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Tenpoundbass says

I don't get the gripe against the boomers. It's an over generalization. In the eighties we knew it was the Yuppies(Professional Boomers in their 30's) that were destroying America and exporting our jobs for a profit. We didn't blame everyone born in 1945. We knew exactly who we were pissed off at.

As for Gen-X being the next target, that doesn't surprise me at all. Gen-X are pragmatic, self starters, self reliant, are accountable for their actions, and are very knowledgeable in the field of their endeavors. That alone makes us Toxic to the shiftless pathetic, useless, loafing layabouts on the Left.

There's no doubt the boomers fucked up a lot and the OP is wrong on many fronts. The boomers heydays are like a caricature out of the brilliant movie hot tub time machine: they were living it up in today for most unaffordable ski resorts, drinking, snorting coke and adopting every fad on the planet, 100% formula fed babies (cause fuck breast milk), those weird "exercise" machines you don't see anymore and many more highlights. They saw the biggest economic and technological advances, and all they came up with to make with all the dough was socialism. And as they aged they supported every foreign war, every raise of the debt ceiling and every increase of taxation of the middle and upper class they once belonged to. Worst is they embrace a lot of the leffoid woke bullshit and are blaming their fuck ups and monetary insanity on globull warming and climate change to distract from their doings. Medicine has become unaffordable under the boomers, a total racket, and they peddled a lot of the covid lockdown and jab insanity. Their one job was the minute the "you're killing grandma" lie was coined to stand up and show the erect middle finger to all those power hungry leftoids, defending their offspring. Instead they went with it. Shame on them lol

wut

Dude, bring it on.

Most Milliefucks run their mouths because the many of them have never gotten a punch in the face when they wised off to the wrong person.

Once wise ass Hipster Millefuck said "Cool Story, Bro" to me and my coworkers once, and I said "I got another cool story for you about a deviated septum. It's multimedia, and I'll tell you outside right now." Little fucker (this was like 10 years ago) couldn't flee with his stupid 19th Century bartender mustache fast enough.

AmericanKulak says

Dude, bring it on.

Most Milliefucks run their mouths because the Hipsters have never gotten a punch in the face.

Once wise ass Hipster Millefuck said "Cool Story, Bro" to me and my friends once, and I said "I got another cool story for you about a deviated septum. It's multimedia, and I'll tell you outside right now." Little fucker (this was like 10 years ago) couldn't flee with his stupid 19th Century bartender mustache fast enough.

Millenials are completely fucked up, so is part of Gen Z. Everything is a generalization, but I'd go with Gen X and their grandparents generation as the only recent solid ones.

I like Gen Z much better than Millfucks as a group, or at least I've run into far better examples. I know many Gen Z chicks are already irredemable Slores, but then again, so are many Millies and some Gen X girls. The further you get from 1990 (ie before 1985), the better the Millies generally are. About 2-3 years around 1990 are where you find the worst of the worst.

People dump on the younger generation too much, just because they are dumb, stupid, kids. We were ALL dumb stupid kids at one point.

I have a great deal of hope with Z and the millennials, because they are far more skeptical than I was at their age, and I'm complete cynic now.

Generation X isn't as gullible as the Boomers are, or as obedient, and I'm certain the millenials and Z will be even better. These kids were indoctrinated like all of us were, but they have access to this communication tool, and because its so effective, there's desperate and pathetic attempts to censor it. I guarantee this won't work.

The boomers are mostly oblivious, which is weird, because in my experience, the Silent generation is NOT. My parents are from the Silent generation, they have ALMOST the same level of suspicion about government "authority", and supposed "experts" that I do. I know plenty of people in Y that are similar. VERY few boomers.

Seems many have missed the point of the OP that they have been successfully turned against the Boomers by simple minded, directed propaganda, focussing an inappropriate inter generational hostility. They have been had by the messaging agitprop social division demons.

Those same techniques will turn against the Gen X and other generic Gens as well when their time comes. Nobody give a shit about Gen X sanctimonious self image, any more than the subsequent generations have seen the Boomers in an appropriate light or perspective.

