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Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Ryan described attacks on medical facilities as an effort to achieve "the destruction of hope."

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-who-says-there-have-been-attacks-43-medical-facilities-2022-3?op=1&source=patrick.net

I think it's funny that people can't learn from history:

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-chemical-weapons-iraq-2014-10?source=patrick.net

Sometimes, I actually wonder, if people around me are sentient. It's an incredibly arrogant position to think that I am sentient and other people aren't, but you're still listening to these propagandists and still believing them. It's really easy to look at past performance.

richwicks says

Sometimes, I actually wonder, if people around me are sentient.

Projection and non sequitur.

I watched the WHO's testimony at an Emergency UN Security Council meeting called to discuss Ukraine’s humanitarian situation today. It is naive, at best, to believe that atrocities do not occur during war.

Didn't exactly state which side attacked the hospitals. It seems the citizens report it is the Ukraine Nazis who do it in the spirit of false flag.

"Medical facilities" is so general. Say bio-labs.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

richwicks says

Sometimes, I actually wonder, if people around me are sentient.

Projection and non sequitur.

Possibly projection, but it's not a non sequitur.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

I watched the WHO's testimony at an Emergency UN Security Council meeting called to discuss Ukraine’s humanitarian situation today. It is naive, at best, to believe that atrocities do not occur during war

You cannot have a war without an atrocity. I do not believe there aren't atrocities in this war.

I'm saying businessinsider has no credibility. What they write could be true, or it could be false - the point is they will fucking lie to you, and have lied before. Ignore them. Learn to ignore them.

There isn't a SINGLE "reliable source" that is a reliable source. We live in clown world. You can today, identify nearly anything, as the opposite of what it actually is. If it's "reliable sources" it's propaganda. If it's a "fact checker" it's a disinformationist, and on, and on, and on.

Ceffer says

Didn't exactly state which side attacked the hospitals. It seems the citizens report it is the Ukraine Nazis who do it in the spirit of false flag.

Citizens of what country? How did you verify they are who they say they are and they really witnessed what they say they witnessed?

Besides, wouldn't armed population turn on these "false flag Nazis" if they were indeed killing their women and children? You know that hundreds of thousands of AK have been distributed to militia forces (called "territorial defense force") all over the country. Explain how these Nazis are allowed to kill civvies while their fathers and husbands stand by with full-auto AKs in their hands.

RWSGFY says

You know that hundreds of thousands of AK have been distributed to militia forces (called "territorial defense force") all over the country.

No you don't.

Jesus Christ, how many times does the "news" media and government have to lie to you, before you just ignore their bullshit?

Everything that is being reported by them, EVERYTHING - should be entirely ignored. Completely ignored.

You can TRY to know what is going on in Ukraine, you can attempt it - but the ONLY way to do it, is to actually find people to talk to you who are in Ukraine.

https://www.webcamtaxi.com/en/ukraine.html?source=patrick.net

Are those real? Are they from a year ago? Who knows.

Ceffer says

Didn't exactly state which side attacked the hospitals. It seems the citizens report it is the Ukraine Nazis who do it in the spirit of false flag.

Put down the pipe, man.

This is how this all begun.

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

You know that hundreds of thousands of AK have been distributed to militia forces (called "territorial defense force") all over the country.

No you don't.

Jesus Christ, how many times does the "news" media and government have to lie to you, before you just ignore their bullshit?

Everything that is being reported by them, EVERYTHING - should be entirely ignored. Completely ignored.

You can TRY to know what is going on in Ukraine, you can attempt it - but the ONLY way to do it, is to actually find people to talk to you who are in Ukraine.

Yes, I know real people in Ukraine who are currently in the territorial defence force. Our company has a development team in Kharkiv and sales office in Kyiv. All male employees are currently armed and patrolling their neighborhoods. The only thing they had to show to get a Kalashnikov was a valid Ukrainian ID.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

This is how this all begun.

What is this picture supposed to illustrate? Lindsey meeting some folks in Ukie military garb? What's wrong with that?

personal

RWSGFY says

No you don't.

