR knew well in advance that the attack was coming, but refused to give that information to the Naval and Army command at Pearl). Pearl Harbor was used as a 'back door entry into the European War, which American citizens were overwhelmingly against, and what FDR promised that he would "never send your boys to fight in any European War."
The completely unnecessary use of Atomic weapons upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman was a notorious liar. He claimed his use of those weapons 'saved the lives of over a million GIs.' Japan was attempting to negotiate peace for an entire year prior to their usage.
How FDR and Truman both conspired to sign away the vast majority of Europe into the hands of the brutal, worse than Hitler Dictator, Joseph Stalin. In short, Americans shed their blood so that Communism would rule the majority of Europe until the collapse of the USSR.
The utterly false flag operation known as the 'Gulf of Tonkin Incident' which led to the 'Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,' giving the warmonger LBJ full war powers in which to wage war on North Viet Nam. 58,000+ Americans died, while wounding countless more in that pointless war, which also killed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese civilians. The Military Industrial Complex were the winners, as were the crooked politicians such as LBJ that received enormous kick backs.
The first Gulf War under George H. W. Bush, justified by the totally false "babies being thrown out of their incubators." In spite of Bush repeating this lie over and over again, it never happened.
What REALLY happened on 9/11 along with the subsequent boat load of lies that were used to justify the illegal wars in Iraq & Afghanistan.
The PLANDEMIC and its equally planned EXPERIMENTAL genocidal 'vaccines,' that has killed millions and continues to kill countless people.
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HeadSet
2023 May 13, 1:39pm
HeadSet
2023 May 13, 1:39pm
RayAmerica says
Not so. Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.
RayAmerica says
That whole paragraph is false. Japan refused to surrender even after the first atomic bomb. After the second atomic bomb when the Emperor intervened and ordered Japan to surrender, the Emperor had to fight off a coupe of military brass that did not want to surrender.
Pearl Harbor was used as a 'back door entry into the European War
Not so. Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.
RayAmerica says
The completely unnecessary use of Atomic weapons upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman was a notorious liar. He claimed his use of those weapons 'saved the lives of over a million GIs.' Japan was attempting to negotiate peace for an entire year prior to their usage.
That whole paragraph is false. Japan refused to surrender even after the first atomic bomb. After the second atomic bomb when the Emperor intervened and ordered Japan to surrender, the Emperor had to fight off a coupe of military brass that did not want to surrender.
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PeopleUnited
2023 May 13, 1:40pm
PeopleUnited
2023 May 13, 1:40pm
We have been lied to about almost every war, and crisis for over 100 years. Pretty much every thing has happened exactly as the new world order wanted it to. And if they can’t buy what they want, they use force.
It’s actually amazing we are still alive and free to talk about their lies. When their plans are finally fully implemented billions will die and the survivors won’t have that liberty, those who exercise their right to free speech will be executed and labeled as enemies for telling the truth.
“Truth is treason in the empire if lies.” -Ron Paul
It’s actually amazing we are still alive and free to talk about their lies. When their plans are finally fully implemented billions will die and the survivors won’t have that liberty, those who exercise their right to free speech will be executed and labeled as enemies for telling the truth.
“Truth is treason in the empire if lies.” -Ron Paul
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mell
2023 May 13, 1:43pm
HeadSet says
Doesn't make it any more right, it just shows the brutal nature of war. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes although admittedly they sped up surrender and the end of ww2. That's how fucked up war is
RayAmerica says
Pearl Harbor was used as a 'back door entry into the European War
Not so. Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.
RayAmerica says
The completely unnecessary use of Atomic weapons upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman was a notorious liar. He claimed his use of those weapons 'saved the lives of over a million GIs.' Japan was attempting to negotiate peace for an entire year prior to their usage.
That whole paragraph is false. Japan refused to surrender even after the first atomic bomb. After the second atomic bomb when the Emperor intervened and ordered Japan to surrender, the Emperor had to fight off a coupe of military brass that did not want to surrender.
