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Blasts detected near Nord Stream pipelines amid leak – Swedish seismologists.
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Reality
2022 Sep 30, 3:36pm
Bd6r says
Because all the talks have been about replacing Russian gas with LNG shipment from the US. Halifax was actually a very optimistic loading location, as the gas pipeline through New England is already severely capacity-limited in winter even without any offloading onto tankers in Halifax. Any loading port south of NYC would add 1000+ miles shipping distance, requiring 33+% more tankers for the same flow rate.
The plan might be freezing locals to death, so the banksters don't have to pay back deposits. 50 million population (Poland and Baltics) need much more than 6.5 billion cubic meters in a year. In USDA Zone-5 weather, summer vs. winter gas usage are entirely different. In my Zone-6 (10 degrees warmer than Zone-5) house, winter per day gas usage is nearly 20x that of summer. LNG shipment is a joke compared to the scale of big pipelines like Nordstream-1. The Norway-Poland pipeline can replace about 11% of NS-1, the LNG shipment can perhaps replace 2%. What's to replace the remaining 87% requirement?
For some real numbers, my house is kept to 68-degrees in winter in the warmest part of Zone-6. So a Zone-5 comparable house kept to 60-degrees F would consume at least comparable amount of natural gas as mine, 3500 cubic meters in a year, with 60% of that consumed in the three months of winter. Assuming those nearly 50 million people are packed into 10 million homes comparable to mine (5 people to a household, very high density assumption), that requires 35 billion cubic meters in a year, with about 20 billion cubic meters in the 3 months of winter. At significantly lower than 60F indoor temperature, a lot of people are going to get sick and die from cold.
I believe Norway itself produces shitloads of Nat gas (4th in world after Russia, Qatar, US), why does it need to be shipped to there from Halifax?
Because all the talks have been about replacing Russian gas with LNG shipment from the US. Halifax was actually a very optimistic loading location, as the gas pipeline through New England is already severely capacity-limited in winter even without any offloading onto tankers in Halifax. Any loading port south of NYC would add 1000+ miles shipping distance, requiring 33+% more tankers for the same flow rate.
The flows from Norway along with supplies via liquefied gas terminals are central to Poland's plan. The country was cut off from Russian gas supplies in April, allegedly for refusing to pay in roubles.
The plan might be freezing locals to death, so the banksters don't have to pay back deposits. 50 million population (Poland and Baltics) need much more than 6.5 billion cubic meters in a year. In USDA Zone-5 weather, summer vs. winter gas usage are entirely different. In my Zone-6 (10 degrees warmer than Zone-5) house, winter per day gas usage is nearly 20x that of summer. LNG shipment is a joke compared to the scale of big pipelines like Nordstream-1. The Norway-Poland pipeline can replace about 11% of NS-1, the LNG shipment can perhaps replace 2%. What's to replace the remaining 87% requirement?
For some real numbers, my house is kept to 68-degrees in winter in the warmest part of Zone-6. So a Zone-5 comparable house kept to 60-degrees F would consume at least comparable amount of natural gas as mine, 3500 cubic meters in a year, with 60% of that consumed in the three months of winter. Assuming those nearly 50 million people are packed into 10 million homes comparable to mine (5 people to a household, very high density assumption), that requires 35 billion cubic meters in a year, with about 20 billion cubic meters in the 3 months of winter. At significantly lower than 60F indoor temperature, a lot of people are going to get sick and die from cold.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 30, 3:48pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 30, 3:48pm
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/felix-eick-welt-reporter-on-why-dismantling?publication_id=268621&post_id=75782262&isFreemail=true
Felix Eick, Welt Reporter, on Why Dismantling Nord Stream Means Cutting Putin's "Arteries of Power"
Back in August, before the Nord Stream attacks, it was possible even for dim Green journalists to see that destroying the pipelines would be to Russia's disadvantage. ...
