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socal2 says

For the killing to stop, Richwicks needs Ukraine to lose AND the dissolution of NATO - AND the downfall of the US Government?

Please, do not strawman me.

The idea that Russia is just going to fold up and disappear is about as stupid as thinking that the Iraq war will pay for itself, and we'd be greeted like liberators.

I do not expect the war to end any time soon. I expect the duration to be AT LEAST as long as this Biden presidency. Minimum 2 more years, I expect it to actually be 5+ years.

https://patrick.net/post/1343140/2021-12-29-a-ukraine-war-and-the-end-of-russia?start=1#comment-1808895

That's what I think, and I said that before the war began. I had HOPE it would be quick, but no. This is yet another stupid proxy war, and it's going to go on for a long time.

The killing isn't going to stop. All the Ukrainian men of fighting age and ability are going to be killed, it will be staffed with mercenaries, THEY will be killed. China might enter into this on the Russian side just to get practice for a real war which the US is threatening.

socal2 says

Nah - I think the easiest way to stop the needless death and destruction is for Putin to remove his crap-ass invading army out of Ukraine.

He's not going to do this. Putin isn't some fucking dictator, even real dictators need a set of support to keep power. If Putin drops dead of "cancer" (remember when he had cancer, supposedly?), or whatever, Medvedev will just continue on this path. It was Medvedev that went into Georgia when S. Ossetia was attacked. THAT was done in just a day, Georgia is a lot smaller than Ukraine.

Georgia was doing the same bullshit too. Had US puppet president, was pretending that they were going to join the EU, asking for membership in NATO. It was like a little Ukraine.

You know how I know this war is going to go on for a good, fucking long time, that's every war the United States starts. The US was in Afghanistan for 20 years, what was the mission of that? There's no mission in Ukraine either.

I don't know why people keep falling for US propaganda over and over again. Some of the propaganda about this is so stupid, I don't see how you can have ANY trust in the US claims about what this war is even about. You seriously think the US is concerned with sovereignty of Ukraine? I think they have a couple of reasons for this conflict, they want to weaken Russia, they want to restart the Cold War, they want to end energy exports of Russia to Europe, they want to sell energy to Europe, they want to keep the world on the US dollar as well. Probably a 1/2 dozen more reasons than that, and a few I am entirely oblivious about.

In another year or two, our media will just stop mentioning Ukraine but the war will continue. I remember in 2013 I asked my cousin is similarly interested in all these stupid conflicts "are we still at war with Afghanistan?" and he wasn't certain. Our media just stopped reporting on it. Are we still at war in Syria? Yes, we are. Our media just stops talking about it, and nobody knows and they are like "hey, when did that war end?" - that's what's going to happen with Ukraine. It's going to go on FOREVER.

richwicks says

socal2 says

For the killing to stop, Richwicks needs Ukraine to lose AND the dissolution of NATO - AND the downfall of the US Government?

Please, do not strawman me.

You flat out said: "With the dissolution of the NATO and the failure of the US government".

richwicks says

You know how I know this war is going to go on for a good, fucking long time, that's every war the United States starts. The US was in Afghanistan for 20 years, what was the mission of that? There's no mission in Ukraine either.

All the US wars since Vietnam were small bush fires compared to massive human atrocity happening in Ukraine.

Russia lost nearly double the troops in Ukraine in 12 months than the US lost in Vietnam over 10 years. The US had around 2.000 hostile action deaths in Afghanistan over a 20 year period. Russia is losing that many people almost every week in Ukraine. Russia only lost about 10,000 troops in Afghanistan back in the 80's and that was enough for them to pull out.

Russia's demographics were a basket case before the war and are only worse now with so many of their young men dead and planted in the frozen ground in Eastern Ukraine.

I really don't think Russia can keep up this tempo. Any future big pushes to Kiev are off the table - so all they will be able to do is try to hunker down and defend themselves in the land they currently occupy in Eastern Ukraine.

What a shit show.

socal2 says

richwicks says

socal2 says

For the killing to stop, Richwicks needs Ukraine to lose AND the dissolution of NATO - AND the downfall of the US Government?

