A shift from the far left back towards the center in Italy and Sweden

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2022 Sep 25, 9:49pm   6,876 views  78 comments

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ROME—A right-wing alliance led by Giorgia Meloni’s Brothers of Italy party looks set to win a clear majority in the next parliament, exit polls said on Sept. 25 after voting ended in an Italian national election.

Meloni, as leader of the largest coalition party, was also likely to become Italy’s first female prime minister.

An exit poll for state broadcaster RAI said the bloc of conservative parties, that also includes Matteo Salvini’s League and Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party, won between 41 percent and 45 percent, enough to guarantee control of both houses of parliament.


In Sweden, a bastion of tolerance, a nationalist and anti-immigrant party is on the cusp of joining a right-wing coalition in government.

The corporate media always mislabels the center as "right wing".

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3   Ceffer   2022 Sep 26, 12:18am  

Patrick says

Meloni, as leader of the largest coalition party, was also likely to become Italy’s first female prime minister.

She is NEVER going to look good with a Hitler mustache. Can't they find somebody more Hitler mustache friendly?
4   Misc   2022 Sep 26, 6:50am  

The horror...a moderate nationalist was elected.
5   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Sep 26, 6:58am  

the pacific headline reads like satire
7   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2022 Sep 26, 8:02am  

Gene therapy champions vacation in Italy.

8   Misc   2022 Sep 26, 8:09am  

Hope she lasts a while. The average life expectancy of an Italian government is about 6 months. She's gonna get blamed for all the bad stuff that's going to happen that is already baked into the cake.
9   Ceffer   2022 Sep 26, 8:18am  

Swiss land pirates and WEF economic hit men will trim her sails right away, and she will become another Klaus lap dog begging for cricket chew toys.
10   Tenpoundbass   2022 Sep 26, 8:34am  

Misc says

Hope she lasts a while. The average life expectancy of an Italian government is about 6 months. She's gonna get blamed for all the bad stuff that's going to happen that is already baked into the cake.

These Conservative winners of these elections, need to start blinking first and just pull and all out political assault and persecution of every opposition of their National movement. For they are only agents of destruction hell bent on weaponizing their laws and denying them due process to kick them out of office and put a NWO critter in there.

I say round them up and throw them in jail for at least 36 months without even an arraignment. Turn about is fair play. The global commies would not be able to say shit, as that's what they do. If she just lets these scumbags fester and stew and plot against her and the people of Italy it will be a grave mistake. It happens in every country that gets a sensible conservative government. Israel, Brazil, Peru, Poland, Italy everywhere. The average term is less than 12 months before they are over thrown through perversion of their federal laws.
11   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 1:07pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

the pacific headline reads like satire

It is satire. The Pacific is mocking The Atlantic magazine.
13   Hircus   2022 Sep 26, 1:31pm  

npc media is losing their shit over her. "far right fascistic mean bad woman linked to nazis" yada yada...

I love it.
15   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 2:03pm  


Meloni exposes real reason Clinton took out Qaddafi - his decision to create a currency based on gold. From 2019.

16   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 5:21pm  


“We’ll see. If things go in a difficult direction, I spoke about Poland and Hungary, we have tools. If things go in the right direction…”
— Little miss führer (on Italian polls favoring the populist right)

Little miss führer Translation: “You vil vote how we say, or we have vays of making you vote how we say.” ...

But when more countries follow in Hungary, Sweden, and Italy’s wake and shift away from Globopsycho’s handmaidens, and when the people of Europe finally wake up to the fact that all of these globalist fellators want them injected with deadly toxins or freezing to death in winter or broke from inflation and energy bills, between Giorgia Meloni and Little miss führer, I don’t think it will be Meloni who meets the same fate as Mussolini.

And that Good Citizens would be Bellissima.
17   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 5:25pm  


ursula von faschist and the commission of doom
always accuse the other side of that which you are guilty ...

watching the explosive cases of the vapors breaking out all over europe as country after country shifts right in attempts to save themselves from technocratic and ideological domination driven ruin endlessly foisted upon them by the cool kids table at davos is getting quite instructive.

but perhaps even more so is the gross and utter revisionism and false claims and history being engaged in by these flailing fascisti as they contemplate their fall from grace and loss of power. ...

if you cannot see how ESG, DEI, and green grift are all fascist and totalitarian structures proudly purveyed and pushed by a group of left wing ideologues who echo nothing so much as folks like wilson (who set the whole fascist movement into motion in the teens) and came to power and prominence by accelerating, exacerbating, and elongating a global depression that generated so much pain for so many people that they were willing to surrender sovereignty, rights, and autonomy just to feed themselves and make the trains run on time then may i invite you to go take a look at what is going on all over the world right now.

this is way past “history rhyming a bit.”

i suspect this is WHY the left is railing against it so vociferously.

but like so many things in the “streisand effect denier” universe, this line of endless evergreen projection has become so threadbare that no one outside the ever shrinking echo chamber could possibly credit it any longer.

being called a "fascist" by the actual fascists has become a badge of honor, a shibboleth for being on the side of liberty and the center is increasingly onside with this interpretation an unafraid of such accusation. ...