Two months ago, even arrant fools like Felix Eick could see that destroying Nord Stream would hurt Russia. Now that somebody has actually destroyed Nord Stream (or the better part of it), we have to read harebrained theory upon harebrained theory about why Russia is actually responsible and how the end of these pipelines confers an overwrought twelve-dimensional chess advantage to Putin or helps Gazprom escape hypothetical lawsuits or permits Russia to escape sanctions.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2022 Sep 30, 3:53pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2022 Sep 30, 3:53pm
Russia and Germany harmed. Which European country is shedding no tears over that one?
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socal2
2022 Sep 30, 4:08pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Those dopey Germans laughing at Trump don't look so smart now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwg
Russia has been threatening to shut down energy to Europe for years long before the current war in Ukraine. What fool would ever rely on Russia for their energy supplies in the future after all this? Fool me once....
Russia and Germany harmed. Which European country is shedding no tears over that one?
Those dopey Germans laughing at Trump don't look so smart now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwg
Russia has been threatening to shut down energy to Europe for years long before the current war in Ukraine. What fool would ever rely on Russia for their energy supplies in the future after all this? Fool me once....
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Reality
2022 Sep 30, 4:12pm
Bd6r says
Lithuanian has a population of less than 3 million. 1.5M ton of LNG is equivalent to about 2 billion cubic meters of NG. At that ratio, 38 million Poles need 26 billion cubic meters of NG. The new pipe line from Norway to Poland can only deliver 6.5 billion cubic meters in all of 2023.
In 2020 Lithuania imported about 1.5M tons of LNG via Butinge. They will have more now via the new pipeline.
Lithuanian has a population of less than 3 million. 1.5M ton of LNG is equivalent to about 2 billion cubic meters of NG. At that ratio, 38 million Poles need 26 billion cubic meters of NG. The new pipe line from Norway to Poland can only deliver 6.5 billion cubic meters in all of 2023.
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socal2
2022 Sep 30, 4:20pm
Pretty reasonable argument suggesting that the pipeline explosion was an accident due to Russia's legendary incompetence.
- Gas kept in the pipe for months and months which could form hydrate crystals that could cause an explosion while Russia tried to drain the pipe.
- 2 explosions 17 hours apart relatively close together? What type of attack is that knowing that Russia would have had vessels at the site within short order?
- Russia is not making a big fuss blaming Ukraine or screaming at the UN about it.
https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
- Gas kept in the pipe for months and months which could form hydrate crystals that could cause an explosion while Russia tried to drain the pipe.
- 2 explosions 17 hours apart relatively close together? What type of attack is that knowing that Russia would have had vessels at the site within short order?
- Russia is not making a big fuss blaming Ukraine or screaming at the UN about it.
https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
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EBGuy
2022 Sep 30, 4:26pm
Reality says
Your analysis was so dire, I figured something must be off. Then I hit on this:
Tanker capacities are sometimes stated in cubic meters, but this can be confusing because this is cubic meters of liquid not gas.
Using the conversions from this page, I calculated that an average LNG tanker (150,000 cm) contains 94.4 million cubic meters of uncompressed gas. Perhaps some one can check my work. So the methane expands over 629 times from its volume at -162 deg C (LNG transport temperature). The 43,333 tanker-loads is replaced by a more reasonable 69 trips. I think....
From this page, looks like I am in the right neighborhood:
The LNG carriers are two units with capacity of 174 thousand cubic meters each, which means the size of the cargo that each vessel will be able to transport is approximately 100 mcm after regasification.
Thanks for the info, which makes the situation even more dire than my analysis above showed.
Your analysis was so dire, I figured something must be off. Then I hit on this:
Tanker capacities are sometimes stated in cubic meters, but this can be confusing because this is cubic meters of liquid not gas.
Using the conversions from this page, I calculated that an average LNG tanker (150,000 cm) contains 94.4 million cubic meters of uncompressed gas. Perhaps some one can check my work. So the methane expands over 629 times from its volume at -162 deg C (LNG transport temperature). The 43,333 tanker-loads is replaced by a more reasonable 69 trips. I think....
From this page, looks like I am in the right neighborhood:
The LNG carriers are two units with capacity of 174 thousand cubic meters each, which means the size of the cargo that each vessel will be able to transport is approximately 100 mcm after regasification.