Jesus Christ, how many times does the "news" media and government have to lie to you, before you just ignore their bullshit?

Everything that is being reported by them, EVERYTHING - should be entirely ignored. Completely ignored.

You can TRY to know what is going on in Ukraine, you can attempt it - but the ONLY way to do it, is to actually find people to talk to you who are in Ukraine.

Yes, I know real people in Ukraine who are currently in the territorial defence force. Our company has a development team in Kharkiv and sales office in Kyiv. All male employees are currently armed and patrolling their neighborhoods. The only thing they had to show to get a Kalashnikov was a valid Ukrainian ID.

Well, ask them:

https://www.webcamtaxi.com/en/ukraine/kiev/kontraktova-square.html?source=patrick.net

Is that live? The lower right is Kiev. I don't see anybody carrying weapons on Lvivska St.

The Russian UN representative in today's UN emergency meeting, Vasily Nebenzya, justified the invasion of Ukraine based upon its treatment of secessionists in the breakaway Luhansk and Donetsk regions of Ukraine. I cannot recall any country treating secessionists kindly. Russia believes they are justified in using violence to get Ukraine to alter its behavior towards the secessionists, who Russia is supporting, including supporting militarily. On face value, Russia believes that if people in a country want to break off and form their own country, that is OK. I would assume, however, that if this were to occur in Russia itself, that would not be OK.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

I cannot recall any country treating secessionists kindly.

The USSR did.

richwicks says

The USSR did.

Technically, the USSR ceased to exist, so not quite the same thing. I do not think Russia would look kindly on any secessionists.

RWSGFY says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

This is how this all begun.

What is this picture supposed to illustrate? Lindsey meeting some folks in Ukie military garb? What's wrong with that?

it's not an illustration, it's a forgotten history, thats from the videos where McCain and Lindsey were encouraging Ukraine to fight Russia, telling them that they'll take their message to the Senate. Ukraine and Russia weren't fighting until the coup, everything changed after that. That's the source of the problems. These things are kind of easy, kind of like my toe didn't hurt until I dropped a hammer on it. And Ukr/Rus didnt fight till America got involved. America didn't get involved in Ukraine because they grew a sudden concern for Ukraine, it's the elites fucking geopolitical games, at cost to us the taxpayers.

You might not remember those videos, those news, it's several years old now. McCain was still alive, so you can tell how old that was. They were already censoring back then any information that criticized the coup. This is the consequence, people dying out there on Russian and Ukrainian side, we taxpayers underwriting the war, and elites get to play their little games with the world.

OMG, it must be true!!!!!!!!!

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

richwicks says

The USSR did.

Technically, the USSR ceased to exist, so not quite the same thing. I do not thing Russia would look kindly on any secessionists.

The breakup of the USSR was a beautiful thing, nearly a bloodless revolution.

Of course it was immediately taken over by a bunch of carpetbaggers, and Western thieves moved in immediately. Things were all good and rosy with the United States and Europe and Russia, until Putin put an end to this.

There has been a campaign to destabilize Russia ever since as the US lied its way into war after war after war. I don't believe 9/11 was done by a bunch of terrorists from the other side of the world, but was done by elements within out own government. Its these, sociopaths that constantly agitate for war, constantly. They are the ones that control our propaganda, they lie constantly, they murder people regularly.

Where are the Skripals? Are they dead? Alive? They are no longer useful..

Is Jeffrey Epstein really dead?

Did Ken Lay really die, or did he just disappear?

I look forward to our OWN soviet style collapse. Criminals run our nations, and dupes support these criminals, confusing THEM with our nation. They are not our nation, they are a cancer of our nation.

richwicks says

The breakup of the USSR was a beautiful thing, nearly a bloodless revolution.

Yes, most remarkable. And the former member states that wanted to stay aligned with Russia did. And those that did not, did not. That's the way it should be. Not under the threat of the barrel of a gun.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

WHO has documented 43 attacks on hospitals and other medical facilities in Ukraine.

Does that include the 34 bioweapons labs?

Ceffer says

Didn't exactly state which side attacked the hospitals. It seems the citizens report it is the Ukraine Nazis who do it in the spirit of false flag.