Its divisive vice versa, too, because the 'older' Gens are just as contemptuous and generalizing about the younger Gens.

richwicks says

I have a great deal of hope with Z and the millennials, because they are far more skeptical than I was at their age, and I'm complete cynic now.

Millies are the opposite of skeptical. They're generally more idealistic according to pretty much every survery done and it's not changing with age. They're the first generation not to become more suspicious and less naive about social justice and other childish values as they aged.

The 2020 Riots were disproportionally Millennials, a huge break as most riots until then featured predominately 18-23 year olds. I believe the average arrestee was 28, born in 1992.

Ceffer says

Seems many have missed the point of the OP that they have been successfully turned against the Boomers by simple minded, directed propaganda,

I wasn't.

The boomers are largely a generation that wouldn't listen to their elders, and wouldn't listen to their youngers. The nation has long been in trouble, and they are the generation that won't listen to this, and will actively deny it.

It wasn't propaganda that brought me to this conclusion, it was experience.

Ceffer says

Those same techniques will turn against the Gen X and other generic Gens as well when their time comes.

I bet it doesn't. I'll align myself with Gen Y and the millennials. I know they are ignorant, but I will talk to them, and explain their errors, and will listen to them to see if I am in error. Boomers refused to do this. They were a very arrogant generation that listened to nobody. There are exceptions of course, but largely, this is a generation that is so fucking arrogant, they just won't listen to anybody. They broke down a long line of knowledge because they wouldn't listen to anybody. A very arrogant generation, they thought they knew it all, and they wouldn't listen to anybody that pointed out that they didn't.

I know this directly. I've been called traitor and anti-American for opposing the Iraq War, and this was entirely allowed by the Boomers. The anti-war generation. What a joke. But I was right wasn't I? No reward for that at all. It's largely recognized as being an error, but there's no reward for being right, only reward for being a fucking go along get along asshole that promoted destruction.

I know there are exceptions, but they are incredibly rare. Bush should have been impeached at least, no support from the Boomers in this. He should have been executed along with most of his cabinet. You want to know why this nation is so fucking corrupt? It's because the largest voting block at that time approved and rewarded corruption and criminality.

Greed is good, right? Is it? Here we are.

Millennials far less conservative than Boomers and Xers during similar age points:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/financial-times-millennials-conservatives-age-b2253902.html


https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1608746369505976323?ref_src=patrick.net

AmericanKulak says

Millennials far less conservative than Boomers and Xers during similar age points:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/financial-times-millennials-conservatives-age-b2253902.html

Don't trust a report, talk to some millennials.

Don't argue, TALK.

We don't have a news media, we have constant unrelenting propaganda. Remember that Hillary Clinton has a 97% chance of winning, according to all "the polls".

We do not have a news media at all, it's just propaganda. They are depending on the Asch Conformity Experiment, but nobody in millennial and zoomer generation pays attention to it. We have a disconnect, finally.

richwicks says

Don't trust a report, talk to some millennials.

Don't argue, TALK.

I'd say the Millenial Lib:Con ratio is easily 2:1, and that's discounting my West Coast coworkers who are mostly Millie Leftoids.

Left Coast are not, Worse with just women and especially White Women in their 30s. The Millie guys aren't much better. And this is Central Florida, not Coastal California.

I posted the chart.

I know more Gen Z conservatives than Millennial ones. I have Black women I work with from Gen Z that say "Trump gave me money." Only ONE woman I work with in her 30s thinks Trump is okay, but she's a Central Florida Rural Gal. The rest of them are very social justice proper in their language - the White ones. Black gals don't give a shit about PC.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Don't trust a report, talk to some millennials.

Don't argue, TALK.

I'd say the Millenial Lib:Con ratio is easily 2:1.

I posted the chart.

I know more Gen Z conservatives than Millennial ones.

We are all stupid when we are young.

And this isn't about liberal or conservative, it's about being right and wrong. People who think there's 50+ genders, they are wrong. These are people who have been propagandized, but they were propagandized in my opinion due to neglect of parents.

richwicks says

We are all stupid when we are young.