Please, do not strawman me.

You flat out said: "With the dissolution of the NATO and the failure of the US government".

Yes, this is a real possibility. This is a real fucking possibility.

socal2 says

All the US wars since Vietnam were small bush fires compared to massive human atrocity happening in Ukraine.

Pfft - are you kidding? Vietnam got something like 2 million killed. Ukraine is nothing compared to it - that includes Cambodia where the US supported the Khmer Rouge.

We need to stop doing this shit. We only fuck things up, and it damages this nation. Why the fuck are we doing this? Well Northrop Grumman's stock is going up! Nancy Pelosi is making a fucking fortune on it. That's all that bitch cares about, and if it it kills 150,000 Ukrainians, oh well.

You need to understand what a sociopath is, there's LOTS of them in our government.
socal2 says

Russia lost nearly double the troops in Ukraine in 12 months than the US lost in Vietnam over 10 years

Do not trust any news in a time of war.

In Vietnam, the US reported 1 death for every 10 Americans death, and this wasn't revealed until after the war.

We do not know. Accept that.

socal2 says

I really don't think Russia can keep up this tempo. Any future big pushes to Kiev are off the table - so all they will be able to do is try to hunker down and defend themselves in the land they currently occupy in Eastern Ukraine.

What a shit show.

War is always a shit show, that's why it should be avoided, and why I hate the fucking Neocons so goddamned much.

This entire conflict was caused by them. Fuck them.

Don't trust our media, it lies constantly. The same is true of our government. Fuck them all. All they do is lie to us, and I can show you blaring examples of this:

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Is our media so fucking stupid they believed this was a Ukrainian fighter pilot or do they think you're so fucking stupid you would believe he was a Ukrainian fighter pilot?

This is our propaganda. It's stupid and childish. It's insulting I have to see this in my nation. It's embarrassing. I guarantee this is used as Russian propaganda today. This is an example of "how fucking dumb Americans are". We did the same thing to the USSR 40 years ago. Radio Free America showed how stupid the propaganda was in Russia then. It helped to collapse them, and good riddance. It was an empire built on lies.

Now we are the empire built on lies. Find the weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet? FUCK BUSH.

I don't think Russia cares about Kiev. On to Odessa and Transnistria perhaps, upon which anything coming from Kiev will be a hollow wind. Kiev will be landlocked, depleted of resources with hobbling infrastructure, all that Babylonian debt pending for their proxy war for the NWO, a bunch of 'leaders' emigrated with as much of the treasuries, black market swag and laundered money they can lay their hands on and no further viable organized criminal enterprises of scale to attract the Globalists or the West, not to mention the piles of dead men and the liability of the surviving wounded. I will be surprised if the Russians don't do that after they wrap up Bahkmut.

Who knows, when it finishes, Kiev might ask to repatriate to Russia for bailouts and to have a daddy state (maybe after Poland, Rumania and Hungary take their bites of territory). It'll be weird whatever happens.

socal2 says

For the killing to stop, Richwicks needs Ukraine to lose AND the dissolution of NATO - AND the downfall of the US Government?

Anything else?

That's about it. Mostly we need the downfall of this illegitimate government that has coopted Ukraine into a money laundry.

Dissolution of NATO would just be a bonus.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/level-four-friday-april-14-2023-c

Last night, Tucker Carlson also got it, he found the real story in all the noise. Tucker broadcast his monologue about the actual significance of this story: the constant lying and the illegal, unauthorized proxy war.

Fox’s most popular commenter correctly identified that the U.S. isn’t just helping out an underdog democratic government fight off an evil invader. This is actually World War III:

“The slides show that this is not Ukraine’s war. It’s our war. The United States is a direct combatant in a war against Russia. As we speak, American soldiers are fighting Russian soldiers. So this is not a regional conflict in Eastern Europe. This is a hot war between the two primary nuclear superpowers on Earth.”