Doesn't make it any more right, it just shows the brutal nature of war. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes although admittedly they sped up surrender and the end of ww2. That's how fucked up war is
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HeadSet
2023 May 13, 1:54pm
HeadSet
2023 May 13, 1:54pm
@patrick
I know you did a fix concerning only 2 pages of threads showing. However, an old feature seems to have been deleted. It used to be when I clicked on a thread it would take me to the comment after the last one I read. Now clicking on a thread takes me to the top of the list and I need to scroll down to find my last read comment.
I know you did a fix concerning only 2 pages of threads showing. However, an old feature seems to have been deleted. It used to be when I clicked on a thread it would take me to the comment after the last one I read. Now clicking on a thread takes me to the top of the list and I need to scroll down to find my last read comment.
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Ceffer
2023 May 13, 2:03pm
Ceffer
2023 May 13, 2:03pm
Nations are always negotiating, albeit in private, even during a war with each other. I think the Japanese issue and the atom bomb was that US demanded unconditional surrender, not negotiated surrender. Plus, they wanted to try out their little atomic bomb friend to shock and awe the world,
I was reading an anecdote that Hitler had SS positioned to kill all of the various groups of German scientists (they wound up doing this anyway with the many scientists who worked on their 'Bell' project). In exchange for not killing the scientists so West could ratline them, America agreed that Hitler would be allowed to escape. Don't ask me if this is validated, I don't know. but it does seem Hitler was exfiltrated successfully.
I was reading an anecdote that Hitler had SS positioned to kill all of the various groups of German scientists (they wound up doing this anyway with the many scientists who worked on their 'Bell' project). In exchange for not killing the scientists so West could ratline them, America agreed that Hitler would be allowed to escape. Don't ask me if this is validated, I don't know. but it does seem Hitler was exfiltrated successfully.
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Patrick
2023 May 13, 3:21pm
Patrick
2023 May 13, 3:21pm
HeadSet says
@Headset You can still get the old behavior by clicking the "unread comments" blinky icon:
Or you can click the part where it says "latest 28 minutes ago" or similar.
I had to change the result of clicking directly on the thread title because using that to do the work of the blinky icon was causing other problems.
I know you did a fix concerning only 2 pages of threads showing. However, an old feature seems to have been deleted. It used to be when I clicked on a thread it would take me to the comment after the last one I read. Now clicking on a thread takes me to the top of the list and I need to scroll down to find my last read comment.
@Headset You can still get the old behavior by clicking the "unread comments" blinky icon:
Or you can click the part where it says "latest 28 minutes ago" or similar.
I had to change the result of clicking directly on the thread title because using that to do the work of the blinky icon was causing other problems.
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RayAmerica
2023 May 13, 9:04pm
RayAmerica
2023 May 13, 9:04pm
The war efforts of the USA after the Pearl Harbor attack were concentrated on EUROPE, while the Pacific was severely neglected. Also, it is not surprising that Germany declared war on the USA after Pearl Harbor, due to the Tripartite Pact between Japan, Italy and Germany. The Pact mandated that the other members automatically would be at war with any country that entered into a war with any member of the Pact. FDR certainly knew this and provoked the island nation of Japan to attack the USA because of the crippling embargo that FDR put on Japan.
Further proof for the 'back door' theory is that the USA concentrated its war efforts not in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor, but in Europe! For example; the Philippines were abandoned without hardly a fight, resulting in 25,000 American GIs losing their lives due to the Bataan Death March.
As far as using the A-Bombs on Japan in order to "end the war," the war party of Japan had been defeated politically, and for an entire year, Japan sought to end the war that their leaders knew was lost. The USA responded by demanding "unconditional surrender," which the Japanese could not agree to. Unconditional Surrender meant that Japan would not be able to negotiate at all, leaving their future entirely in the hands of the victors.
The point is this; the war with Japan COULD have ended earlier that it did, but the Americans refused to negotiate. Instead, the A-Bombs were dropped on civilians, and, on an already defeated enemy.
At the time of the nuclear attacks, Japan was in full retreat in the Pacific, and, they had been completely defeated in the Philippines. Their Navy was virtually destroyed, including its aircraft carrier fleet. Its air force was non-existent. Japan's industry was destroyed. Its access to oil was cut off. America was able to conduct bombing raids on Japan without any fear of air combat. Why nuclear weapons were used is a mystery. What we do know is that they were completely unnecessary.
