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Bd6r says

WineHorror1 says

Does Russia have a right to exist?

Yes, and so does Ukraine, Chechnia, etc.

So given the situation as is right now (not what was), what would you propose to diffuse (or not) and solve? To me with family and friends in Europe, plus friends and colleagues in the Ukraine, diplomacy is a must now.

mell says

To me with family and friends in Europe, plus friends and colleagues in the Ukraine, diplomacy is a must now.

What did diplomacy achieve before Russian invasion?

WineHorror1 says

This is from an American on the ground in the Ukraine. Sorry for the youtube link...

https://youtu.be/1vdiEABLFoo?source=patrick.net

This guy is either idiot or paid by Russians.
Average Russian lives poor life and they have prostitutes number greater than farmers,doctors and many other professions combined.

Putin is dictator and he is showing his true colors to distract from his failure to provide for russian people.
You don't need to encircle city if you have real support. He is basically trying to take the freedom away from ukereininas like he did for russians.

All the powers to Ukraine to fight this tyrant.

There are millions of Russian protesting against this illegal war like Americans did against invasion of Iraq.
US spent trillions of tax payer money on that war, Same way Putin is going to make Russians beg for food.

I think Putin and Bush should be hanged together by join double noose after justice served by court of people.

Bd6r says

mell says

To me with family and friends in Europe, plus friends and colleagues in the Ukraine, diplomacy is a must now.

What did diplomacy achieve before Russian invasion?

It achieved a lot since most countries aren't at war with Russia or other nations. But what do we do now?

mell says

achieved a lot since most countries aren't at war with Russia or other nations. But what do we do now?

It achieved nothing for Ukraine.
If Ukrainians are losing, there is no reason for Russians to negotiate.
If Ukrainians are winning, there is no reason for Ukrainians to negotiate (other than for Russian surrender).
The only ones who need to negotiate are stupid Europeans who will freeze without Russian gas, and whose payments are enabling Russian aggression.
Greenie politics and muh trump bad has come and bit fucking stupid Western Europe in ass.

Bd6r says

mell says

achieved a lot since most countries aren't at war with Russia or other nations. But what do we do now?

It achieved nothing for Ukraine.
If Ukrainians are losing, there is no reason for Russians to negotiate.
If Ukrainians are winning, there is no reason for Ukrainians to negotiate (other than for Russian surrender).
The only ones who need to negotiate are stupid Europeans who will freeze without Russian gas, and whose payments are enabling Russian aggression.
Greenie politics and muh trump bad has come and bit fucking stupid Western Europe in ass.

Yeah but they are willing to take the consequences, the financial sanctions are pretty drastic. Also I disagree on terms no matter who is winning. You say you are worried so the worst thing to do to a weak animal is to give it no way out. I hope Ukrainians are winning but if so they should give putin an out without giving him a success. Overall I think the steps taken so far have been ok by Europe. Let's see if the talks can bring some path to peace

mell says

but if so they should give putin an out without giving him a success

He will come back once more in some yrs if this happens. Exactly what Dudayev said in 1995

Bd6r says

It achieved nothing for Ukraine.

There haven't been any serious talks about Ukraine since the tensions started

mell says

There haven't been any serious talks about Ukraine since the tensions started

Serious talks do not include Ukrainians raising hands and doing whatever Russians want. Ukies are not French, they are crazy E Europeans

I doubt the sanctions will last very long if at all because it would be Globalists cutting off their nose to spite their face. Sanctions are a bullly move when the target has nothing to trade and everything to lose. The West cannot win because Russia is too critical to fuel and resource production.

The Globalists are already experiencing the populations turning against them for their oppressions of liberty and plandemic murders. If they allow people to start freezing and starving to pursue their criminal agendas, they will, in fact, have to turn their armies on their own people to keep from being torn from their offices and redoubts directly by mobs.

Bd6r says

mell says

There haven't been any serious talks about Ukraine since the tensions started

Serious talks do not include Ukrainians raising hands and doing whatever Russians want. Ukies are not French, they are crazy E Europeans

Ok that makes some sense, I hope you're right for my friends that they're winning. Still there have been plenty of pro Russians inside the Ukraine for a long time, early diplomacy could have avoided all this perhaps, not everyone is gung ho for war. If TX wanted to secede seriously I hope talks would be started long before a civil war.

