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richwicks
2022 Apr 5, 1:51am
richwicks
2022 Apr 5, 1:51am
AmericanKulak says
I always hear claims like this, but I have never seen any scientific data to support it.
Asteroids are mainly big balls of dust, that are loosely held together by a gravitational field. Why it's said "oh, they are filled with X" I have no idea. They are probably all light elements but who knows? I know it's speculated that gold is largely from asteroid bombardment, but that might be complete BS as well. The idea is that because it's so dense, that all the gold that was here when the Earth formed is in the core. Well, wouldn't uranium and lead be as well then?
Many asteroids are heavily water ice, others full of Precious Metals.
I always hear claims like this, but I have never seen any scientific data to support it.
Asteroids are mainly big balls of dust, that are loosely held together by a gravitational field. Why it's said "oh, they are filled with X" I have no idea. They are probably all light elements but who knows? I know it's speculated that gold is largely from asteroid bombardment, but that might be complete BS as well. The idea is that because it's so dense, that all the gold that was here when the Earth formed is in the core. Well, wouldn't uranium and lead be as well then?
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Goran_K
2022 Apr 5, 5:53am
Goran_K
2022 Apr 5, 5:53am
richwicks says
The most common method is infrared spectroscopy. Different "minerals" absorb different wavelengths of light differently. Based on the surface composition, and a few rotational scans, you can come up with a fairly accurate spectra of minerals compared to what we would expect on Earth. No it's not 100% accurate because the surface could have a thin layer of say lead, but underneath could be just a bunch of water and ice. you never know until you actually get out to the asteroid and dig into it. They are beginning to use radar now which gives you a slightly more accurate surface picture as well.
Good thing is Elon is already working on automated mining robots that will do exploratory digs on various asteroids. See? Elon rocks right?
AmericanKulak saysMany asteroids are heavily water ice, others full of Precious Metals.
I always hear claims like this, but I have never seen any scientific data to support it.
Asteroids are mainly big balls of dust, that are loosely held together by a gravitational field. Why it's said "oh, they are filled with X" I have no idea. They are probably all light elements but who knows? I know it's speculated that gold is largely from asteroid bombardment, but that might be complete BS as well. The idea is that because it's so dense, that all the gold that was here when the Earth formed is in the core. Well, wouldn't uranium and lead be as well then?
The most common method is infrared spectroscopy. Different "minerals" absorb different wavelengths of light differently. Based on the surface composition, and a few rotational scans, you can come up with a fairly accurate spectra of minerals compared to what we would expect on Earth. No it's not 100% accurate because the surface could have a thin layer of say lead, but underneath could be just a bunch of water and ice. you never know until you actually get out to the asteroid and dig into it. They are beginning to use radar now which gives you a slightly more accurate surface picture as well.
Good thing is Elon is already working on automated mining robots that will do exploratory digs on various asteroids. See? Elon rocks right?
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socal2
2022 Apr 5, 8:55am
Musk will also have a seat at the board and is looking forward to making "significant improvements" at Twitter.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/05/elon-musk-to-join-twitters-board-of-directors.html?source=patrick.net
He should move fast and the first thing he should get done is reinstating Trump and all of the doctors who questioned COVID policies.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/05/elon-musk-to-join-twitters-board-of-directors.html?source=patrick.net
He should move fast and the first thing he should get done is reinstating Trump and all of the doctors who questioned COVID policies.
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Goran_K
2022 Apr 5, 8:58am
Goran_K
2022 Apr 5, 8:58am
socal2 says
I can't wait for Trump's return tweet.
Musk will also have a seat at the board and is looking forward to making "significant improvements" at Twitter.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/05/elon-musk-to-join-twitters-board-of-directors.html?source=patrick.net
He should move fast and the first thing he should get done is reinstating Trump and all of the doctors who questioned COVID policies.
I can't wait for Trump's return tweet.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Apr 5, 9:21am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Apr 5, 9:21am
Fuck Twitter, I dont use social media. It'a a shit show with face robot accounts all over the place, pretend reality.