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Reality
2022 Sep 30, 4:57pm
EBGuy says
I see. That's very good news indeed. Sub-100 round trips by the tanker fleet is much more feasible than 40k+ round trip by worldwide total of 641 tankers (many of which, perhaps the majority, are smaller than 150k cubic meters).
That solves the 6.5 billion cubic meter (gas) pipeline feed source, sufficient for the three Baltic States (less than 10 million population combined). Poland needs about 26 billion cubic meters (gas) for its 38 million population, and Germany needs about 55 billion cubic meters (gas) for its 80+ million population. About half of the annual total has to be delivered in the winter season.
Tanker capacities are sometimes stated in cubic meters, but this can be confusing because this is cubic meters of liquid not gas.
I see. That's very good news indeed. Sub-100 round trips by the tanker fleet is much more feasible than 40k+ round trip by worldwide total of 641 tankers (many of which, perhaps the majority, are smaller than 150k cubic meters).
That solves the 6.5 billion cubic meter (gas) pipeline feed source, sufficient for the three Baltic States (less than 10 million population combined). Poland needs about 26 billion cubic meters (gas) for its 38 million population, and Germany needs about 55 billion cubic meters (gas) for its 80+ million population. About half of the annual total has to be delivered in the winter season.
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Reality
2022 Sep 30, 5:18pm
socal2 says
That explanation makes no sense: there is not nearly enough oxidizer in the pipeline to create an explosion that would register 2+ on the Richter Scale. A 200lb ice ball hitting the pipe wall in the bend won't register on the seismograph tens of miles away at all. If methane hydrates exploded on its own on the sea floor, there would be explosions on the sea floor all the time, and the seismograph would be registering them all the time . . . in that case there would be no point for NATO/US to have a dense network of listening devices on the Baltic sea floor to listen for all potential sorties by Soviet submarines coming out. The entire Baltic sea floor has been covered by the dense network of sensors, so we have been told as one of the good uses of taxpayer money during the Cold War.
Pretty reasonable argument suggesting that the pipeline explosion was an accident due to Russia's legendary incompetence.
- Gas kept in the pipe for months and months which could form hydrate crystals that could cause an explosion while Russia tried to drain the pipe.
- 2 explosions 17 hours apart relatively close together? What type of attack is that knowing that Russia would have had vessels at the site within short order?
- Russia is not making a big fuss blaming Ukraine or screaming at the UN about it.
https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
That explanation makes no sense: there is not nearly enough oxidizer in the pipeline to create an explosion that would register 2+ on the Richter Scale. A 200lb ice ball hitting the pipe wall in the bend won't register on the seismograph tens of miles away at all. If methane hydrates exploded on its own on the sea floor, there would be explosions on the sea floor all the time, and the seismograph would be registering them all the time . . . in that case there would be no point for NATO/US to have a dense network of listening devices on the Baltic sea floor to listen for all potential sorties by Soviet submarines coming out. The entire Baltic sea floor has been covered by the dense network of sensors, so we have been told as one of the good uses of taxpayer money during the Cold War.
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Bd6r
2022 Sep 30, 5:19pm
Bd6r
2022 Sep 30, 5:19pm
Reality says
As far as I know, pipeline from Norway will be filled with Norwegian nat gas, so Halifax is irrelevant. US nat gas goes to Butinge.
Because all the talks have been about replacing Russian gas with LNG shipment from the US. Halifax was actually a very optimistic loading location, as the gas pipeline through New England is already severely capacity-limited in winter even without any offloading onto tankers in Halifax. Any loading port south of NYC would add 1000+ miles shipping distance, requiring 33+% more tankers for the same flow rate.
As far as I know, pipeline from Norway will be filled with Norwegian nat gas, so Halifax is irrelevant. US nat gas goes to Butinge.
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Reality
2022 Sep 30, 5:42pm
Bd6r says
Unloading at Butinge would just add 200-400 miles to the trip, compared to unloading on Norwegian coast, in the mistaken analysis I did above (I didn't realize the 150,000 cubic meter capacity quoted for those ships was liquid NG volume not gaseous NG volume) but does make economic sense when shipping capacity is not the limiting factor.