Look at the chart again. Not only are Millennials in both the UK/US not becoming conservative, they're becoming more Left wing with age! And this isn't 1984 anymore when the difference was much smaller. This is with the Left aggressively standing for Ukraine, Masking, Universal Income, and Kid-elected Trans Surgery. As opposed to the 80s-2000s Left that was mostly Free Speech, Anti-Iraq War, anti-Nukes shit.



As many Millennials overwhelmingly fail to launch, even into their 30s, expect them to support more Left Wing support programs. Since they Support Current thing, and think Hate Speech isn't Free Speech, don't be surprised that they're fine with Social Credit Scores in return for UBI.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

We are all stupid when we are young.

Look at the chart again

Why do you trust what is told to you?

Do you believe that the vaccines are safe and effective and that masking works?

There's no credibility in western media. Maybe I can be more direct - our news media is propaganda. It's social and political propaganda, nothing else. They lie constantly. They make up bullshit and report it as true, constantly. Don't you remember that Kyle Rittenhouse was just a white racist that went to a riot to murder black men? That's our fucking media. There's NO TRUTH IN IT.

richwicks says

Why do you trust what is told to you?

Do you believe that the vaccines are safe and effective and that masking works?

There's no credibility in western media. Maybe I can be more direct - our news media is propaganda. It's social and political propaganda, nothing else. They lie constantly. They make up bullshit and report it as true, constantly. Don't you remember that Kyle Rittenhouse was just a white racist that went to a riot to murder black men? That's our fucking media. There's NO TRUTH IN IT.

Dude, it's based on exit polling.

It conforms with my experience on both coasts in the US among the workforce and neighbors.

Millennials are more left wing than previous generations and are apparently becoming more leftwing.

Something like 45% of Millie women are unmarried and Childless, and they're already entering their late 30s and some are entering their 40s now. Not many are going to start a family. Single, childless women are the most fertile ground for Leftism - especially those with college educations who make up a huge proportion of that segment.

Who is the outlier, over and over again?

Millennials... becoming more left wing over time.

Well it sounds like to me, everyone is in aggeeance that lifelong Liberal Boomers Suck Balls. Why limit that to Boomers? Can't you just shorten it to "Liberals Sucks Balls"?

All of the shit people are bitching about the Boomers, I don't see conservative Boomers fitting those molds. They didn't go for new fangled fads, they had no baring on the financial system, they didn't inflict their ideology on anyone, they kept to themselves, and made their own way. Not every Boomer, was a Harvey Milk dick sucker.

I'm a boomer and most of the ones I know aren't liberals; the females are another matter.
Boomers saw the creation if the EPA; we can remember when there was no recycling, leaded gasoline, sewage treatment plants being built, when catalytic converters were used.
I have some pictures I took in NYC in early 70's and you can see the air pollution; apartment buildings had trash incinerators.
Some smoked weed but quit; some drink booze a little bit. I can see the boozers on Facebook; they look very old.
None of the boomers I know had large families; two kids was their norm.
Except in Santa Cruz, the boomers are not using the welfare system.
Some boomers I know went to Viet Nam; one kid came back deceased.
The asshole politicians are not typical and some are older than boomers, like Turtle McConnell and his ancient ilk.

clambo says

Boomers saw the creation if the EPA; we can remember when there was no recycling, leaded gasoline, sewage treatment plants being built, when catalytic converters were used.

Boomer had about as much say in that, as everyone on Patnet had the power and authority to stop the Covid Scamdemic.

Good discussion. For the record I think unleaded gasoline was the right decision, not everything environmental agencies/projects come up with is bad. The data was very clear that many people, esp. kids since they are shorter, and those living near busy streets near ground level had much higher concentrations of lead in the blood which led to many and often serious health issues. But we went a long and wrong way from actually improving the health of everyone to equity and esg bullshit.

AmericanKulak says

Dude, it's based on exit polling.