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richwicks
2022 Apr 5, 9:45am
richwicks
2022 Apr 5, 9:45am
I bet Musk is about to find out that 1/2 of twitter are government propagandists and PR trolls. I bet he has no idea how the company is funded either. If he reforms Twitter, it will crater because I think over 50% of the users, are fake and if there's a crackdown on that, the company will shrivel.
It's a PR / propaganda site and censorship is being done at the behest of some backroom deals. If those deals are ended, the money will stop flowing.
It's a PR / propaganda site and censorship is being done at the behest of some backroom deals. If those deals are ended, the money will stop flowing.
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socal2
2022 Apr 5, 10:08am
richwicks says
Yeah - but if he gets people like Trump reinstated, it will bring back alot of Conservatives and Libertarians who have abandoned (or have been banned) from the site which will make up for some of the bot losses.
Like it or not. Twitter drives alot of the narrative and public discussion. So we need to reform or nuke it and can't just ignore it.
Musk is the perfect person for this mission as he is crazy smart, not woke and has enough F-U money to make this happen.
I bet Musk is about to find out that 1/2 of twitter are government propagandists and PR trolls. I bet he has no idea how the company is funded either. If he reforms Twitter, it will crater because I think over 50% of the users, are fake and if there's a crackdown on that, the company will shrivel.
Yeah - but if he gets people like Trump reinstated, it will bring back alot of Conservatives and Libertarians who have abandoned (or have been banned) from the site which will make up for some of the bot losses.
Like it or not. Twitter drives alot of the narrative and public discussion. So we need to reform or nuke it and can't just ignore it.
Musk is the perfect person for this mission as he is crazy smart, not woke and has enough F-U money to make this happen.
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richwicks
2022 Apr 5, 10:23am
richwicks
2022 Apr 5, 10:23am
socal2 says
Twitter is constantly brought up, but I've never seen any reason to use it. I'd disagree. The purpose of Twitter was to court celebrities and politicians as a platform for public relations, at their CORE was censorship, because it's public relations. It's to give politicians a place where they are protected and a place where celebrities are free of criticism. It's never been a news source.
Facebook is primarily for businesses to advertise without having to put up a website and they'll do what they have to do in order to give a good face on anybody that has a presence there.
socal2 says
I disagree with him being "smart", but we'll see. Time will tell. Some of his ideas were dead in the box, he just didn't do some simple calculations to find out if what he was pushing for made sense. He didn't check Queuing Theory for the "Boring company" (notice that's off the radar), and he didn't consult any geologists about the Hypertube. These were both dead on arrival. The Boring company especially, even if tunnels cost the same as highways, I think it would have been a close call on viability but you have all this other stuff to worry about - the structures over the tunnels, them filling with water, circulation of air, egresses to the surface. I remember the Big Dig in Boston. It... works... NOW, but that was WAY over budget and could have been handled much better than it was maybe.
My sister is a civil engineer, she was quite skeptical (but also appreciative) of the Big Dig in Boston, but she knew it was going to blow out budgets and have all sorts of problems.
Musk's claim to fame is Tesla, which isn't a good solution, it's just an over-priced electric car, which gets government subsidies and electric cars may not be a very good idea at all and he's just displacing NASA and defense contractors, but we really don't know what the actual budget is, or how much is really being spent. Our government misleads other governments all the time. Remember in the 1970's the whole ESP bullshit thing and how the CIA was SUPPOSEDLY working on remote viewing and other garbage? It was just to mislead the Russians. The military buildup in the 1980's MIGHT have been fake just to goad Russia into overbuilding their military to bankrupt them. We already had enough ICBMs to destroy Russia, and the entire world before SDI.
Musk also has security clearance, is exempt from making misleading statements about Tesla's stock (remember he secured funding to bring Tesla private - TOTAL lie - no repercussions), I suspect he might be a front man. Not really running the company, but is the face of them. Zuckerberg is suspected to be a front man. That's why he can lie to Congress.
Anyhow, we'll see.
Like it or not. Twitter drives alot of the narrative and public discussion. So we need to reform or nuke it and can't just ignore it.
Twitter is constantly brought up, but I've never seen any reason to use it. I'd disagree. The purpose of Twitter was to court celebrities and politicians as a platform for public relations, at their CORE was censorship, because it's public relations. It's to give politicians a place where they are protected and a place where celebrities are free of criticism. It's never been a news source.