18   Ceffer   2022 Sep 26, 5:34pm  

Hmm, von der Layen really is Buchenwald Ursula.
19   Patrick   2022 Sep 27, 10:44am  


ITALY — With the election of right-wing candidate Giorgia Meloni as Italy's first female Prime Minister, the Left has announced they no longer support strong, independent women.

"This is an absolute disaster. Maybe women do belong in the kitchen," said Italian Leftist Atlantic contributor Gianna Mozzarella. "If we had spent less time empowering women, maybe we could have stopped this far, far-right, right-wing fascist, far-extremist far, far, Nazi right-extremist right-winger from getting elected."

Experts in the EU, the World Economic Forum, and famed supervillain organization Spectre are warning that Meloni is extremely dangerous. "We can't overstate just how far, far, far-right extremist and fascist this extremist fascist far-right woman really is," said WEF Founder Klaus Schwab. "She is a danger to our glorious dream of a New World Order because she believes in things like family and the infinite worth of the individual — which, I must remind you — are things only fascists believe in."
20   Patrick   2022 Sep 27, 11:01am  


Sep 26
If you’re wondering why all the worst people on the planet are having a meltdown over Giorgia Meloni’s victory in the Italian elections last night, here’s why:

21   Patrick   2022 Sep 27, 11:12am  


"Welcome. It's a pleasure. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I just arrived. I was doing the ironing. Then I found 10 minutes to come and talk about politics with you.”

(A joke- aimed at the corporate press and protest trope that was being deployed to attack her and the conference at that time)

"And really, this great attendance, in spite of all of the controversy, is the best response you could have given to the protesters that are protesting this meeting. Thank you to everyone for their work. Thank you to Brian Brown, Jacopo Coghe, Tony Brandi, and Massimo Gandolfini. Thank you to everyone who has allowed this event to take place. Thank you for not giving in. Thank you for the courage. Thank you for the determination, not just today but for many years.

Your work, along with the work of many other associations, has helped to keep certain issues that were destined to be removed from politics. You have kept these issues alive, active, and present.

They said all sorts of things about this Congress. They said we want to go back to the past. That we're losers. That we're embarrassing. That we're unenlightened.

They said it's scandalous for people to defend the natural family founded on marriage, to want to increase the birth rate, to want to place the correct value on human life, to support freedom and education, and to say no to gender ideology. I will send right back to the sender each of these accusations.

I think that the ones who want to go back to the past are those trying to bring back censorship by trying to stop an event like this taking place. I think it's unenlightened when a state (or a nation state), which is usually willing to sponsor any old thing, even exhibitions featuring a crucifix immersed in a beaker of pee, is ashamed to sponsor an event like this.

I say the losers are those with nothing better to do than come here and insult us while we talk about what we can do for the Italian family. But above all I say the embarrassing ones are not us. The embarrassing ones are those who support practices like 'Womb for rent,' abortion at nine months, and blocking the development of children with drugs at 11 years of age. That is embarrassing.

They said all sorts of things about this Congress. That we want to limit the freedom of women. That we want them at home doing the ironing. Can you see me at home doing the ironing? Do you think that I, the only female party secretary in Italy, who was a candidate for mayor of Rome while pregnant, for which I was criticized, do you think I want women to be chained to goodness knows where? It's exactly the opposite.

We want to guarantee rights that today don't exist. The right of a woman to be a mother and not to have to give up working as a result. The right to be a mother, choose not to work and not starve to death as a result. The right of a woman forced to have an abortion because she has no alternatives to have that alternative. Because it's not true that a woman's freedom to choose is guaranteed. If a woman only has the option to abort, that isn't the freedom to choose. The freedom to choose means having a choice. And that's what we want to guarantee.