Ceffer says

doubt the sanctions will last very long if at all because it would be Globalists cutting off their nose to spite their face. Sanctions are a bullly move when the target has nothing to trade and everything to lose. The West cannot win because Russia is too critical to fuel and resource production.

Sanctions will be laughable. They will find a way how to get fuel from RU while enriching few Russian oligarchs

The obvious stuff is fulfillment of the Crimean treaty, and more for Russia! But I would also speculate they weren't too happy about that CIA job we pulled a few years ago in Ukraine, and want to send a strong message that US/NATO is not going to destabilize Russia's border counties they way they have Iran's.

But bottom line, this is all fucked, and the only people who will suffer are citizens, in all countries.

Ceffer says

I doubt the sanctions will last very long if at all because it would be Globalists cutting off their nose to spite their face. Sanctions are a bullly move when the target has nothing to trade and everything to lose. The West cannot win because Russia is too critical to fuel and resource production.

This one picture says so much.


#TrumpWasRightAboutEverything

Everything (except choosing staff, where he has lots of room for improvement)

Bd6r says

Sanctions will be laughable. They will find a way how to get fuel from RU while enriching few Russian oligarchs

Yep, the just gotta determine who gets to be the middleman.

Thanks to this nutjob Putin and his generals we see in real-time what a failed Blitzkrieg looks like. Pathetic performance. I dont think its just sloppiness.....its incapability and weakness.
Try to win a guerilla war against the Ukrainian people & military which are backed by the US and NATO.
Meanwhile, the Russian economy is going to get fucked like never before. Russians - despite all attempts to block the news and western websites - are able to see the failure and embarrassment on a daily basis. Putin's support in his own country is going down the drain. The world is uniting against him and the Ukrainians will be supplied with endless weapons, fuel and ammunition.

We are witnessing the beginning of the end of the Russian empire.

For the US this means a less likely hood of significant rate hikes.....money printing is back on the table. Inflation is now Putin's fault.
Germany is going to print an incremental 100B Euros to supply Ukraine with the finest German weapons and to build up the defense machine on NATO territory.

Bd6r says

Sanctions will be laughable. They will find a way how to get fuel from RU while enriching few Russian oligarchs

Nordstream1 is still pumping.

"We will have severe sanctions, and cut off SWIFT. Well, maybe cut off one bank from SWIFT, and sanction everything but the oil, gas, titanium, neon gas, and a few other odds and ends. That'll teach them Russkies from moving in on our money laundering criminal and biological weapons paradise!"

A Rand study in 2016, two years after the Nuland Coup, stated that if the US continued to supply arms to Ukraine, to hammer away at the breakaway provinces, it would force a response from Russia. So I guess they got what they wanted.
Or at least what Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Huntington Ingalls, et al, wanted.

HeadSet says

Yep, the just gotta determine who gets to be the middleman.

Its already decided. Hungary will now export nat gas from all yuuge sources they have.

clambo says

Putin wants Russia to regain control of its former Soviet satellite countries; he longs for the old days.

This is stupid bullshit. Russia has enough trouble keeping their country together as it is.

Nothing that is going on in Ukraine would have happened if the stupid assholes that run the US didn't overthrow Ukraine. So tired of this bullshit. The US stirs of shit, then a bunch of glowie FUCKS whine and moan about the reaction.

NuttBoxer says

The obvious stuff is fulfillment of the Crimean treaty, and more for Russia! But I would also speculate they weren't too happy about that CIA job we pulled a few years ago in Ukraine, and want to send a strong message that US/NATO is not going to destabilize Russia's border counties they way they have Iran's

An interesting question for myself that I cant answer as of now is why the fuck Putin gave Bidet and co exactly what they wanted, e.i. a war. Now it will be Russia caused inflation to infinity and all problems caused by fed reserve and bidet incompetence will be result of russia as well. Putler would have been better of threatening and backing down and milking Europe with high gas prices. Perhaps botox in combination with covid vaccines have decreased his intellect.