Facebook is primarily for businesses to advertise without having to put up a website and they'll do what they have to do in order to give a good face on anybody that has a presence there.
socal2 says
Musk is the perfect person for this mission as he is crazy smart, not woke and has enough F-U money to make this happen.
I disagree with him being "smart", but we'll see. Time will tell. Some of his ideas were dead in the box, he just didn't do some simple calculations to find out if what he was pushing for made sense. He didn't check Queuing Theory for the "Boring company" (notice that's off the radar), and he didn't consult any geologists about the Hypertube. These were both dead on arrival. The Boring company especially, even if tunnels cost the same as highways, I think it would have been a close call on viability but you have all this other stuff to worry about - the structures over the tunnels, them filling with water, circulation of air, egresses to the surface. I remember the Big Dig in Boston. It... works... NOW, but that was WAY over budget and could have been handled much better than it was maybe.
My sister is a civil engineer, she was quite skeptical (but also appreciative) of the Big Dig in Boston, but she knew it was going to blow out budgets and have all sorts of problems.
Musk's claim to fame is Tesla, which isn't a good solution, it's just an over-priced electric car, which gets government subsidies and electric cars may not be a very good idea at all and he's just displacing NASA and defense contractors, but we really don't know what the actual budget is, or how much is really being spent. Our government misleads other governments all the time. Remember in the 1970's the whole ESP bullshit thing and how the CIA was SUPPOSEDLY working on remote viewing and other garbage? It was just to mislead the Russians. The military buildup in the 1980's MIGHT have been fake just to goad Russia into overbuilding their military to bankrupt them. We already had enough ICBMs to destroy Russia, and the entire world before SDI.
Musk also has security clearance, is exempt from making misleading statements about Tesla's stock (remember he secured funding to bring Tesla private - TOTAL lie - no repercussions), I suspect he might be a front man. Not really running the company, but is the face of them. Zuckerberg is suspected to be a front man. That's why he can lie to Congress.
Anyhow, we'll see.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Apr 5, 10:25am
richwicks says
Ice is one of the most common compounds in the solar system, esp. the outer solar system starting in the asteroid belt.
They can detect it from the offgassing of volatiles using infrared.
I always hear claims like this, but I have never seen any scientific data to support it.
Ice is one of the most common compounds in the solar system, esp. the outer solar system starting in the asteroid belt.
They can detect it from the offgassing of volatiles using infrared.
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EBGuy
2022 Apr 5, 1:58pm
richwicks says
Tax incentives juiced Tesla’s recent sales. But now those incentives are gone
In the U.S., for instance, buyers of a Tesla, or any other electric vehicle, could once get a whopping $7,500 rebate on their tax bill. The argument was that the subsidy helped get fuel-burning cars off the road, thereby reducing pollution.
But the U.S. credit began phasing out after Tesla sold 200,000 cars, dropping first to $3,750 on Jan. 1, 2019, then to $1,875 in July 1, 2019. Since Jan. 1 of 2020, U.S. Tesla buyers haven’t qualified for any tax credit.
it's just an over-priced electric car, which gets government subsidies and electric cars may not be a very good idea at all and he's just displacing NASA and defense contractors, but we really don't know what the actual budget is, or how much is really being spent.
Tax incentives juiced Tesla’s recent sales. But now those incentives are gone
In the U.S., for instance, buyers of a Tesla, or any other electric vehicle, could once get a whopping $7,500 rebate on their tax bill. The argument was that the subsidy helped get fuel-burning cars off the road, thereby reducing pollution.
But the U.S. credit began phasing out after Tesla sold 200,000 cars, dropping first to $3,750 on Jan. 1, 2019, then to $1,875 in July 1, 2019. Since Jan. 1 of 2020, U.S. Tesla buyers haven’t qualified for any tax credit.
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EBGuy
2022 Apr 5, 2:00pm
Free The Bee
Hopefully that will be his first action upon taking a board seat...
Hopefully that will be his first action upon taking a board seat...