Exit polling ended under George W. Bush. We don't have exit polling anymore.

mell says

Good discussion. For the record I think unleaded gasoline was the right decision, not everything environmental agencies/projects come up with is bad.

It was a knee jerk over reaction to toxic building materials. Lead paint, and Asbestos caused such a stir, that the "The New Thing" back then was putting on show to clean up the act. Besides every time they go on one of these clean up tangents, people get filthy rich in the process. Lead is pretty heavy, so having lead in your exhaust, does not suspend lead particles in the air. It falls back to the ground in short order.

Kids were getting lead poisoning from putting lead painted toys in their mouths, and eating lead paint chips. Funny how when I was kid, and even to this day. Lead fishing sinkers don't have a warning to not crimp them with your teeth. Which when I was kid I crimped thousands of them with my teeth. That surely would have put more lead in my body than the tiny amounts they put in Gasoline. Leaded gas was far more efficient by the way. They didn't even try to find a suitable replacement for lead, that behaved as well as lead did.

Tenpoundbass says

mell says

Good discussion. For the record I think unleaded gasoline was the right decision, not everything environmental agencies/projects come up with is bad.

It was a knee jerk over reaction to toxic building materials. Lead paint, and Asbestos caused such a stir, that the "The New Thing" back then was putting on show to clean up the act. Besides every time they go on one of these clean up tangents, people get filthy rich in the process. Lead is pretty heavy, so having lead in your exhaust, does not suspend lead particles in the air. It falls back to the ground in short order.

Kids were getting lead poisoning from putting lead painted toys in their mouths, and eating lead paint chips. Funny how when I was kid, and even to this day. Lead fishing sinkers don't have a warning to not crimp them with your teeth. Which when I was kid I crimped thousands of them with my ...

If you live and breathe closer to the ground it will affect you quite significantly, I've seen the data, plus modern gasoline is fine without it, sure they could always transition smoother, in a less knee-jerk fashion, but I stand by it being the right decision. Led paint and led toys of course is another big source of led poisoning. SF has plenty of old houses with old layers of led paint that's cracking off slowly, onto the floors etc. only to be ingested by babies and pets.

Tenpoundbass says

It was a knee jerk over reaction to toxic building materials. Lead paint, and Asbestos caused such a stir, that the "The New Thing" back then was putting on show to clean up the act. Besides every time they go on one of these clean up tangents, people get filthy rich in the process. Lead is pretty heavy, so having lead in your exhaust, does not suspend lead particles in the air. It falls back to the ground in short order.

There is literally no good reason to have lead in gasoline.

Tenpoundbass says

It was a knee jerk over reaction to toxic building materials.

No. The problem with leaded fuel is that it would ruin a catalytic converter. The catalytic converter was to take NO2 compounds out of the exhaust to stop photochemical smog. That worked very well, as those that remember the smog brown haze of old will attest.

richwicks says

There is literally no good reason to have lead in gasoline.

In cars, yes, but in General Aviation piston engines that require over 100 octane, tetraethyl lead is still needed.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

There is literally no good reason to have lead in gasoline.

In cars, yes, but in General Aviation piston engines that require over 100 octane, tetraethyl lead is still needed.

I know it's still used, but modifying the engine is the answer. It's not really needed.

richwicks says

modifying the engine is the answer.

Engineers have been trying for decades to do that. Unable so far.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

modifying the engine is the answer.

Engineers have been trying for decades to do that. Unable so far.

It's a question of the cost of the engine.

Leaded gasoline is just a hack.

Part of it is thoes in power don't want to give it up.
The average age of your congressperson has increased every year since 1981

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/118th-congress-age-third-oldest-1789-rcna64117

Boomer report: As I've stated on here, I have a VRBO rental in Maui near Lahaina with a small beach. When I bought it 7 years ago we had a rack on the side of the building containing 8 kayaks various owners owned. It was giant pain but I eventually got one too.

Well, they aged out of it and got rid of their kayaks, mine is the only one left.

Now they all want ME to get rid of mine but I still use mine, I'm Gen-X.