Further proof for the 'back door' theory is that the USA concentrated its war efforts not in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor, but in Europe! For example; the Philippines were abandoned without hardly a fight, resulting in 25,000 American GIs losing their lives due to the Bataan Death March.
As far as using the A-Bombs on Japan in order to "end the war," the war party of Japan had been defeated politically, and for an entire year, Japan sought to end the war that their leaders knew was lost. The USA responded by demanding "unconditional surrender," which the Japanese could not agree to. Unconditional Surrender meant that Japan would not be able to negotiate at all, leaving their future entirely in the hands of the victors.
The point is this; the war with Japan COULD have ended earlier that it did, but the Americans refused to negotiate. Instead, the A-Bombs were dropped on civilians, and, on an already defeated enemy.
At the time of the nuclear attacks, Japan was in full retreat in the Pacific, and, they had been completely defeated in the Philippines. Their Navy was virtually destroyed, including its aircraft carrier fleet. Its air force was non-existent. Japan's industry was destroyed. Its access to oil was cut off. America was able to conduct bombing raids on Japan without any fear of air combat. Why nuclear weapons were used is a mystery. What we do know is that they were completely unnecessary.
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mell
2023 May 13, 9:52pm
RayAmerica says
Same reason as the clot shots. Never let a crisis go to waste, instead try out some new fangled deadly shit on people who can't object
. Why nuclear weapons were used is a mystery. What we do know is that they were completely unnecessary
Same reason as the clot shots. Never let a crisis go to waste, instead try out some new fangled deadly shit on people who can't object
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seesaw
2023 May 14, 9:45am
seesaw
2023 May 14, 9:45am
I wonder who actually made those two nukes... Raytheon? I cant find the company ...
Sometimes rabbit holes are fun to look into
Sometimes rabbit holes are fun to look into
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HeadSet
2023 May 14, 5:12pm
HeadSet
2023 May 14, 5:12pm
seesaw says
Manhattan Project by the US Government directly, involving military engineers. It was not contracted out.
I wonder who actually made those two nukes.
Manhattan Project by the US Government directly, involving military engineers. It was not contracted out.
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Misc
2023 May 18, 10:44pm
All I know is that my Granddad was scheduled to parachute onto Japan until we nuked 'em. They were estimating 90% casualties
After what the Japanese did to our POWs, a little nuking and firebombing of cities seemed quite ok.
After what the Japanese did to our POWs, a little nuking and firebombing of cities seemed quite ok.
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Patrick
2023 Jun 16, 12:55pm
Patrick
2023 Jun 16, 12:55pm
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-rfk-jr-says-he-must-be-careful-cia-doesnt-assassinate-him
RFK Jr. Says He Must "Be Careful" The CIA Doesn't Assassinate Him
During a discussion with Joe Rogan, Presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy junior admitted that he is putting his life in danger by speaking out about the assassinations of his uncle and his father, and that he “takes precautions” to ensure the CIA doesn’t kill him.
Rogan asked RFK Jr. what he thought would happen if he managed to get into office, to which Kennedy replied “I gotta be careful.”
“I’m aware of that, you know, I’m aware of that danger. I don’t live in fear of it — at all. But I’m not stupid about it, and I take precautions,” he added.
Kennedy spoke about his Uncle JFK being “at war” with the military industrial complex, and asserted that the intelligence agencies were “trying to trick him” into launching military excursions into Cuba and Vietnam.
RFK Jr. again spoke about JFK eventually concluding that he must “shatter” the CIA “into a thousands pieces” and “scatter it to the winds.”
“[JFK] learned very early on that the purpose of the CIA and the intelligence apparatus was to create a constant pipeline of new wars for them, for the military industrial complex,” Kennedy noted, adding that JFK was adamant that “it’s not the United States’ jobs to dictate what kind of governments other countries have.”
