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I don't believe in extra-terrestrial objects manned by sentient beings or even artificial intelligence.

I do know our government lies to us on the regular. I think this is merely a distraction.

Even if there was an exta-terrestrial sentient life form investigating this planet, why use a something that can be seen or spotted? If it was me, with super advanced technology, I'd create a bunch of drones that looked like insects, or birds, or rats to observe. Maybe trees, maybe rocks, or grass blades.

I could drop them from orbit and decelerate them to the point that when they hit the atmosphere, they were descending at terminal velocity.

There's North Sentinel Island which has an uncontacted people living - which kill any visitor. I'm actually a bit surprised that something innocuous and unnoticed hasn't been left there to observe the inhabitants. Powering the devices might be a problem. It would be possible to learn the language with say, a camera embedded in a tree, pointed at a location of a hut or a gathering location. Pretty invasive, but the natives wouldn't know.

Here’s the Truth.
We are on the outskirts of a vast galaxy, sort of a backwater with uncontacted semi-intelligent life that hasn’t yet risen to the level of importance sufficient for the galactic empire to have to deal with us.
As such, we are kind of a Wild West for extraterrestrials. A place for them to fuck around and perhaps infiltrate and hang out and have unsanctioned fun, free of the prying eyes of galactic police. Sure we get joyriding aliens doing idiot kid stuff like buzzing battleships and leading fighter jets on a merry chase. Why? I guess it’s fun?

The problem comes when we begin to make trouble for the galactic empire. Maybe that involves traveling to the moon (again) and discovering/interfering with the alien bases there. It’s kind of a gas station with all that H3 lying about up on our moon. Perfect nuclear fuel for the taking and I’m sure someone has set up a shop to service the flying saucers that travel through the area. So if we interfere with that or some other galactic citizens’ business, we become subject to galactic law. This necessitates contact and a stern warning that we must not bother our neighbors and must start making a positive contribution to the galaxy as a whole. Maybe they’ll give us a few decades to figure out what this might be. Or maybe they’ll just annihilate us and let evolution re-roll for a more useful species.
Either way, it explains
1)why we haven’t been back to the moon
2)why it appears we are alone with respect to radio traffic
3)why we haven’t yet been invaded by a superior alien species
4)why all the UFOs love buzzing Earth for kicks.

Shaman says

3)why we haven’t yet been invaded by a superior alien species

Every time they try, the crew that left evolved into Liberals and killed each other during the millions of years it takes to get here.

Lol nobody wants to pick soyboy-cov-2, the leftoid virus ruining species for generations. Prob marked as biohazard

The really interesting thing is how even though camera resolution keeps getting better, pictures of UFOs are always grainy. As if they are fakes...

If there were really UFOs, we'd have at least one high-resolution shot of them by now.

richwicks says

There's North Sentinel Island which has an uncontacted people living - which kill any visitor.

They got visited by heavily armed poachers, which is probably the reason they shoot everybody. They're a bunch of savages who depend heavily on the boar for their survival, so the poaching put them at risk.

Read Vernor Venge - "A Fire Upon the Deep," and "A Deepness in The Sky."

Patrick says

If there were really UFOs, we'd have at least one high-resolution shot of them by now.

Word is, the Guv simply confiscates all the best ones. It appears they have a great collection, but nothing we are likely to see.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

There's North Sentinel Island which has an uncontacted people living - which kill any visitor.

They get visits by heavily armed poachers, which is probably the reason they shoot everybody. They're a bunch of savages who depend heavily on the boar for their survival, so the poaching put them at risk.

From what I've understood, they have killed any person that has tried to contact them for several hundred years.

Would be interesting to plant a spy microphone on the island to learn their language but that's quite invasive, but it would be interesting.

Perhaps it's best if they remain uncontacted. Does modernity really offer them anything? It would be interesting to learn from them, but I don't think it's really a good idea to interfere or include them in the rest of this madness called the modern world. NOTE: I'm not falling for the "noble savage" concept, but I don't have enough thinking to believe "our way is better".

Here's the only likely UFO story that has the slightest chance of ever happening.

A UFO crashes somewhere on Earth, it is the most video captured object in the History of Human civilization. Governments around the world wait for the Craft to open, and show themselves, or any changes to the outside like door opening or lights. Finally after about the third month of inactivity, the special forces, and salvage crews on the scene are ordered to breach the craft and open it by any means necessary. They gain entry inside and find dead fossilized beings, that older than Earth's oldest Dinosaur fossil.

Oh and they look just like us. Turns out life is a one trick pony and evolutionary forces on Earth trigger the same organisms everywhere else in the Universe.
No Greys pure man made fantasy, and no wormholes, they tried to get here the old fashioned way through time and space.