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Eman
2022 Apr 5, 3:00pm
Eman
2022 Apr 5, 3:00pm
richwicks says
Once you’ve owned one, let us know if it’s over-priced.
By the way, no more government subsidies on Tesla for years now, and their sales haven’t slowed down. The wait for a new $115k starter Model X is over a year now. Apparently, others don’t think it’s over-priced.
it's just an over-priced electric car, which gets government subsidies
Once you’ve owned one, let us know if it’s over-priced.
By the way, no more government subsidies on Tesla for years now, and their sales haven’t slowed down. The wait for a new $115k starter Model X is over a year now. Apparently, others don’t think it’s over-priced.
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socal2
2022 Apr 5, 4:30pm
Eman says
These sales are even more impressive when you consider Tesla doesn't do a lick of advertising or marketing. All of these sales are the result of word of mouth from obnoxious fanboys like me. I have personally converted at least 3 people to order Teslas in the last 2 months by giving test rides in my Model Y.
Once you’ve owned one, let us know if it’s over-priced.
By the way, no more government subsidies on Tesla for years now, and their sales haven’t slowed down. The wait for a new $115k starter Model X is over a year now. Apparently, others don’t think it’s over-priced.
These sales are even more impressive when you consider Tesla doesn't do a lick of advertising or marketing. All of these sales are the result of word of mouth from obnoxious fanboys like me. I have personally converted at least 3 people to order Teslas in the last 2 months by giving test rides in my Model Y.
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Eman
2022 Apr 5, 5:05pm
Eman
2022 Apr 5, 5:05pm
socal2 says
The car sells itself once someone has experienced it. A few family members and friends are also Tesla car owners now. In fact, my business partner just got his Model X Plaid delivered last week. It’s tax deductible too.
These sales are even more impressive when you consider Tesla doesn't do a lick of advertising or marketing. All of these sales are the result of word of mouth from obnoxious fanboys like me. I have personally converted at least 3 people to order Teslas in the last 2 months by giving test rides in my Model Y.
The car sells itself once someone has experienced it. A few family members and friends are also Tesla car owners now. In fact, my business partner just got his Model X Plaid delivered last week. It’s tax deductible too.
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Goran_K
2022 Apr 5, 5:15pm
Goran_K
2022 Apr 5, 5:15pm
socal2 says
Model 3 is one of the best cars I’ve owned. Can’t wait for my Cybertruck delivery.
Eman saysOnce you’ve owned one, let us know if it’s over-priced.
By the way, no more government subsidies on Tesla for years now, and their sales haven’t slowed down. The wait for a new $115k starter Model X is over a year now. Apparently, others don’t think it’s over-priced.
These sales are even more impressive when you consider Tesla doesn't do a lick of advertising or marketing. All of these sales are the result of word of mouth from obnoxious fanboys like me. I have personally converted at least 3 people to order Teslas in the last 2 months by giving test rides in my Model Y.
Model 3 is one of the best cars I’ve owned. Can’t wait for my Cybertruck delivery.
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Hircus
2022 Apr 5, 6:49pm
Hircus
2022 Apr 5, 6:49pm
If Musk starts positively influencing twitter, especially in terms of platform free speech, the woke attacks on him will surge. I can see the "news" articles already:
"Should a billionaire who made their money making cars be able to use their money to buy influence over our democratic speech platforms?"
"Elon should stick to space"
"How Elon Musk is hindering and even reverting democratic progress"
"Why Elon Musk is problematic"
"Is Elon Musk racist? Ex-employees share their horror stories."
...
"Should a billionaire who made their money making cars be able to use their money to buy influence over our democratic speech platforms?"
"Elon should stick to space"
"How Elon Musk is hindering and even reverting democratic progress"
"Why Elon Musk is problematic"
"Is Elon Musk racist? Ex-employees share their horror stories."
...
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HeadSet
2022 Apr 5, 7:37pm
HeadSet
2022 Apr 5, 7:37pm
Goran_K says
I presume you have a Level 2 charger at home. Do you ever use a commercial level 3 charger? Or on trips do you have enough Tesla sites for charge stops? Around here commercial Level 3 chargers are 30 cents per minute, so an hour "fill-up" is $18.