If Norway can export enough additional natural gas to Germany and Poland to replace entirely what was delivered by NS-1 (and NS-2 in the near future), cutting the Nordstream lines won't hurt/kill as many Germans and Poles in the coming winter as I initially thought would be the case. The shipping distance from Norway to Polish terminal is much shorter than from the US, even by LNG tankers. A big "If."
As far as I know, pipeline from Norway will be filled with Norwegian nat gas, so Halifax is irrelevant. US nat gas goes to Butinge.
Unloading at Butinge would just add 200-400 miles to the trip, compared to unloading on Norwegian coast, in the mistaken analysis I did above (I didn't realize the 150,000 cubic meter capacity quoted for those ships was liquid NG volume not gaseous NG volume) but does make economic sense when shipping capacity is not the limiting factor.
If Norway can export enough additional natural gas to Germany and Poland to replace entirely what was delivered by NS-1 (and NS-2 in the near future), cutting the Nordstream lines won't hurt/kill as many Germans and Poles in the coming winter as I initially thought would be the case. The shipping distance from Norway to Polish terminal is much shorter than from the US, even by LNG tankers. A big "If."
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NuttBoxer
2022 Sep 30, 7:28pm
NuttBoxer
2022 Sep 30, 7:28pm
What does Ukraine, the CIA, and M6 have on you guys, that you go to such extreme lengths to avoid the most obvious explanations? Did you all chart a trip on the Lolita express together or something?
This is what propaganda does to people. You can't admit you were fooled, because it's so damaging to your ego, so you double down on the lies, and logic gymnastics, rather than admit you were wrong. And because we have a bunch of sociopaths running things, this type of behavior is encouraged because it fosters extremism, and keeps the fingers pointed at each other.
Meanwhile, the NWO keep killing innocent Russians and Ukrainians. Europeans are getting squeezed into poverty, and billions of dollars are being laundered every month, robbing all of us. And none of you give a shit, because you're too busy justifying why you fell for such an obvious con.
Wake the fuck up! When you agree with every mainstream media outlet, every WEF leader, and the most senile person ever to set foot in the White House, you are wrong!
This is what propaganda does to people. You can't admit you were fooled, because it's so damaging to your ego, so you double down on the lies, and logic gymnastics, rather than admit you were wrong. And because we have a bunch of sociopaths running things, this type of behavior is encouraged because it fosters extremism, and keeps the fingers pointed at each other.
Meanwhile, the NWO keep killing innocent Russians and Ukrainians. Europeans are getting squeezed into poverty, and billions of dollars are being laundered every month, robbing all of us. And none of you give a shit, because you're too busy justifying why you fell for such an obvious con.
Wake the fuck up! When you agree with every mainstream media outlet, every WEF leader, and the most senile person ever to set foot in the White House, you are wrong!
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Patrick
2022 Sep 30, 7:33pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 30, 7:33pm
Good summary @NuttBoxer
NuttBoxer says
I'm very impressed at the logic gymnastics required to blame Putin for an act of sabotage which is 100% in favor of the US deep state.
1. Biden: "I am going to have the Nordstream pipeline destroyed! Ha ha."
2. Biden orders pipeline destroyed.
3. PDS crowd: "Look at what Putin did!"
NuttBoxer says
logic gymnastics
I'm very impressed at the logic gymnastics required to blame Putin for an act of sabotage which is 100% in favor of the US deep state.
1. Biden: "I am going to have the Nordstream pipeline destroyed! Ha ha."
2. Biden orders pipeline destroyed.
3. PDS crowd: "Look at what Putin did!"
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NuttBoxer
2022 Sep 30, 7:46pm
NuttBoxer
2022 Sep 30, 7:46pm
This forum was a ray of light and sanity through the scamdemic. To see people fall to propaganda who held strong these past two years, it just feels like such a step backwards.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 30, 7:50pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 30, 7:50pm
Like I joked before, it lends credence to the idea of mind control through vaxxing and 5G.