UFO is not necessarily synonymous with extraterrestrial. I will wager that all UFO's are terrestrial.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

UFO is not necessarily synonymous with extraterrestrial. I will wager that all UFO's are terrestrial.

Correct but by time it was reported the 4th object was shot down and retrieved. The Pentagon knows exactly what it is/was, they are manipulating the Clot Shot recipients, because they know we aren't buying it.

Patrick says

The really interesting thing is how even though camera resolution keeps getting better, pictures of UFOs are always grainy. As if they are fakes...

If there were really UFOs, we'd have at least one high-resolution shot of them by now.

They'd be hard to shoot without the right lens. The camera tech is good, but shooting into the distance and at night is problematic with even the best gear. Day is easier, but it depends where the sun is. Odds are these objects are up 50k+ feet. That's 9.5 miles. Go to a plains state like Nebraska and find a flat road and shoot a photo of a person standing in the road 9.5 miles away. Then account for haze, smog, clouds, etc. that can impact a shot.

Basically distance and wrong lens is the issue. Unless there's a weirdo watching the skies 24/7 with the proper equipment, I don't think we'll get a solid photo of a non government UFO #alien.

I sense a half truth here. Since it's a gas filled balloon, and since they have to shoot it down to retrieve it.
Then they can say "They don't know what's keeping it aloft." As hot air, or several gases could do it.

Multiple balloons shot down, all from China who has mocked the US over it in the past week.

US State Department, White House, Media: "Russia is an imminent threat"

This whole story is so dumb.

Imagine you were an interstellar species capable of travelling to Earth, and some stupid little savage shot a bomb at you. This is an interstellar space ship capable of travelling between suns, a machine capable of doing that I don't think would be threatened by the equivalent of spears and arrows, but I can imagine them getting upset by it.

Such a machine couldn't be shot down, and even if the paint was scratched, I think they would make an example of the savage that scratched their paint, by killing them. If you walked out of your house, and a fireant attacked you, and you found their nest, it's pretty likely you'd kill every goddamned one of those ants. Likewise, an interstellar species might just blow up the planet because, well, fuck those goddamned nasty little fireants. It's super easy to do, give a comet a little shove, and in a few years, Earth is just a hot ball of plasma after the comet hits.

This is just a distraction. I doubt anything was shot down.

Tenpoundbass says

Yep, to distract that this:


original link


Is our "elected" president.

More Stupid Globalist Tricks about faking alien invasions and poisoning the populace from Bill Cooper. Such things were planned as early as 1917.:
"Bill Cooper Talks About a Staged Alien Invasion & the NWO - video 9:48 m" https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=217245
https://youtu.be/mt5ngfqzL7E
"My comment: I met Bill Cooper in the Phoenix, Arizona area a year or so before he was killed. I used to listen to his night time radio broadcasts and had a deep respect for him. I enjoyed hearing him speak and felt he had a unique insight into what was going on in the world. He exposed many conspiracies against our nation, which proved he was a true patriotic American and a watchman on the walls. He had a keen and unwavering spirit to seek out and defend the truth. His knowledge of inside information, along with what I learned from other like minded men I met through the years, helped inspire me to follow their lead in searching for the truth. George Eaton"

The most idiotic part of the psyops is their claiming they are 'shooting down' the objects. A true UFO would outmaneuver them with ease, no shot downs, and UFOs have been reported to take counter action when greeted with aggression.

AmericanKulak says

Multiple balloons shot down, all from China who has mocked the US over it in the past week.

US State Department, White House, Media: "Russia is an imminent threat"

They are in an "unlimited partnership" so no contradiction.

richwicks says

Likewise, an interstellar species might just blow up the planet because, well, fuck those goddamned nasty little fireants.

Why are people so willing to believe there are interstellar species, but don't realize that life will evolve eventually to create humans. And it is only Humans that would have the ability to ponder such endeavors. But alas, they would be facing the same conundrum that their species on Earth are facing. They can't break the speed of light, there's no such thing as real "Wormholes".

I mean face it, how would something that looks like Aliens from the Riddley Scott imagination, ever have the dexterity to build a space craft?
And the Greys make no sense either, could you imagine the neck and spinal ailments that would plague a species like that? If that body design was capable of eventual evolution design. Then surely a primate or hominin here on Earth would have experienced a similar body design at one time.

I think the same amino acids that make up the primordial goo, that spawned life on Earth is the same building blocks of life available to the rest of the Universe. And I think every sun has planets, and most of them have an inhabitable planet capable of spawning life eventually.