Model 3 is one of the best cars I’ve owned.
I presume you have a Level 2 charger at home. Do you ever use a commercial level 3 charger? Or on trips do you have enough Tesla sites for charge stops? Around here commercial Level 3 chargers are 30 cents per minute, so an hour "fill-up" is $18.
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Eman
2022 Apr 5, 9:22pm
Eman
2022 Apr 5, 9:22pm
HeadSet says
Then it really depends how fast it can charge. If it can give you 300 miles in an hour, then it’s not bad
Eman says@HeadSet, I believe you meant 30 cents/kWh.
Nope, 30 cents per minute:
Then it really depends how fast it can charge. If it can give you 300 miles in an hour, then it’s not bad
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HeadSet
2022 Apr 5, 9:39pm
HeadSet
2022 Apr 5, 9:39pm
Eman says
They are Level Three chargers, so that as fast as you can get so far. They will charge a Leaf or similar in about 45min - 60 min, which is about 250 miles. I do not know how long an extended rage car like a Tesla would take, but I would guess about 1.5 hours for the 400 mile range Model S.
Then it really depends how fast it can charge. If it can give you 300 miles in an hour, then it’s not bad
They are Level Three chargers, so that as fast as you can get so far. They will charge a Leaf or similar in about 45min - 60 min, which is about 250 miles. I do not know how long an extended rage car like a Tesla would take, but I would guess about 1.5 hours for the 400 mile range Model S.
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WookieMan
2022 Apr 5, 11:19pm
WookieMan
2022 Apr 5, 11:19pm
Eman says
They are over priced for sure. Having driven one I don't think they're bad cars. But I would never pay the price for any model Tesla to be honest. They simply have no utility besides driving short distances. Basically a commuter car.
I just hauled an electric golf cart 70 miles on my trailer. Not a chance in hell any full EV could do that without a charge on the way. Deciding on a battery for the golf cart and best case I'm looking at 70 miles range and 5 hours to full charge. Fortunately it's a golf cart and not a daily driver. Take the batteries out and you can pick the thing up and you only get 70 miles on a 5 hour charge. EV's have a long way to go. They're fun, but they're basically a toy at this point.
It's not green either. If you account for just the extraction of minerals for the lithium batteries, you've put more CO2 into the atmosphere for one battery than you would an ICE vehicle. That's before you've even charged it. Musk isn't a moron. He built a "cool" golf cart now that I'm researching batteries. I also don't trust Teslas safety. My wife and 3 kids were rear ended in our Sequoia. Totaled. It didn't look bad, but my kids and wife could literally be dead today if they drove a Tesla.
EV's are hitting a wall in my opinion. Can't tow. They're small. Poor range. Long charge time. Hybrids are likely the future and not 100% EV. Even hybrids have massive shortcomings unless you're a straight up commuter driver. They're fun to drive, that legit is the only selling point for me. There is no other redeeming quality about them though.
Once you’ve owned one, let us know if it’s over-priced.
They are over priced for sure. Having driven one I don't think they're bad cars. But I would never pay the price for any model Tesla to be honest. They simply have no utility besides driving short distances. Basically a commuter car.
I just hauled an electric golf cart 70 miles on my trailer. Not a chance in hell any full EV could do that without a charge on the way. Deciding on a battery for the golf cart and best case I'm looking at 70 miles range and 5 hours to full charge. Fortunately it's a golf cart and not a daily driver. Take the batteries out and you can pick the thing up and you only get 70 miles on a 5 hour charge. EV's have a long way to go. They're fun, but they're basically a toy at this point.
It's not green either. If you account for just the extraction of minerals for the lithium batteries, you've put more CO2 into the atmosphere for one battery than you would an ICE vehicle. That's before you've even charged it. Musk isn't a moron. He built a "cool" golf cart now that I'm researching batteries. I also don't trust Teslas safety. My wife and 3 kids were rear ended in our Sequoia. Totaled. It didn't look bad, but my kids and wife could literally be dead today if they drove a Tesla.