We're here to defend women, to defend the family, to ask for things that we brought to parliament, like the 'Infant's income,' which we believe in more than the citizen's income. I say that sincerely. Funding for people who have children, because the whole of society benefits. We have proposed free nursery schools, open until shops close, and on Saturdays to give mothers who work another option. We've asked for the full application of Law 194 for the reasons I mentioned, so economic support can be provided to women who commit to and who prefer carrying their pregnancy to term, including in case of adoption.

We have called for a moratorium at the UN to declare 'Womb for rent' a universal crime, because that really is degrading and abusive of women. We want to bring this issue to Europe. It's scandalous that one of the EU's priorities for funding is not the birth rate. The low birth rate is the biggest problem facing Europe. If we do not address this, everything else we do is pointless. If the EU has an Erasmus program for student mobility, if it has a Horizon program for science, it can't have a program for families? To increase the birth rate, to invest in resources in the birth rate. But they think everything we propose is crazy. They think it's unenlightened, that we want to take away rights. They talk of the Middle Ages. You know the Middle Ages was also the time of the cathedrals and the abbeys, the founding of the comuni, the universities, the parliament, the epoch of Dante, Petrach, Boccaccio, Saint Francis, Saint Benedict. People who don't know where Matera is, let's not expect them to have read history books.

We have been attacked on a personal level. I've also been attacked. “You should be ashamed of yourself. You should talk about family based on marriage and then you had a child out of wedlock”. Yes, I also talk about large families but only have one child. Ironically, when they say these things they actually strengthen your position. It only shows that what I'm calling for will not benefit me personally. I'm calling for what I think will benefit Italian society.

I believe the state should incentivize the natural family based on marriage. And if I'm not married, I do not expect the state to extend to me the same privileges that it does to married couples. That's the point. Pay attention.

The point is I believe in a society where every choice has consequences and you accept responsibility for them. I reject a society where every desire becomes a right, every whim becomes a right, where I have no responsibilities, I have only rights. I reject it. It's wrong.

And I think it says a lot because I don't adopt a religious approach to any of this. I believe in God but I don't adopt a religious approach. Why should I? I fight these battles because of secular common sense. I am a person who asks myself uncomfortable and profound questions. And I want answers to these questions that are credible. And all too often the high priests of single thinking are incapable of giving answers that make sense. And I have dozens of these questions.

Is it right for a society to spend more energy and resources trying to find quick and easy ways to get rid of human life, rather than trying to encourage it? Is that normal? Is that civilized? Is that right that you, correctly, cannot rip a newborn puppy from the bosom of its mother but you can with a baby, the child of a desperate mother who sold it to two rich men? Why do Italian courts take away legal custody from two married parents? The natural parents of a baby girl, saying they are too old to raise her at 52 and 54, taking away their natural daughter. But if two men over 50 go abroad and buy a child, that's fine. Why? Why? Why?

Why, if they told us that the father of Eluana Englaro should be free to disconnect the plug that kept her alive, because no one knows better than a parent what is best for their child. Why did the same not apply to the parents of Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans?

Why is the winner always the one who wants to disconnect the plug? Why is the winner always death? If the life of a sick child like Alfie Evans is defined as pointless, how long before they define as pointless the life of a disabled or elderly person, or anyone who doesn't correspond to the idea of the perfect consumer? How long? Why do we spend our time fighting all types of discrimination but we pretend to not see the greatest ongoing persecution, the genocide of the world's Christians? Why? Please answer me these questions.

This is about what we're doing here today. Why is the family an enemy? Why is the family so frightening? There's a single answer to all these questions. Because it defines us. Because it is our identity. Because everything that defines us is now an enemy for those who would like us to no longer have an identity and to simply be perfect consumer slaves. And so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity, they attack gender identity, they attack family identity.

I can't define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother. No. I must be citizen X, gender X, parent 1, parent 2. I must be a number. Because when I am only a number, when I no longer have an identity or roots, then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators. The perfect consumer. That is the reason why.

That's why we inspire so much fear. That's why this event inspires so much fear. Because we do not want to be numbers. We will defend the value of the human being. Every single human being. Because each of us has a unique genetic code that is unrepeatable. And like it or not, that is sacred. We will defend it. We will defend God, country, and family. Those things that disgust people so much. We will do it to defend our freedom because we will never be slaves and simple consumers at the mercy of financial speculators. That is our mission. That is why I came here today. Chesterton wrote, more than a century ago. Let's see if I can find it. 'Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer.' The time has arrived. We are ready.

Thank you.