I don't really believe that's possible, but this does seem like exactly the kind of use the oligarchy would have for it.
I don't really believe that's possible, but this does seem like exactly the kind of use the oligarchy would have for it.
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AD
2022 Sep 30, 8:52pm
AD
2022 Sep 30, 8:52pm
I've been tracking the ticker UNG but also natural gas companies like Devon and Suncor.
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Onvacation
2022 Sep 30, 8:55pm
Onvacation
2022 Sep 30, 8:55pm
GNL says
Escort.
WookieMan says
Hell my wife makes more than engineers, doctors and attorneys golfing, taking people out to lunch and sitting at conferences. I don't consider it work, but good for her and good for me.
Pharma sales rep, correct?
Escort.
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Bd6r
2022 Sep 30, 9:17pm
Bd6r
2022 Sep 30, 9:17pm
Patrick says
a simpler question is who benefits from destroying the pipeline (stronger argument, I believe, than ramblings of a senile geezer). The simplest possible answer is other nat gas producers
the only thing that does not compute with me is that Trump managed to shut this pipeline down, then Bidet reopens it, only to blow up? that tells me it may be a player other than usa which blew it up, but then again, we have woke idiots in power who may act illogically. Finally, I can not completely exclude Russian incompetence.
I'm very impressed at the logic gymnastics required to blame Putin for an act of sabotage which is 100% in favor of the US deep state.
1. Biden: "I am going to have the Nordstream pipeline destroyed! Ha ha."
2. Biden orders pipeline destroyed.
3. PDS crowd: "Look at what Putin did!"
a simpler question is who benefits from destroying the pipeline (stronger argument, I believe, than ramblings of a senile geezer). The simplest possible answer is other nat gas producers
the only thing that does not compute with me is that Trump managed to shut this pipeline down, then Bidet reopens it, only to blow up? that tells me it may be a player other than usa which blew it up, but then again, we have woke idiots in power who may act illogically. Finally, I can not completely exclude Russian incompetence.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 30, 10:09pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 30, 10:09pm
Bd6r says
America.
America does not want this war to end, and so it is in America's interest to prevent Putin from using the lure of turning on the gas to end the war.
Also in America's interest to have Europe more dependent on the US for energy.
who benefits from destroying the pipeline
America.
America does not want this war to end, and so it is in America's interest to prevent Putin from using the lure of turning on the gas to end the war.
Also in America's interest to have Europe more dependent on the US for energy.
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GNL
2022 Oct 1, 4:56am
GNL
2022 Oct 1, 4:56am
Doesn't the destruction of NS1 open up the possibility of retaliation by destroying other pipelines? There is such a thing as underwater drones, correct?
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richwicks
2022 Oct 1, 12:10pm
richwicks
2022 Oct 1, 12:10pm
socal2 says
Jesus Christ. The convoluted thinking people go through when they strain to trust this lying fucking government.
The US blew it up. There, that's the simplest explanation with the least number of assumptions.
Pretty reasonable argument suggesting that the pipeline explosion was an accident due to Russia's legendary incompetence.
- Gas kept in the pipe for months and months which could form hydrate crystals that could cause an explosion while Russia tried to drain the pipe.
- 2 explosions 17 hours apart relatively close together? What type of attack is that knowing that Russia would have had vessels at the site within short order?
- Russia is not making a big fuss blaming Ukraine or screaming at the UN about it.
https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
Jesus Christ. The convoluted thinking people go through when they strain to trust this lying fucking government.
The US blew it up. There, that's the simplest explanation with the least number of assumptions.
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AD
2022 Oct 1, 12:15pm
AD
2022 Oct 1, 12:15pm
richwicks says
The benefit of this is that now Germany and other European countries will hate the USA more as it hurts Germany, et al the most.
Its a political theater victory for them to pin this on the USA. Also Russia can just seal it off and divert all its natural gas to China, India, etc. China can sell Russian oil as well. Easy fix for Russia.
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The US blew it up. There, that's the simplest explanation with the least number of assumptions.