EV's are hitting a wall in my opinion. Can't tow. They're small. Poor range. Long charge time. Hybrids are likely the future and not 100% EV. Even hybrids have massive shortcomings unless you're a straight up commuter driver. They're fun to drive, that legit is the only selling point for me. There is no other redeeming quality about them though.
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Hircus
2022 Apr 6, 10:53am
Hircus
2022 Apr 6, 10:53am
Hircus says
So it begins.
If Musk starts positively influencing twitter, especially in terms of platform free speech, the woke attacks on him will surge. I can see the "news" articles already:
"Should a billionaire who made their money making cars be able to use their money to buy influence over our democratic speech platforms?"
"Elon should stick to space"
"How Elon Musk is hindering and even reverting democratic progress"
"Why Elon Musk is problematic"
"Is Elon Musk racist? Ex-employees share their horror stories."
...
So it begins.
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Goran_K
2022 Apr 6, 11:47am
Goran_K
2022 Apr 6, 11:47am
WaPO is just Jeff Bezos cry diary anyway. No one considers WaPO a serious news source anymore.
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Misc
2022 Apr 6, 11:52am
Looks like some POS Bloomberg propagandist penned it. --- He mustuv shopped it around looking for someone to pay him some coin.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Apr 6, 12:10pm
Amazon's Starlink Competition hired multiple flights on every Launch provider but Starlink - the cheapest, most affordable and reliable provider.
I mention this for those who think WaPo isn't Bezo's Blog.
It's not about financial benefit, but control.
I mention this for those who think WaPo isn't Bezo's Blog.
It's not about financial benefit, but control.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Apr 6, 12:12pm
WookieMan says
He's making money on EVs whose real purpose is to develop rovers for Moon and Mars.
It's not green either. If you account for just the extraction of minerals for the lithium batteries, you've put more CO2 into the atmosphere for one battery than you would an ICE vehicle. That's before you've even charged it. Musk isn't a moron. He built a "cool" golf cart now that I'm researching batteries. I also don't trust Teslas safety. My wife and 3 kids were rear ended in our Sequoia. Totaled. It didn't look bad, but my kids and wife could literally be dead today if they drove a Tesla.
He's making money on EVs whose real purpose is to develop rovers for Moon and Mars.
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richwicks
2022 Apr 6, 12:39pm
richwicks
2022 Apr 6, 12:39pm
AmericanKulak says
We MIGHT return to the moon before Elon Musk is dead at 100 of old age, but we're not going to Mars anytime soon. Mars takes 5 months to get there, and then once you get there, you're there for about a year as you have to wait until Mars is again close enough to the Earth to get back. It's a MAJOR mission.
A base would have to be setup by remote means, the amount of food you'd have to bring is no joke, fuel would have to be parked in orbit around mars, and possibly a ship itself - and if anything goes wrong, ANYTHING goes wrong, the men die there, and it will be men. Not because women can't do it, but the PR disaster if a woman doesn't make it back would be 1000x worse than if the men don't make it back. Men are expendable.
On top of that, the people going to Mars will need to be in simulated gravity, because when people are in 0 G for a few months, they can't walk once they get back to Earth. There's some ideas of how to use rotation to simulate this, and it would probably work and be safe. Men have lived in modules on Earth that spin to simulate 2 G for over a week. I don't believe the people were incapacitated when they exited.
We'll have a full fledged and manned moon base before we even THINK about going to Mars. Mars is over 100 years away and you're going to have some real crazy nutbags to go, but they are plenty of them. It will have to be some sort of rivalry between the US and China to get it going like the moon mission was. It will cost a fortune.
He's making money on EVs whose real purpose is to develop rovers for Moon and Mars.
We MIGHT return to the moon before Elon Musk is dead at 100 of old age, but we're not going to Mars anytime soon. Mars takes 5 months to get there, and then once you get there, you're there for about a year as you have to wait until Mars is again close enough to the Earth to get back. It's a MAJOR mission.
A base would have to be setup by remote means, the amount of food you'd have to bring is no joke, fuel would have to be parked in orbit around mars, and possibly a ship itself - and if anything goes wrong, ANYTHING goes wrong, the men die there, and it will be men. Not because women can't do it, but the PR disaster if a woman doesn't make it back would be 1000x worse than if the men don't make it back. Men are expendable.