RFK Jr. continued, “in October of 1963 he heard that some of his Green Berets had been killed… and he said I want a total casualty list from Vietnam. His aide came to him and said 75 Americans have died, he said that’s too many and he signed that day a national security directive ordering all troops out of Vietnam… the first thousand over the next month and then the rest by the beginning of 1965, and um and then a month later he was killed.”
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Patrick
2023 Jul 7, 4:07pm
Patrick
2023 Jul 7, 4:07pm
https://notthebee.com/article/former-twitter-head-jack-dorsey-says-that-the-cia-100-without-a-doubt-murdered-jfk
Jack Dorsey: "100%, without a doubt" that the CIA killed JFK
Jack Dorsey recently endorsed Robert F Kennedy Jr. for president and indicated the primary reason was to scatter the CIA and FBI to the wind. ...
I'm not saying this is true, but top public figures like Jack Dorsey, Ron Paul, and RFKJ all unhesitatingly believe that the U.S. government murdered one of the most popular presidents in American history because he was opposed to the CIA's machinations and the escalation of the Vietnam war. That's something right there.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 10, 1:58pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 10, 1:58pm
Ceffer says
One of Hirohito's son came to the US to beg for surrender, the only condition was the the emperor Hirohito wouldn't be killed. The US wanted to test the nuclear bomb on a population, so the US refused, and dropped the two bombs to study the effects.
Then the US accepted surrender, and didn't execute Hirohito.
We didn't have to drop the bomb, but since so much work was put into creating it, it WAS going to be tested.
Nations are always negotiating, albeit in private, even during a war with each other. I think the Japanese issue and the atom bomb was that US demanded unconditional surrender, not negotiated surrender. Plus, they wanted to try out their little atomic bomb friend to shock and awe the world,
One of Hirohito's son came to the US to beg for surrender, the only condition was the the emperor Hirohito wouldn't be killed. The US wanted to test the nuclear bomb on a population, so the US refused, and dropped the two bombs to study the effects.
Then the US accepted surrender, and didn't execute Hirohito.
We didn't have to drop the bomb, but since so much work was put into creating it, it WAS going to be tested.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 10, 2:01pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 10, 2:01pm
Patrick says
I don't think JFK was one of the most popular presidents in history, he wasn't really elected, Nixon was.
Ever see how well Nixon did in his 1970 presidential run?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_United_States_presidential_election
Nixon DEMOLISHED George McGovern. He probably WAS the most popular presidential candidate in my lifetime. He won over 60% of the vote. This idea that Nixon was hated is myth.
I'm not saying this is true, but top public figures like Jack Dorsey, Ron Paul, and RFKJ all unhesitatingly believe that the U.S. government murdered one of the most popular presidents in American history because he was opposed to the CIA's machinations and the escalation of the Vietnam war.
I don't think JFK was one of the most popular presidents in history, he wasn't really elected, Nixon was.
Ever see how well Nixon did in his 1970 presidential run?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_United_States_presidential_election
Nixon DEMOLISHED George McGovern. He probably WAS the most popular presidential candidate in my lifetime. He won over 60% of the vote. This idea that Nixon was hated is myth.
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Ceffer
2023 Jul 10, 2:07pm
Ceffer
2023 Jul 10, 2:07pm
I think Trump should offer RFK Jr. military protection. The Secret Service is a potentially traitorous and only semi-competent Praetorian Guard. They were part and parcel of the Kennedy assassination, redirecting the motorcade to make sure Kennedy was in the line of fire.
Even the Biden Actor doesn't trust them, which may be why he was accompanied by a Chinese security guard for so long who was clearly wearing a CCP pin and probably had his own protection cadre with Biden bribed asset.
Even the Biden Actor doesn't trust them, which may be why he was accompanied by a Chinese security guard for so long who was clearly wearing a CCP pin and probably had his own protection cadre with Biden bribed asset.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Jul 10, 2:18pm
NuttBoxer
2023 Jul 10, 2:18pm
Patrick says
From what I've read it was more about Kennedy hanging the army/CIA out to dry, making them look bad that caused his assassination. There are a group of people that meet to discuss JFK assassination yearly. A lot of good info, and they debunk a lot of popular theory's that have sprung up over the years.