Infinite thanks.
23   Patrick   2022 Sep 27, 12:50pm  


Here's how the New York Times reported Mussolini's rise to power 100 years ago
The Times is HORRIFIED by Giorgia Meloni's victory, screaming that it harks back to the swift ascent of Mussolini—which, back then, THRILLED the New York Times

Here’s how the Times reported Mussolini’s victory 100 years ago:
Scholar and Editor, Self Taught, Is Premier at Thirty-Eight ...

To interview Benito Mussolini is not only to interview Italy’s “Man of the Hour,” but Italy’s “Man of Tomorrow.” He is that person, to the lack of whom Italy has long attributed her political misfortune—a strong man.

Mussolini has brought into the Italian situation that which it has lacked, and his achievements are proof of which discipline and organization, guided by an indomitable will, personal fearlessness, profound learning, straight thinking, [and] direct action can do.

For the full half-page article, including an adulatory photo of Il Duce...
24   Booger   2022 Sep 27, 1:09pm  


Hitler is informed Italy elects most far-right government since WW2
26   Patrick   2022 Sep 27, 3:57pm  


Let's see… she's pro-family, anti-LGBT indoctrination, pro-life, country over globalism, and she quotes Chesterton.

That's not Mussolini 2.0. That's what every Western leader believed until 5 minutes ago.

Now, I am not endorsing everything Meloni has ever done and said. Frankly, I don't know much about her apart from what I've seen the last couple days. But if THIS is the kind of stuff the Left is worried about, I wish it would come here.
27   Patrick   2022 Sep 27, 8:20pm  


I still don't know for sure that Meloni is one of the good guys. Her speech was excellent though.
28   Patrick   2022 Sep 27, 9:55pm  

This article argues that Meloni has no power, and that Italy is actually run from Brussels and DC.
30   AD   2022 Sep 27, 11:28pm  

Patrick says

Goes well with "threat to democracy" = "threat to Democrat party"

31   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Sep 28, 5:22am  

Ceffer says

now that i know that npc guy is from pbs logo, i can’t stop laughing at it even more
33   Patrick   2022 Sep 28, 3:36pm  

Flashback 2018: Meloni On Macron & The Illegal Invasion

original link
34   Patrick   2022 Sep 28, 3:38pm  

Meloni is right. The global corporations want to abolish the family.
35   Patrick   2022 Sep 28, 7:44pm  

This article claims Meloni was always against forced injections:


She has always expressed doubts about the appropriateness and efficacy of vaccination (denouncing the dictatorship of vaccinists: “whoever has doubts is treated as a terrorist”), caution towards an unverified fluid (“this is a vaccine in trial, which ends in 2023”), respect for the theories of Professor and Nobel Laureate virologist Dr. Luc Montagnier, total opposition to the vaccination of children, as well as an argued criticism of personal restrictions and forced closures of production activities. Unlike other self-styled liberal politicians, she and her party have always voted against bills that, in various forms, pushed for anti-covid vaccination, finally opposing the infamous decree of January 7, 2022, that required it by law. ...

Were many of the deaths that plagued these two and a half years of pandemic avoidable?

Why did the political and health authorities substantially inhibit the use, especially at home, of drugs that, evidence in hand as early as April 2020, cured the disease, saving lives and also avoiding hospitalizations?

Why was the vaccine injected in the absence of genuine informed consent? Why has the state never assumed legal and legal responsibility for the mass inoculation that it was more or less imposing on citizens?

Why have the data on the efficacy (or ineffectiveness) of vaccines not yet been made public?

Or maybe that data hasn't even been scientifically collected?

Why have vaccinating doctors systematically, stubbornly and a priori denied (with superficiality, arrogance and violence befitting bureaucrats and not doctors) the exemption from vaccination to people with health problems who advised against it?

Why did the political-health institutions literally demonize those who, for clinical or other reasons, did not want to take this pseudovaccines?

Why did those same institutions go so far as to impose – Italy as the unique case among Western countries – indiscriminate vaccination by law, and not only by type of work activity?

And then, how much are the economic damage caused by the closures that have been imposed on entrepreneurs?

What interests lie behind the exclusion of any early (and therefore home) therapy that did not provide for the useless "watchful wait" and the inevitable consequent hospitalization?

And so why, if the main problem seemed to be the clogging of hospitals, did the state not favor any therapeutic attempt at home, rather than relying on the sequence that led to resuscitation and intubation?

And again: how much will it cost the health system to treat the negative side effects caused by vaccines? ...