Much of the stuff being promulgated is coming out of Soros funded Maidan type groups for World Consumption

And what kind of people are those?



Let's see, works for Soros-funded NGO, or makes content for big tech. Probably she... knows and likes cats.

Nice patch, by the way. Wolf Demon? Angel Wolf?

Looks awfully like a patch worn in WW2... can't quite place it... it belonged to a divisional or brigade group of the armed wing of a certain political party. The Polish Home Army? No. The Free French? Nope. Hmmm, who wore a patch very much like that.

Bd6r says

why the fuck Putin gave Bidet and co exactly what they wanted

Well...Putin IS a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader according to Klaus Schwab: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/theforumvod/510154188?source=patrick.net
The maniacal old dotard is lying or misremembering, Putin is too old to have been in the 'program', but maybe it indicates his notion of control of Putin to refer to him that way.

AmericanKulak says

Hmmm, who wore a patch very much like that.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/putin-said-russia-targeting-nazis-ukraine-azov-battalion-nazi-group-ukraine/?source=patrick.net

> What Russia wants from it's invasion.

Screw-ups in MSM sometimes let you in on privy info without meaning to do so. There was an article in ria.ru, which was promptly deleted and which is now widely discussed. You may have heard of it already. It's an essay pre-written for the scenario in which Russia had taken over Ukraine. The article glorifies Putin who fixes the tragedy of 1991 and who now had solved the Ukrainian question.

The article was published on 02/26, and then promptly deleted because things didn't go as planned. It's available on web archives for those who can read Russian or use translator.

Twitter reference (by Christo Grozev):
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1498025819054264328?source=patrick.net
web archives:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html?source=patrick.net

Oh, and F U vata propaganda trolls.

AmericanKulak says

Much of the stuff being promulgated is coming out of Soros funded Maidan type groups for World Consumption

And what kind of people are those?



Let's see, works for Soros-funded NGO, or makes content for big tech. Probably she... knows and likes cats.

Nice patch, by the way. Wolf Demon? Angel Wolf?

Looks awfully like a patch worn in WW2... can't quite place it... it belonged to a divisional or brigade group of the armed wing of a certain political party. The Polish Home Army? No. The Free French? Nope. Hmmm, who wore a patch very much like that.

Dude, that post is a joke, it’s sarcasm. Don’t take that shot seriously.

Fortwaynemobile says

AmericanKulak says

Much of the stuff being promulgated is coming out of Soros funded Maidan type groups for World Consumption

And what kind of people are those?



Let's see, works for Soros-funded NGO, or makes content for big tech. Probably she... knows and likes cats.

Nice patch, by the way. Wolf Demon? Angel Wolf?

Looks awfully like a patch worn in WW2... can't quite place it... it belonged to a divisional or brigade group of the armed wing of a certain political party. The Polish Home Army? No. The Free French? Nope. Hmmm, who wore a patch very much like that.

Dude, that post is a joke, it’s sarcasm. Don’t take that shot seriously.

Looks like Russia's only reason for war is a small bunch of people wearing crossed-out Z on their patches which reminds somebody someting. That's pretty much it. It's been 8 fucking years since Maidan. Four elections ( 2 Pres, 2 Rada) with singnificant change of political paries in power every time. Were any Joos murdered? Are there gas chambers and crematoriums? There must be something, anything. Where is it? How come nobody has any intelligence, footage of genocidal killings, etc. Only pictures of some patches.

This justifies dropping ballistic missiles on million+ cities? What happened to all the opposition to Iraq war? When were you fucking Putler's brides sincere - then or now?

https://greatgameindia.com/ukraine-crisis-germany/?source=patrick.net

In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in.

Sounds believable, but then why did Biden lift sanctions on Nordstream 2?

Nord Stream 2: Biden waives US sanctions on Russian pipeline
Published20 May 2021

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674?source=patrick.net

Please take some time to have a listen to JC Hall's translation of Putin's speech explaining the Russian actions in Ukraine.