The benefit of this is that now Germany and other European countries will hate the USA more as it hurts Germany, et al the most.
Its a political theater victory for them to pin this on the USA. Also Russia can just seal it off and divert all its natural gas to China, India, etc. China can sell Russian oil as well. Easy fix for Russia.
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Ceffer
2022 Oct 1, 12:17pm
Ceffer
2022 Oct 1, 12:17pm
Now predictable Satanist inversion lying requires that they blame the victim as the perp. It's' another IQ test.
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AD
2022 Oct 1, 12:38pm
AD
2022 Oct 1, 12:38pm
Ceffer says
How does Russia financially get harmed from this pipeline sabotage ? Who gets hurt the most ? Germany ?
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Now predictable Satanist inversion lying requires that they blame the victim as the perp. It's' another IQ test.
How does Russia financially get harmed from this pipeline sabotage ? Who gets hurt the most ? Germany ?
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AD
2022 Oct 1, 2:07pm
AD
2022 Oct 1, 2:07pm
The Woke and Green Left hate Nord Stream. What is ironic is that Germany supposedly is as much left as Biden Admin yet it depends on that pipeline.
I wonder what the German population and its Left are saying now. Its hard to smirk and mock back at the Biden Admin as compared to Trump.
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I wonder what the German population and its Left are saying now. Its hard to smirk and mock back at the Biden Admin as compared to Trump.
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Patrick
2022 Oct 1, 2:29pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 1, 2:29pm
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/luongo-curious-whodunit-nordstreams-1-2
We can rule out the most idiotic takes, like the Russians blew up the pipelines themselves. Why blow up an asset which is literally your biggest piece of leverage on this particular game board when you can do what Putin has already done, shut off the taps?
The only people putting forth this idea are frothing neocons who never met a global problem they couldn’t blame on Putin.
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AD
2022 Oct 1, 2:50pm
AD
2022 Oct 1, 2:50pm
Patrick says
Russia was already reducing natural gas supply to Europe back in August as this headline reads "Nord Stream 1: Russia switches off gas pipeline citing maintenance"
Its a political war as much, and creating a rift between Germany and the USA is achieved by making Germans pay a lot more for natural gas imported from the USA.
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The only people putting forth this idea are frothing neocons who never met a global problem they couldn’t blame on Putin.
Russia was already reducing natural gas supply to Europe back in August as this headline reads "Nord Stream 1: Russia switches off gas pipeline citing maintenance"
Its a political war as much, and creating a rift between Germany and the USA is achieved by making Germans pay a lot more for natural gas imported from the USA.
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Patrick
2022 Oct 1, 2:53pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 1, 2:53pm
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/no_author/who-profits-from-pipeline-terror/
Baltic Pipe will carry gas from Norway to Poland via Denmark. The maximum capacity is only 10 billion cubic meters, which happens to be ten times less than the volume supplied by NS and NS2. So Baltic Pipe may be enough for Poland, but carries no value for other EU customers.
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Bd6r
2022 Oct 1, 7:38pm
Bd6r
2022 Oct 1, 7:38pm
Patrick says
I like Putin Dick Suckers abbreviation better since PDS sufferers seem to be similar to Vaxxers
See their predictions putler will not attack--->ukraine will lose in 3 days--->ukraine will lose in 3 months none of this has happened and compare this with
Vaxx will make you immune--->will protect you against severe disease--->will protect you againt dying none of this has happened
Both of those FAITHS are logic and fact-free
If predictions based on ideology keep failing perhaps it is time to change the ideology
, Putin Derangement Syndrome, just like TDS. But you knew that.
I like Putin Dick Suckers abbreviation better since PDS sufferers seem to be similar to Vaxxers
See their predictions putler will not attack--->ukraine will lose in 3 days--->ukraine will lose in 3 months none of this has happened and compare this with
Vaxx will make you immune--->will protect you against severe disease--->will protect you againt dying none of this has happened
Both of those FAITHS are logic and fact-free
If predictions based on ideology keep failing perhaps it is time to change the ideology
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NuttBoxer
2022 Oct 1, 9:50pm
NuttBoxer
2022 Oct 1, 9:50pm
Good points. The one thing I've heard over and over from the people who seem the most objective, is it's really hard to tell what's going on over there. What's true and what are lies. So the most any of us should say is war is wrong, and we support whoever is for peace. Putin is no less or more evil than he's always been. Ukraine is no less or more corrupt than it always was, and governments still only love power, NOT people.