The epidemiologists who praised this mass "vaccination" from zero to one hundred years of age behaved in line with their dogmatic and positivistic theories, closed in their methodological dullness, and the same goes for the bureaucrats. But the politicians who they imposed that indiscriminate inoculation with the experimental fluid, indelibly staining their public image, they broke the trust that the citizens of libertarian and conservative orientation had in them, in the place of which a profound mistrust took over, at best, and, at worst, an unshakable reproof.

Those politicians who, froth at the mouth, have sadistically and opportunistically forced the population into the hateful blackmail of having to undergo a vaccine that has proved useless and harmful in equal proportion, have torn up the personal freedom with which they had hitherto filled that one same mouth. ...

A good psychoanalytic investigation would show how in weak minds (and even more so in sadistically perverse ones) emergencies become an opportunity to vent resentments and to subrogate frustrations, like that minister who gloated in front of the cameras for the restrictive measures that would have locked up the unvaccinated like mice , that virologist who called for an amnesty for the unvaccinated (as if they had committed a crime), that avid vaccinist politician, capable only of repeating like a mantra: science tells us (yes, the bureaucratized science that peddled nonsense for get to mass inoculation?) or that mayor of a north-Italian city who equated the unvaccinated even with deserters to be shot. This long sampling of mental horrors (and deviances) corresponds to a specific psycho-political-social typology, and is connected to the delirium of omnipotence of scientism (degenerative disease of science) as well as to the devastating arrogance of many politicians. ...

Giorgia Meloni had the courage to highlight this crucial aspect, with a few but decisive lines (January 7, 2022), denouncing the dictatorship of the vaccination obligation (and then there is still someone who accuses Meloni of fascism):

“or you sign the informed consent by taking responsibility for a vaccination that is in fact imposed on you, or they take away the bread from the teeth of you and your children. This is not an obligation: it is State extortion. Where have the libertarians of this Nation gone? Where have the champions of the Constitution gone? Is it possible that they are all silent, bent with fear? Because here the issue is no longer the vaccine: the issue is what kind of society we are going towards. I do not intend to live under a para-Chinese model and I want to fight because we do not intend to mediate with anyone on rights and principles”.
36   WookieMan   2022 Sep 28, 8:03pm  

Patrick says

This article argues that Meloni has no power, and that Italy is actually run from Brussels and DC.

Probably true. Italy is a shit hole and so are its people. I'm not talking Sopranos type characters either. They're just generally bad people from my experience. Almost all of them are shady in business that I've dealt with.

I like Greeks the best out of Europe. Though they tend to be drunks. So do Italians though I suppose. The French can eat dick on a stick. But if given a choice for a European trip, Greece is #1.

Sorry, the Caribbean, Mexico and Central America are hot spots for Euros so I've met quite a few. Obviously an expensive trip for them, but they're generally all snobs. Don't tip (I know they don't at home), but those people make dick serving you food and drinks at a resort. Toss them some cash. Brits and Italians are the most entitled cunts on the planet when it comes to service industry.
37   richwicks   2022 Sep 28, 8:15pm  

WookieMan says

Brits and Italians are the most entitled cunts on the planet when it comes to service industry.

I've worked in the service industry when I was 18.

Don't piss off your server, EVER. If you don't like the service, you can explain what was wrong, politely and constructively, ONCE you have gotten the food and don't return if you think you've pissed them off.

What you should get used to, is being nice, considerate and polite.
38   gabbar   2022 Sep 29, 4:38am  

Patrick says

The corporate media always mislabels the center as "right wing".

Right wing Patrick says

The corporate media always mislabels the center as "right wing".

So if you are pro-country, you are right wing. However, if you are anti-country and a globalist, you are a Democrat. WTF.
39   gabbar   2022 Sep 29, 6:29am  

I don't understand why a country like Italy would have a recent large group of Chinese immigrants. How are Chinese immigrants compatible and good for Italy? Glad to hear about Meloni. I have been cheering her on. I expect EU and Brandon to go after her.
40   Hircus   2022 Sep 29, 6:50am  

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Brits and Italians are the most entitled cunts on the planet when it comes to service industry.

I've worked in the service industry when I was 18.

Don't piss off your server, EVER. If you don't like the service, you can explain what was wrong, politely and constructively, ONCE you have gotten the food and don't return if you think you've pissed them off.

What you should get used to, is being nice, considerate and polite.

So true. I had friends who worked in food service, and they all agreed that the raving idiot talking condescendingly to staff routinely got a spit burger. It was common.

I'm always very polite and friendly to them. It's either that or I just leave.

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