I'm not saying this is true, but top public figures like Jack Dorsey, Ron Paul, and RFKJ all unhesitatingly believe that the U.S. government murdered one of the most popular presidents in American history because he was opposed to the CIA's machinations and the escalation of the Vietnam war. That's something right there.
From what I've read it was more about Kennedy hanging the army/CIA out to dry, making them look bad that caused his assassination. There are a group of people that meet to discuss JFK assassination yearly. A lot of good info, and they debunk a lot of popular theory's that have sprung up over the years.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 10, 5:51pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 10, 5:51pm
NuttBoxer says
Do you know the group? I would like to contact them. I'll connect them to another person and they can rip each other apart on their hypothesis.
I think Kennedy was killed for multiple reasons, not just one.
Patrick says
I'm not saying this is true, but top public figures like Jack Dorsey, Ron Paul, and RFKJ all unhesitatingly believe that the U.S. government murdered one of the most popular presidents in American history because he was opposed to the CIA's machinations and the escalation of the Vietnam war. That's something right there.
From what I've read it was more about Kennedy hanging the army/CIA out to dry, making them look bad that caused his assassination. There are a group of people that meet to discuss JFK assassination yearly. A lot of good info, and they debunk a lot of popular theory's that have sprung up over the years.
Do you know the group? I would like to contact them. I'll connect them to another person and they can rip each other apart on their hypothesis.
I think Kennedy was killed for multiple reasons, not just one.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Jul 11, 9:23am
NuttBoxer
2023 Jul 11, 9:23am
I don't, just remember Corbett did a presentation at their conference in the last or two. Can probably find it on his site.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 14, 2:23pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 14, 2:23pm
richwicks says
That narrative flies against the facts. The Japanese refused to surrender even after the first atomic bombing. Even after the second atomic bombing, there was a faction high up that tried a coupe against the Emperor when the Emperor broke the tie and decided on surrender. Also remember that the world saw Germany rise from defeat in WWI to become a conquering powerhouse in the 40s. Noone wanted to see Japan rise up from defeat and also reconquer a few decades later, so unconditional surrender was the only option.
One of Hirohito's son came to the US to beg for surrender, the only condition was the the emperor Hirohito wouldn't be killed. The US wanted to test the nuclear bomb on a population, so the US refused, and dropped the two bombs to study the effects.
That narrative flies against the facts. The Japanese refused to surrender even after the first atomic bombing. Even after the second atomic bombing, there was a faction high up that tried a coupe against the Emperor when the Emperor broke the tie and decided on surrender. Also remember that the world saw Germany rise from defeat in WWI to become a conquering powerhouse in the 40s. Noone wanted to see Japan rise up from defeat and also reconquer a few decades later, so unconditional surrender was the only option.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 14, 3:00pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 14, 3:00pm
HeadSet says
The conditional surrender that the Japanese wanted was "don't kill the emperor" - that was the ONLY condition.
And that's what the US did. Hirohito died at 87.
The US was going to test those nuclear weapons. Everything we learn in government history books is propaganda and lies. Everything. The US had an oil embargo on Japan, while it was at war with China. Japan did EVIL shit then as well. We knew about the pending attack of Pearl Harbor, all the ships that were there were old, everything else was out to sea to do maneuvers. It was intentional to get a bunch of people killed.
Out government always, always, always wants fucking war. Imagine if the US just stayed out of WWII and quietly developed the nuclear bomb.
No government is good, but I'm pretty sick of living under a government that is fucking stupid.
That narrative flies against the facts. The Japanese refused to surrender even after the first atomic bombing. Even after the second atomic bombing, there was a faction high up that tried a coupe against the Emperor when the Emperor broke the tie and decided on surrender. Also remember that the world saw Germany rise from defeat in WWI to become a conquering powerhouse in the 40s. Noone wanted to see Japan rise up from defeat and also reconquer a few decades later, so unconditional surrender was the only option.
The conditional surrender that the Japanese wanted was "don't kill the emperor" - that was the ONLY condition.
And that's what the US did. Hirohito died at 87.