Chairman of the board emailed me to say that I had to get rid of it (although in owners meetings it was discussed) and I'm forcing a vote on it now.

I really don't care as I'm considering selling anyway, the free disposal would allow me to free up space in my condo (the pull truck) and I can rent like vacationers do.

But I'm pushing back on this BS for principles...

(I don't hate boomers but I don't like these ones; so stereotypical; "I got mine so effe you!")

just_passing_through says

(I don't hate boomers but I don't like these ones; so stereotypical; "I got mine so effe you!")

Yuppies didn't age well. Most Boomers that don't live in Condos or gated communities, wont complain about your Kayak rack, if you don't complain about their piss bottles piled up on the side of the house.

Tenpoundbass says

Yuppies didn't age well. Most Boomers that don't live in Condos or gated communities, wont complain about your Kayak rack, if you don't complain about their piss bottles piled up on the side of the house.

They don't live there. They rent them out like I do except they are too stupid to operate a phone so they pay 30% to a property management company to do a shitty job instead of using VRBO. We all tend to gather there for the owners meetings once per year though.

The property management company also uses VRBO and they get shitty reviews (mine are 10/10) and less reviews. At first they never even changed their prices and kept them too low for high season or events. It pissed off a lot of owners because some are remodeled and some aren't. People started noticing I was beating the snot out of them so they at least change prices sometimes now.

Well in that case, I belive VRBO owners should have zero say in the HOA rules.
There's just too much motive for them, to buy up as many units as they can, and out vote the remaining owners in imposing burdens on them that could price them out. Then just reverse all of their nonsense once they succeeded.

If I were king around here, trying to make money off buying and rigging the SFH market would be so prohibitive for them, they would never ever want to do it.
Go buy or build a multi unit apartment building if you want to play the Soup!

I would do away with HOA's period if it were up to me.

There's been quite a spate of stories in Florida of Home owners getting priced out of their HOA properties with the 30 year inspection scam and raising the fees and imposing outrageous 20K or more assessment fees. One was a HOA that had 3 story duplexes, and yet they are being treated with the same regulations that big concrete multi story buildings like those effected by the Champlain towers fallout.

I think it's stupid to demand a building that has more plywood and metal studs, than cinderblocks, and every floor above is a part of the same unit, to be held to the same standards as a high-rise condominium. It's a land grab by the investor class.

@Tenpoundbass I get what you mean but all of the condos on the West Maui oceanside were built to be STRs in the 1970s or a bit later. On the other side of the road the apartments were built for workers.

So I'm not messing up the SFH market at all, mine and likewise are small, furnished, with no storage and single uncovered parking. There are some 2-3 bedrooms as well. It's the reason all of those buildings have leasing offices. Personally I'd like to kick them out and put toys like kayaks, etc., we can lease to visitors but again, old people can't manage on their own...

Regular people couldn't afford the mortgage, HOA fee and insane property taxes. Even getting a long term renter doesn't come close to covering costs. Approximately half.

I tend to agree with the AirBNB (and VRBO) messing up housing for people but it's more AirBNB than VRBO -> which tends to attract older more quiet people.

In this case I was just able to remove a middle man that was going to charge me 30%, and they are still pissed. They also work for our HOA. They have a rental division and a property management division but there are really only a few people who work there.

My unit was used for STRs looong before the internet was a public thing.

Tenpoundbass says

I belive VRBO owners should have zero say in the HOA rules

Nearly the entire building rents their units out on VRBO directly or indirectly. There are a handful of resident owners and they are aged 85 to over 95 and rich. They also keep dying so it's hard to keep track. They are also a pain the ass voting to put plants in front of ground floor owners views because they, "Like the flowers".

just_passing_through says

It's the reason all of those buildings have leasing offices. Personally I'd like to kick them out and put toys like kayaks, etc., we can lease to visitors but again, old people can't manage on their own...

Sounds like the Leasing office guys are butt hurt because you're not paying the protection money.
and you didn't tip the groundskeeper they have a dossier on you by now.