I think it happens fast in a geological timescale. I believe life is a race against the calamity and forces that created life in the first place.
Earth makes it's way through the Galactic Orbit in the Milky Way, By time one complete orbit is complete the slate will have been completely wiped clean by calamity and upheavals as our planet is smashed into other objects in the Milky Way on the dirty side of the (Hurricane) Galactic Orbit.
Each time life races itself to evolve as much as possible before the eventuality of what lies hundreds of millions of years down the road.

Sort of like one of those Ground Hog Day, Do over movies, where the protagonist keeps repeating the same day, trying to get past a certain point, only to get killed and has to start all over again.

It's happening all over the Universe.

With regard to what Tenpoundbass said

Imagine a species that has a 10,000 year life span. Then interstellar distances would be manageable.

I don't see why our amino acids for life would be necessary for all life. Perhaps silicon life exists, or something even more bizarre.

There are species with astonishingly low lifespans. An opossum has a lifespan of 1-3 years. 3 years is max. They are intelligent, curious, playful, but they die within 3 years of old age. We may be the universe's opossum.

Anyhow, I have ZERO faith that our nation shut down an extra-terrestrial craft, and also, I have ZERO belief that we could defend ourselves against an interstellar race.

You might enjoy the short science fiction story "A Letter to a Phoenix" - you can find it here:

https://archive.org/details/MindWebs_201410/160+Letter+To+A+Phoenix+-+Fredric+Brown.wav

I have to upload all these at some point to some site. I have permission from the holder of the copyright. It's basically public domain. I love the old science fiction, it was thoughtful.

richwicks says

Perhaps silicon life exists, or something even more bizarre.

That's only a thing because a Discovery Channel show that pondered what life on other planets may be like. All life on Earth is carbon based, until a silicone life for is found on Earth then there is no reason to believe it is possible.

https://www.the-ies.org/analysis/does-silicon-based-life-exist#:~:text=So%2C%20the%20answer%2C%20at%20least,because%20of%20the%20chemical%20and
So, the answer, at least for now, is no – although silicon can sometimes be used biologically as a sort of structural support (and there are some examples claiming silicon as an essential trace element) for carbon-based life - silicon-based life itself does not exist, as far as we know, because of the chemical and physical properties of the element itself. It does make great Sci-Fi though!

We will never unlock our greatness and potential until we stop entertaining thought exercises, SciFi and far fetched theories as Scientific proven realities.

Wormholes, Silicon based life, Moving faster than the speed of Light, all of it made for interesting conversation and riveting storyline plots, but that's all they are.
Not to say chasing those fantasies as realities, has not lead to interesting discoveries and new technologies we might have not discovered otherwise. But keeping perspective where it belongs in the scheme of reality is key.

I believe limited interstellar travel will be possible in the future, where certain criteria align to make it possible. Say a scenario where in our Galactic Orbit, we are set on the collision course that wiped out life on Earth in one of our great extinction events. Where we are pulled near another Galaxy, and our planet will be slated to smash into another planet, debris or Asteroid. It might be possible at that point to build a Space craft that can travel a few thousand years, if not hundreds of years, to reach another planet in that galaxies orbit that will come out unscathed. Or it might even be as quick as a trip to mars depending on how close that planetary object got to us, but will it support life or not, will be the biggest challenge. This will be millions and millions of years after we're gone, that generation will look back at our Scientific Facts, like we look at Greek Mythology.

The Alien exclusion List.
Here's my list of impractical Alien invasion candidates.

Large Insect type creatures: Besides the obvious lack of opposable thumbs, and dexterity to build such a craft. If we look at Earth's evolutionary paths, when Earth had large insects it was due to a large concentration of Oxygen in the atmosphere. Any planetary traveling device would have to 80% larger than necessary to accommodate the Oxygen required for such a long travel. If they made it here, they would be trapped inside their space ship, as our atmosphere wouldn't support them.

Greys: If you know your SciFi lore, you understand that the Greys are possible because they evolved in space, not really from any planet. They lost their muscle mass and grew larger craniums. Because in zero gravity muscle wasn't needed. The minute a Grey stepped off their space ship, the weight of their head would snap their neck into and they would die.

Reptilian Beings: I don't know why an interstellar species would need a tail it would be worthless in the million years it would take to get to their destination. It would seem by time they made the trip they could have evolved to lose the tail. Perhaps by time they made the journey, they would be Avian beings, and not reptilian. How come there aren't any bird aliens, as if Reptiles started the journey then our fossil records show, that in the millions of years, they would have evolved into Bird like creatures.

Neandertals are more suited for Space travel than any of the SciFi usual suspects.