The US was going to test those nuclear weapons. Everything we learn in government history books is propaganda and lies. Everything. The US had an oil embargo on Japan, while it was at war with China. Japan did EVIL shit then as well. We knew about the pending attack of Pearl Harbor, all the ships that were there were old, everything else was out to sea to do maneuvers. It was intentional to get a bunch of people killed.
Out government always, always, always wants fucking war. Imagine if the US just stayed out of WWII and quietly developed the nuclear bomb.
No government is good, but I'm pretty sick of living under a government that is fucking stupid.
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Misc
2023 Jul 15, 1:55am
With what the Japanese did to our POWs a little Nuking and Firebombing were in order.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 15, 9:09am
richwicks
2023 Jul 15, 9:09am
Misc says
The Japanese were vicious, but I don't know if that means that the civilian population should pay for it.
I openly oppose my government's actions because I do not want to be liable for them. I opposed ever war our country has been involved in since 1991. Before that, I was too ignorant to be responsible at all because I was too young.
I know how absolutely vicious the Japanese were to POWs. They tried to make a death ray, it was just microwave radiation, beyond their capabilities at the time and not realistic today. What it did was boil people alive. They tested this on "monkeys", its most likely they tested this on POWs.
War is stupid. Maniacs start it, and engage in it. Guantanamo shows what sort of people do this shit. Sociopaths create the conditions for wars and start them. Diplomacy is the method that should be engaged in, if that fails, and it was honest diplomacy, then do anything to kill the enemy. Kill the sociopaths.
The United States doesn't have any diplomats anymore. Our "diplomats" lie and engage in propaganda to foment war. Our nation has had this SHIT for our State Department for at least 20 years. Complete garbage. Victoria Nuland supposedly is a diplomat. She's an asshole.
With what the Japanese did to our POWs a little Nuking and Firebombing were in order.
The Japanese were vicious, but I don't know if that means that the civilian population should pay for it.
I openly oppose my government's actions because I do not want to be liable for them. I opposed ever war our country has been involved in since 1991. Before that, I was too ignorant to be responsible at all because I was too young.
I know how absolutely vicious the Japanese were to POWs. They tried to make a death ray, it was just microwave radiation, beyond their capabilities at the time and not realistic today. What it did was boil people alive. They tested this on "monkeys", its most likely they tested this on POWs.
War is stupid. Maniacs start it, and engage in it. Guantanamo shows what sort of people do this shit. Sociopaths create the conditions for wars and start them. Diplomacy is the method that should be engaged in, if that fails, and it was honest diplomacy, then do anything to kill the enemy. Kill the sociopaths.
The United States doesn't have any diplomats anymore. Our "diplomats" lie and engage in propaganda to foment war. Our nation has had this SHIT for our State Department for at least 20 years. Complete garbage. Victoria Nuland supposedly is a diplomat. She's an asshole.
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Shaman
2023 Jul 15, 10:48am
Shaman
2023 Jul 15, 10:48am
I think a lot of wars, bad government, meddling billionaires like Soros and Gates who cause untold harm with their sociopathic politics could be prevented with a simple device.
A Guild of International Assassins with the capacity to kill anyone. They could take out these powerful and legally protected assholes who make the world the awful place it often is. Of course, this is a tool that could easily turn in your hand. But can you imagine the difference they could make by taking out meddling billionaires like Bezos ex wife or Bill Gates or the Soros klan?
Just the threat of this guild being sent after them would keep these assholes in check.
A Guild of International Assassins with the capacity to kill anyone. They could take out these powerful and legally protected assholes who make the world the awful place it often is. Of course, this is a tool that could easily turn in your hand. But can you imagine the difference they could make by taking out meddling billionaires like Bezos ex wife or Bill Gates or the Soros klan?
Just the threat of this guild being sent after them would keep these assholes in check.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 15, 8:52pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 15, 8:52pm
Shaman says
Sounds like the drug cartels. "Open the borders, Pelosi or your family dies." Plata y plomo.
A Guild of International Assassins with the capacity to kill anyone.
Sounds like the drug cartels. "Open the borders, Pelosi or your family dies." Plata y plomo.