If we don't know shit, then we shouldn't be picking sides.
If we don't know shit, then we shouldn't be picking sides.
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richwicks
2022 Oct 1, 11:58pm
richwicks
2022 Oct 1, 11:58pm
ad says
You cannot trust western media to tell the truth. Western media is propaganda, nothing more. This story was likely planted by the CIA in preparation for blowing up the Nordstream pipelines.
Russia was already reducing natural gas supply to Europe back in August as this headline reads "Nord Stream 1: Russia switches off gas pipeline citing maintenance"
You cannot trust western media to tell the truth. Western media is propaganda, nothing more. This story was likely planted by the CIA in preparation for blowing up the Nordstream pipelines.
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AD
2022 Oct 2, 12:09am
AD
2022 Oct 2, 12:09am
richwicks says
I think you don't believe your own bullshit, and this is just some mental martial arts as far as what you post on Pat net.
Read RT's article below where even Russian-owned Gazprom stated it is shutting down due to maintenance.
https://www.rt.com/business/562081-russia-eu-gas-stopped/
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"Russian energy giant Gazprom announced on Friday the suspension of natural gas supplies to the EU via the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, for an indefinite period, due to technical malfunctions. The pipeline was supposed to restart on September 3 following repairs to its sole operating turbine.
According to the company, it received a warning from Russia’s industrial regulator Rostekhnadzor about the turbine failure. The problems were reportedly detected during maintenance work, and the pipeline will not be able to operate without proper repairs, according to Gazprom.
The Russian firm said it has informed German manufacturer Siemens about the turbine failure and the need for an overhaul.
Repairs on the Nord Stream 1 pipeline were originally scheduled from August 31 until September 3, prompting a full shutdown of gas flows to the EU."
You cannot trust western media
I think you don't believe your own bullshit, and this is just some mental martial arts as far as what you post on Pat net.
Read RT's article below where even Russian-owned Gazprom stated it is shutting down due to maintenance.
https://www.rt.com/business/562081-russia-eu-gas-stopped/
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"Russian energy giant Gazprom announced on Friday the suspension of natural gas supplies to the EU via the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, for an indefinite period, due to technical malfunctions. The pipeline was supposed to restart on September 3 following repairs to its sole operating turbine.
According to the company, it received a warning from Russia’s industrial regulator Rostekhnadzor about the turbine failure. The problems were reportedly detected during maintenance work, and the pipeline will not be able to operate without proper repairs, according to Gazprom.
The Russian firm said it has informed German manufacturer Siemens about the turbine failure and the need for an overhaul.
Repairs on the Nord Stream 1 pipeline were originally scheduled from August 31 until September 3, prompting a full shutdown of gas flows to the EU."
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richwicks
2022 Oct 2, 1:52am
richwicks
2022 Oct 2, 1:52am
ad says
It's a reflex at this point to see a claim without attribution to be disbelieved.
ad says
2 Sep, 2022 16:37 Is the date of that post. The first part of the article is:
They sent a turbine to Canada who delayed returning it:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/10/canada-to-return-repaired-nord-stream-1-turbine-expand-sanctions-on-russia.html
Published: Jul 10 20227:41 AM EDT
When they finally did, kaboom!
How about that?
I just ignore western media at this point. Don't you realize why I do?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
It's just manure. It's been manure for years:
https://www.worldtribune.com/archives/n-y-times-confirms-weapons-mass-destruction-iraq/
I get so tired of this. There is no media in the Western world in "corporate news". They lie FOREVER.
richwicks says
You cannot trust western media
I think you don't believe your own bullshit, and this is just some mental martial arts as far as what you post on Pat net.