This individual is a former Russian linguist Army Veteran. His translation appears to be straight up, not propagandized by media manipulation.

episode 1429: https://anchor.fm/the-krisanne-hall-show/episodes/Episode-1429---YouTube-Is-Back-Up-e1eu0kk?source=patrick.net

https://t.me/greatreject/31379?source=patrick.net

Putin does have a point that the US just flagrantly lied about "weapons of mass destruction" to justify the invasion of Iraq after a bunch of Saudis attacked the US on 9/11.

Russia does have a legitimate security concern about NATO expanding to its border, but the US had no legitimate concern about Iraq threatening it.

Patrick says

Sounds believable, but then why did Biden lift sanctions on Nordstream 2?

He did with a caveat: if Russia messed with Ukraine at all, the pipeline was to be immediately canceled. And when Russia decided to “recognize” two breakaway pieces of Ukraine as sovereign states, Biden invoked that clause and cancelled the pipeline. Putin invaded the next day.
Are the events linked? Sure seems that way. I think this could all be over at once if Nordstream 2 was allowed to operate.

Eric Holder says

This justifies dropping ballistic missiles on million+ cities?

Are there?

We'll see the damage in a few months.

Go pull up a map of Ukraine today, and record the street views on a few dozen places. Revisit in a year.

I noticed that Libya and Syria's street views have all but disappeared on google maps.

Bd6r says

The only ones who need to negotiate are stupid Europeans who will freeze without Russian gas,

Yes. This is correct.

Before the CIA overthrew Ukraine, was the current conflict even a remote possibility?

The US doesn't want a prosperous Russia, and they want to control Europe's access to energy. Why does the US have any say about the completion of the Nordstream II? Well, might makes right. The US federal government is as predatory on European citizens as they are on American citizens.

richwicks says

The US doesn't want a prosperous Russia, and they want to control Europe's access to energy.

Why did Biden remove sanctions from Northstream2 immediately after coming into the office? Makes no sense if control of energy is what US wants.

Why was Russian gas flowing through Ukrainian pipelines for the last 8 years and still flows FUCKING NOW? Wasn't the whole point of "CIA coup of 2014" to stop the transit?

The transfer of Russian gas supplies through the Ukrainian gas transmission system is expected to remain close to maximum required capacity through Sunday, data from the Gas Transmission Operator of Ukraine (GTOU) and GSA Platform indicates.
Current orders for the pumping of Russian gas through Ukraine are amounted to 107.33 million cubic meters, close to the maximum contractual obligations for Gazprom (which average about 109 million cubic meters per day).
Data shows that the pumping of Russian gas through the Ukrainian gas transit system has grown sharply since Thursday, when Russia kicked off its “special military operation” in Ukraine aimed at “demilitarizing” and “denazifying” the country. On Saturday, 108.1 million cubic meters of gas were delivered through the Ukrainian transit system, according to Gazprom. For comparison, deliveries through the network last Monday amounted to less than 50 million cubic meters.

https://sputniknews.com/20220227/russias-gazprom-continues-transit-of-gas-via-ukraine-in-regular-mode-1093418875.html

Or this is Mockingbird too? Are Sputnik and Gazprom in on the racket?

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

The US doesn't want a prosperous Russia, and they want to control Europe's access to energy.

Why did Biden remove sanctions from Northstream2 immediately after coming into the office? Makes no sense if control of energy is what US wants.

I don't spend ANY time listening to what these assholes CLAIM they are going to do, or even pay attention to any of the bullshit agreements they CLAIM they have made.

Show me the agreement that was signed.

I waste ZERO time listening to our "news". Zero. Show me the document. Show me this actually happened, because I have a government that fucking lies to me, and a press that will push those lies. DID Biden remove sanctions? Show me, prove it.

Nothing in this country is MORE FULL OF SHIT than our intelligence agencies, then our government, and then our press in that order.

Eric Holder says

Why did Biden remove sanctions from Northstream2 immediately after coming into the office? Makes no sense if control of energy is what US wants.

Why was Russian gas flowing through Ukrainian pipelines for the last 8 years and still flows FUCKING NOW? Wasn't the whole point of "CIA coup of 2014" to stop the transit?

Maybe the bribes paid to Biden and Hunter are paying off for someone.