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Ceffer
2023 Sep 24, 1:01pm
Ceffer
2023 Sep 24, 1:01pm
Shaman says
Soros is a psychopath, but merely a visible store front working for MI6 and the dynastics, made to take the executive heat for the invisible patrons. He'd just be replaced with another psycho bot, and leave the underlying political cancers proliferating intact. The real problem is the fiat money printing presses that enable the networks of subversion, corruption, and blackmail.
I think a lot of wars, bad government, meddling billionaires like Soros and Gates who cause untold harm with their sociopathic politics could be prevented with a simple device.
A Guild of International Assassins with the capacity to kill anyone.
Soros is a psychopath, but merely a visible store front working for MI6 and the dynastics, made to take the executive heat for the invisible patrons. He'd just be replaced with another psycho bot, and leave the underlying political cancers proliferating intact. The real problem is the fiat money printing presses that enable the networks of subversion, corruption, and blackmail.
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AD
2023 Nov 19, 4:37pm
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https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2023-11-18-show/
Researcher Chuck Ochelli is deeply invested in the JFK assassination and its repercussions, tying it to personal experiences and larger societal impacts. He explained how the assassination affected his father, a veteran who later took his life, connecting it to Kennedy's intention to withdraw from Vietnam by the end of 1965. This belief stems from National Security Action Memorandum 263, which would have potentially prevented years of warfare and numerous casualties, including his father. Ochelli joined guest host Richard Syrett (Twitter) to discuss his research into the JFK assassination, skepticism toward the official narrative, and how this historical event altered society's trajectory.
In discussing Paul Landis' claim about a bullet found during Kennedy's assassination, Ochelli questioned its credibility. He suggested Landis' motive as potentially driven by financial gain and expressed skepticism about his consistency between statements made in the past versus those in his book. Ochelli highlighted the complexities of the JFK assassination, pointing out the difficulties in piecing together a credible chain of events due to conflicting testimonies and the absence of concrete evidence.
Regarding the magic bullet theory and Warren Commission staffer Arlen Specter's role in formulating it, Ochelli criticized how it was crafted to fit a predetermined narrative, despite Specter's lack of expertise in forensics or ballistics. He emphasized the theory's necessity to uphold the lone gunman hypothesis and avoid a conspiracy, noting the scarcity of evidence to support it and the numerous wounds needing explanation in the absence of additional bullets.
When discussing Lee Harvey Oswald's alleged presence on the sixth floor of the Book Depository during the shooting, Ochelli cast doubt on the reliability of the primary witness, Howard Brennan, due to various factors like eyesight impairment. He also explored alternative theories about Oswald's potential location during the event, such as the "prayer man" in the doorway of the building, but expressed uncertainty and a need for further examination of evidence.
Ochelli has set up a discount for Coast listeners with coupon code "coast" when subscribing or signing up to be a supporter at ochelli.com.
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During the latter half of the program, researcher James DiEugenio reported on JFK assassination "chokeholds" that prove there was a conspiracy as outlined in the book, "The JFK Assassination Chokeholds."
DiEugenio is one of the five contributors to the book. He emphasized the legal perspective brought by three lawyers among the contributors: Matt Crumpton, Andrew Iler, and Mark Adamcyzk. Their goal was to establish standards of proof concerning Oswald's conviction, questioning why neither the Warren Commission nor the House Select Committee detailed their standards for convicting Oswald. The book presents compelling evidence to vindicate Oswald, examining different aspects, including the enigma of Kennedy's brain, proof of a front shot, Oswald's alleged location during the shooting, dissenters in the case, and the absence of due process for Oswald.
DiEugenio argued that the evidence, such as Kennedy's brain examination, multiple expert testimonies, and discrepancies in autopsy materials, strongly suggests Oswald could not have been convicted in a fair trial. He highlighted the discrepancy between official descriptions of Kennedy's skull damage, revealing that contrary to initial reports, numerous witnesses saw a significant hole in the back of Kennedy's skull. This evidence, along with X-rays showing particles indicating a frontal shot, strongly implies a conspiracy.