On top of that, the people going to Mars will need to be in simulated gravity, because when people are in 0 G for a few months, they can't walk once they get back to Earth. There's some ideas of how to use rotation to simulate this, and it would probably work and be safe. Men have lived in modules on Earth that spin to simulate 2 G for over a week. I don't believe the people were incapacitated when they exited.
We'll have a full fledged and manned moon base before we even THINK about going to Mars. Mars is over 100 years away and you're going to have some real crazy nutbags to go, but they are plenty of them. It will have to be some sort of rivalry between the US and China to get it going like the moon mission was. It will cost a fortune.
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stereotomy
2022 Apr 6, 12:51pm
stereotomy
2022 Apr 6, 12:51pm
The corrupt governments of the world will never countenance a self-sufficient (AKA politically independent) colony off the earth. To do so would invite the possibility that these independent colonies, if sufficiently provoked, would fight back by dropping rocks (with catastrophic results) on their earthbound tormentors.
This is the logic of psychopaths, or the logic of crabs in a bucket. In any case, we shall see how Musk et. al. are sabotaged once their technological infrastructure is capable of launching viable colonies.
This is the logic of psychopaths, or the logic of crabs in a bucket. In any case, we shall see how Musk et. al. are sabotaged once their technological infrastructure is capable of launching viable colonies.
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Goran_K
2022 Apr 6, 1:01pm
Goran_K
2022 Apr 6, 1:01pm
stereotomy says
The Martian Resistance will fight off the globalist oppressors!
The corrupt governments of the world will never countenance a self-sufficient (AKA politically independent) colony off the earth. To do so would invite the possibility that these independent colonies, if sufficiently provoked, would fight back by dropping rocks (with catastrophic results) on their earthbound tormentors.
This is the logic of psychopaths, or the logic of crabs in a bucket. In any case, we shall see how Musk et. al. are sabotaged once their technological infrastructure is capable of launching viable colonies.
The Martian Resistance will fight off the globalist oppressors!
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Eman
2022 Apr 6, 2:06pm
Eman
2022 Apr 6, 2:06pm
WookieMan says
People vote with their checkbook. The waiting list on the cars, up to over a year, suggests others don’t feel the same way.
They are over priced for sure.
People vote with their checkbook. The waiting list on the cars, up to over a year, suggests others don’t feel the same way.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 6, 2:08pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 6, 2:08pm
Eman says
Marketing trumps engineering.
Electric vehicles are no better than internal combustion engine vehicles, and in many ways are worse. They have less range, the material to build them is dependent on essentially slave labor, our energy grid is burdened by them, they produce (at least) as much pollution as an ICE engine, you just don't see it, because it's produced at an electrical plant which isn't in your backyard.
I can tell you this, and you will ignore it. Marketing trumps engineering. We know, but who listens to the people who build all this shit? We are not skilled in convincing you, we are skilled only in informing you and in building all this shit. You simply cannot believe us. Truth has no power over marketing.
WookieMan says
They are over priced for sure.
People vote with their checkbook. The waiting list on the cars, up to over a year, suggests others don’t feel the same way.
Marketing trumps engineering.
Electric vehicles are no better than internal combustion engine vehicles, and in many ways are worse. They have less range, the material to build them is dependent on essentially slave labor, our energy grid is burdened by them, they produce (at least) as much pollution as an ICE engine, you just don't see it, because it's produced at an electrical plant which isn't in your backyard.
I can tell you this, and you will ignore it. Marketing trumps engineering. We know, but who listens to the people who build all this shit? We are not skilled in convincing you, we are skilled only in informing you and in building all this shit. You simply cannot believe us. Truth has no power over marketing.
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RWSGFY
2023 Apr 6, 5:13pm
RWSGFY
2023 Apr 6, 5:13pm
Eman says
This didn't age well.
WookieMan says
They are over priced for sure.
People vote with their checkbook. The waiting list on the cars, up to over a year, suggests others don’t feel the same way.
This didn't age well.
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Hopefully he uses this leverage to clean house of all the Commies and Groomers that run this site.
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