It's a reflex at this point to see a claim without attribution to be disbelieved.
ad says
Read RT's article below where even Russian-owned Gazprom stated it is shutting down due to maintenance.
https://www.rt.com/business/562081-russia-eu-gas-stopped/
2 Sep, 2022 16:37 Is the date of that post. The first part of the article is:
The flow will not be restored on schedule due to a turbine failure, Gazprom says
They sent a turbine to Canada who delayed returning it:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/10/canada-to-return-repaired-nord-stream-1-turbine-expand-sanctions-on-russia.html
Published: Jul 10 20227:41 AM EDT
When they finally did, kaboom!
How about that?
I just ignore western media at this point. Don't you realize why I do?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
It's just manure. It's been manure for years:
https://www.worldtribune.com/archives/n-y-times-confirms-weapons-mass-destruction-iraq/
I get so tired of this. There is no media in the Western world in "corporate news". They lie FOREVER.
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stereotomy
2022 Oct 2, 10:24am
stereotomy
2022 Oct 2, 10:24am
Patrick says
Heavy with the Woo, especially when they proclaim all western gub'ments as puppets for the NWO/Davos/WEF.
I'm more convinced that the people running the US proxy war against Russia (Nuland and her coterie) are to the man and women descendants of Jews who fled Russia during the pogroms of the late 19th and early 20th century. They want to see Russia obliterated.
There was a post on PatNet about Nuland's backstory. It rings true. To her and her ilk, this is an apocalyptic battle/struggle against 1000 years of Russian persecution of the Ashkenazi Jews.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/luongo-curious-whodunit-nordstreams-1-2
We can rule out the most idiotic takes, like the Russians blew up the pipelines themselves. Why blow up an asset which is literally your biggest piece of leverage on this particular game board when you can do what Putin has already done, shut off the taps?
The only people putting forth this idea are frothing neocons who never met a global problem they couldn’t blame on Putin.
Heavy with the Woo, especially when they proclaim all western gub'ments as puppets for the NWO/Davos/WEF.
I'm more convinced that the people running the US proxy war against Russia (Nuland and her coterie) are to the man and women descendants of Jews who fled Russia during the pogroms of the late 19th and early 20th century. They want to see Russia obliterated.
There was a post on PatNet about Nuland's backstory. It rings true. To her and her ilk, this is an apocalyptic battle/struggle against 1000 years of Russian persecution of the Ashkenazi Jews.
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Ceffer
2022 Oct 2, 10:28am
Ceffer
2022 Oct 2, 10:28am
One maven speculator said the West wants nukes in Ukraine as an 'insurance fire' to cover up their criminal enterprise evidence, like Building 7 of WTC and the Pentagon auditors being conveniently liquidated by the non-planes on 9/11.
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Blasts detected near Nord Stream pipelines amid leak – Swedish seismologists
Scientists in Denmark and Sweden registered underwater explosions near the Nord Stream pipelines on Monday, when several major leaks were reported. Sabotage is now suspected as a key reason for the damage.
“There is no doubt that these were explosions,” seismologist Bjorn Lund with Sweden’s National Seismology Centre (SNSN) told public broadcaster SVT on Tuesday.
The Danish military released aerial footage of the leaks, showing large spots and visible bubbling in the water. Nord Stream 1 suffered two leaks northeast of the Danish island of Bornholm, while Nord Stream 2 was damaged south of Dueodde, a beach located at the island’s southernmost tip, the military noted.
Earlier in the day, Moscow said it has been looking into the reasons behind the leaks, suggesting the pipelines were targeted in an act of sabotage. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that currently “no option can be ruled out” on the causes of the incident.
The Nord Stream 1 pipeline was completed in 2011. Construction work on Nord Stream 2 began in 2018, and suffered numerous delays due to political pressure and sanctions from the US. The pipeline was finished and pressurized in September 2021, but never actually got online.
Two days before the start of Russia’s military operation in Ukraine, the German government put its certification on indefinite hold, and has repeatedly rejected any suggestions, both domestic and from Moscow, to open the pipeline.
https://www.rt.com/russia/563614-explosions-detected-near-nordstream/