In addition, DiEugenio shed light on how critical information about the assassination was uncovered much later, thanks to the efforts of the Assassination Records Review Board. He criticized government agencies for withholding critical documents, pointing out how even scheduled declassification was delayed repeatedly under President Trump's administration, indicating to him a continued cover-up or resistance to revealing the complete truth about the Kennedy assassination.
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2023-11-18-show/
Researcher Chuck Ochelli is deeply invested in the JFK assassination and its repercussions, tying it to personal experiences and larger societal impacts. He explained how the assassination affected his father, a veteran who later took his life, connecting it to Kennedy's intention to withdraw from Vietnam by the end of 1965. This belief stems from National Security Action Memorandum 263, which would have potentially prevented years of warfare and numerous casualties, including his father. Ochelli joined guest host Richard Syrett (Twitter) to discuss his research into the JFK assassination, skepticism toward the official narrative, and how this historical event altered society's trajectory.
In discussing Paul Landis' claim about a bullet found during Kennedy's assassination, Ochelli questioned its credibility. He suggested Landis' motive as potentially driven by financial gain and expressed skepticism about his consistency between statements made in the past versus those in his book. Ochelli highlighted the complexities of the JFK assassination, pointing out the difficulties in piecing together a credible chain of events due to conflicting testimonies and the absence of concrete evidence.
Regarding the magic bullet theory and Warren Commission staffer Arlen Specter's role in formulating it, Ochelli criticized how it was crafted to fit a predetermined narrative, despite Specter's lack of expertise in forensics or ballistics. He emphasized the theory's necessity to uphold the lone gunman hypothesis and avoid a conspiracy, noting the scarcity of evidence to support it and the numerous wounds needing explanation in the absence of additional bullets.
When discussing Lee Harvey Oswald's alleged presence on the sixth floor of the Book Depository during the shooting, Ochelli cast doubt on the reliability of the primary witness, Howard Brennan, due to various factors like eyesight impairment. He also explored alternative theories about Oswald's potential location during the event, such as the "prayer man" in the doorway of the building, but expressed uncertainty and a need for further examination of evidence.
Ochelli has set up a discount for Coast listeners with coupon code "coast" when subscribing or signing up to be a supporter at ochelli.com.
------------------------------------------------
During the latter half of the program, researcher James DiEugenio reported on JFK assassination "chokeholds" that prove there was a conspiracy as outlined in the book, "The JFK Assassination Chokeholds."
DiEugenio is one of the five contributors to the book. He emphasized the legal perspective brought by three lawyers among the contributors: Matt Crumpton, Andrew Iler, and Mark Adamcyzk. Their goal was to establish standards of proof concerning Oswald's conviction, questioning why neither the Warren Commission nor the House Select Committee detailed their standards for convicting Oswald. The book presents compelling evidence to vindicate Oswald, examining different aspects, including the enigma of Kennedy's brain, proof of a front shot, Oswald's alleged location during the shooting, dissenters in the case, and the absence of due process for Oswald.
DiEugenio argued that the evidence, such as Kennedy's brain examination, multiple expert testimonies, and discrepancies in autopsy materials, strongly suggests Oswald could not have been convicted in a fair trial. He highlighted the discrepancy between official descriptions of Kennedy's skull damage, revealing that contrary to initial reports, numerous witnesses saw a significant hole in the back of Kennedy's skull. This evidence, along with X-rays showing particles indicating a frontal shot, strongly implies a conspiracy.
In addition, DiEugenio shed light on how critical information about the assassination was uncovered much later, thanks to the efforts of the Assassination Records Review Board. He criticized government agencies for withholding critical documents, pointing out how even scheduled declassification was delayed repeatedly under President Trump's administration, indicating to him a continued cover-up or resistance to revealing the complete truth about the Kennedy assassination.
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AD
2023 Nov 19, 4:59pm
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https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/did-irish-william-greer-cause-jfks-death
The driver of JFK's car, who was a Secret Service agent, may have accidentally shot JFK
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https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/did-irish-william-greer-cause-jfks-death
The driver of JFK's car, who was a Secret Service agent, may have accidentally shot JFK
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