Aw cmon man, nobody is that cruel and evil that they would kill their own people to advance their cause. LOL

RWSGFY says

Explain how these Nazis are allowed to kill civvies while their fathers and husbands stand by with full-auto AKs in their hands.

Explain then how the russians are allowed to kill civvies while their fathers and husbands stand by with full-auto AKs in their hands. Isn't that the narrative?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Yes, most remarkable. And the former member states that wanted to stay aligned with Russia did. And those that did not, did not. That's the way it should be. Not under the threat of the barrel of a gun.

So remarkable that all the leaders of the old USSR instantly found cushy jobs in the new Russia.

There has never in the history of the world been a bloodless coup. I mean the current head of Russia is former KGB for fucks sake.

NuttBoxer says

So remarkable that all the leaders of the old USSR instantly found cushy jobs in the new Russia.

Interesting that a Communist Youth Leader and active Communist joined the CDU in two weeks after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the DDR. From Communist to Center-Right in 14 days.

Only to become Prime Minister of Germany - and her key energy policy was basically "Shut down all coal, no nukes, but nothing but Russian Gas and some overpriced windmills"

Her father, a Progressive Pastor, was one of the very few people to choose to go to the DDR from the FRG.


Make of this what you will.

Russians shot people who were standing in a bread line, one was an American guy.
Russians bombed a theater which was a shelter for civilians; in large letters “children” was written in the parking lot.

What people believe here is interesting; they are evidently unaware that the KGB basically has completely taken over Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The attitude towards the West and Germany is hostile, and Putin wants to go back in time and control areas outside of Russia.

Putin lost the war and just dragged Russia down further.

Yeah, people are justifiably angry at and suspicious of the MSM which is garbage for sure. And so there is an over-reaction to accept the opposite of the MSM promoted narrative, which is a lazy and childish-petulant way to determine truth. Putin is a thug. He is an autocratic despot. Boomer politicians need to get out of the way and let new blood and new vision take the helm. The reality is, a lot of countries don't want the Russian brand. Thugs are lazy influencers, resorting to violence to force acceptance.

Supposedly the Russians don't have precision munitions, so it makes sense that indiscriminate shelling is going hit the occasional medical facility.

War propaganda gonna be really bad on both sides, that's expected. Winner will write theirs into history books. That's my prediction based on the ever repeating process in human history over thousands of years.

Remember how the United States waged a war in SE Asia, specifically Vietnam, in order to make the world safe for democracy? Well, we know democracy is a lie and it is really just a front for the wealthy to install thier minions without a coup. Well, there was a coup in Ukraine not so long ago, and the western oligarchs installed a government that would do their bidding.

I’m not condoning any military invasion but remember, the United States sent soldiers to fight in and destroy parts of Vietnam “to save it.” I’m not defending Putin. I’m just putting it into perspective. It would not be the first time crazy military commanders and/or commanders in chief destroyed a village in order to save it. Consider that Putin views himself the savior in this scenario, just as LBJ did back then.

I’m tired of hearing about this war, it should end. But the only way to end it is give Putin what he wants, unless you are willing to take him out. Taking him out sounds a lot like Iraq war doesn’t it? And it does not sound terribly different than what Putin is doing, in fact it sounds worse than Putin. Why not just give him what he wants? Ukraine can end this today. They are the only ones who can. It is the west that is making things worse by offering them aid. It will only prolong Ukrainian suffering.

Like I said, I don’t condone Putin’s actions. But let’s be honest here, he is holding all the cards. Ukraine has nothing but empty jestures from so called western leaders. They will never win on their own, because there is nothing to be won! Either the Ukrainian people with be subservient to the western oligarchs or the Russian oligarchs. Putin has decided he wants them to be subservient to the Russian oligarchs and has dared the western oligarchs to stop him. And all the western oligarchs have done is put forth sanctions that will be paid for by the working people of the west. This war, like all war is a war of oligarchs.

Remember when we fought for Freedom?

Then it was "Freedumb" and we needed to let the elites managed the New Green Economy, stop being Vaccine Hesitant, and embrace Civil Rights Education in CRT - and not to be Homophobic Transphobic Assholes and let them indoctrinate our kids.

Now with Ukraine, all of a sudden, it's WE NEED TO WORK FOR FREEDOM!

How about Freedom at Home?

AmericanKulak says

Remember when we fought for Freedom?

Then it was "Freedumb" and we needed to let the elites managed the New Green Economy, stop being Vaccine Hesitant, and embrace Civil Rights Education in CRT - and not to be Homophobic Transphobic Assholes and let them indoctrinate our kids.

Now with Ukraine, all of a sudden, it's WE NEED TO WORK FOR FREEDOM!

How about Freedom at Home?

that would be nice

Alsharptonforpresident is correct.
All of the guys in charge of Russia are former Soviet KGB.
Putin was brainwashed to hate, envy, and fear the West. He still does.

I sincerely hope that the Russians are hunted down and punished for shelling and bombing civilians.

Unlike some Putin apologists, I’ve seen a little bit of how it is over there.
The guys running the place are paranoid, it’s an old Russian custom.

AmericanKulak says

Remember when we fought for Freedom?

Then it was "Freedumb" and we needed to let the elites managed the New Green Economy, stop being Vaccine Hesitant, and embrace Civil Rights Education in CRT - and not to be Homophobic Transphobic Assholes and let them indoctrinate our kids.

Now with Ukraine, all of a sudden, it's WE NEED TO WORK FOR FREEDOM!

How about Freedom at Home?

How is Ukraine stopping you from WORKING FOR FREEDOM at home?

PeopleUnited says

Remember how the United States waged a war in SE Asia, specifically Vietnam, in order to make the world safe for democracy? Well, we know democracy is a lie and it is really just a front for the wealthy to install thier minions without a coup. Well, there was a coup in Ukraine not so long ago, and the western oligarchs installed a government that would do their bidding.

I’m not condoning any military invasion but remember, the United States sent soldiers to fight in and destroy parts of Vietnam “to save it.” I’m not defending Putin. I’m just putting it into perspective. It would not be the first time crazy military commanders and/or commanders in chief destroyed a village in order to save it. Consider that Putin views himself the savior in this scenario, just as LBJ did back then.

I’m tired of hearing about this war, it should end. But the only way to end it is give Putin what he wants, unless you are willing to take him out. Taking him out sounds a lot like Iraq war doe...

Agreed

clambo says

Unlike some Putin apologists, I’ve seen a little bit of how it is over there.

What have you seen? Friends who lived there don't confirm this at all. Nobody is apologetic, this is a shitty war, but the economic and political quagmire is propaganda. Sure it's not on par with the west in terms of standard of living, neither is the Ukraine, but their life isn't bad at all. And standard of living has gotten better under putler, maybe not by much, but noticeable.

clambo says

Russians shot people who were standing in a bread line, one was an American guy.
Russians bombed a theater which was a shelter for civilians; in large letters “children” was written in the parking lot.

@clambo Why do you believe those things?

I have also read that they were both done by the Nazi Azov battalions of the Ukrainian army.

What basis do you have other than corporate news?

In constant 2015 dollars:


Ukraine is actually worse off today than after the Fall, Russia is improved.

AmericanKulak says

Ukraine is actually worse off today than after independence.

True, and yet somehow Rinat Akhmetov, Viktor Pinchuk, Ihor Kolomoyskyi, Henadiy Boholyubov and Yuriy Kosiuk are fantastically rich Ukrainians. When some people are that rich in a country that poor, really shady shit is going on for sure.

https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-23/?source=patrick.net

In its turn, on March 18, the Russian military officials claimed their readiness to release nationalists from Mariupol to save the city and civilians. The claim was also made by the head of the National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev.

“We have officially appealed to the Kiev authorities and two days ago told them that we are ready to open humanitarian corridors and release all the bandits in any direction in order to save the city and people from these so-called martyrs, who have already glorified themselves with the explosions of a kindergarten, two schools, a maternity hospital and a drama theater building,” he said.