Tucker also noted that the government’s internal records say the reverse opposite of the lies the U.S. government and its credulous cronies in the corporate media have been peddling for 14 months:

“The second thing we learned from these slides is that despite direct U.S. involvement, Ukraine is in fact losing the war. Seven Ukrainians are being killed for every Russian. Ukrainian air defenses have been utterly degraded. Ukraine is losing.”

Don’t listen to Tucker, he’s a Putin-lover!

Tucker also accurately concluded that, absent Congressional approval, the proxy war is radioactive-level illegal: “But Lloyd Austin has not been arrested for committing that crime,” Tucker said. “Instead, the only man who has been taken into custody or likely ever will be, is a 21 year old Massachusetts air national guardsmen.”

Here’s Tucker’s 10-minute monologue:

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1646684037023514630?ref_src=patrick.net

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/disorder-is-the-order-of-the-day/

... I guess our cyber-security isn’t what it’s cracked up to be. But then, neither is our war effort in Ukraine. Yes, our war effort. We own this war from tail to snout, lock, stock, and barrel, the whole shootin’ match. We started it (in 2014, when we began the preps there), we goaded the Russians into it in bad faith, and now we’re losing it. Why? Because it was a stupid venture from the get-go. Now, it’s really a matter of how psychotic our government’s reaction will be when the Russians restore order to the place.

Restore order? That’s right. I believe that’s what they’re aiming to do. Our country went into Ukraine to create disorder in that corner of the world — which has been within Russia’s sphere-of-influence for over three hundred years, you understand. ...

The mysterious “Joe Biden” regime, in its brief two-plus years of service, has proven especially adept at creating fiascos. Are they aiming for the gold ring in this Ukraine gambit, that is, nuclear war? People seriously wonder. Or is something else going on? Blogger (and ex-CIA agent) Larry Johnson says the leak was done for a specific purpose, namely to shove “Joe Biden” out of the White House. Yes, our Deep State is at it again. Why, because “Joe Biden” can no longer be trusted to even pretend he’s chief executive. (Well, maybe they shouldn’t have installed him in the first place.)

Larry also reminds us that, conveniently, an Obama-era whistleblower named Mike McCormick, who accompanied Veep Joe Biden’s delegation to Ukraine in 2014, has stepped forward to detail Biden family grifting operations there, with the help of then-aide (now National Security Advisor) Jake Sullivan. It’s like somebody is laying out a case for impeachment — or resignation. One really off-the-wall theory floating “out there” has Veep Kamala Harris being induced to take Dianne Feinstein’s senate seat (DF, 89, is very ill), and “Joe Biden” then appointing Barack Obama to be Veep — with BHO stepping back into the White House when “JB” exits (or gets exited). Note, the XXII Amendment only prohibits a person from being “elected” president more than twice. No mention of appointment. Now there’s a real Catch-22! ...

Whatever the Mike McCormick whistleblower matter means, it’s only an additional layer to the rotten onion of Biden family corruption, the millions of dollars flowing into their bank accounts from all over the planet. This treasonous business has been right in America’s face for three years. The Hunter Biden laptop alone is crammed with hard evidence of felonies that the federal justice system has willfully managed to ignore. Rep. James Comer’s House Oversight Committee sits on a raft of Biden family bank records detailing hundreds of flagged suspicious transactions. ...

In the meantime, though, we’re likely to see the collapse of the Ukraine war effort. The recriminations from that should be huge, with calls for General Milley and SecDef Austin to step down just for starters and turmoil through the Pentagon command. Imagine also the confused rage of American voters who watched over $100-billion squandered on this stupid misadventure, including the estimated $300-million that Mr. Zelensky stuffed in his pockets.

Also, in the meantime, watch the rapidly accelerating move away from the dollar in global trade settlements as many other nations lose confidence in the floundering USA. That, of course, will affect the value of the dollar. The Federal Reserve will be helpless to manage the consequences of that, and the problem will be hugely aggravated if other nations start dumping the US Treasury bonds and bills they hold. In short, at the same time the Ukraine is lost and the “Joe Biden” regime falls apart, we get a king-hell financial crisis combined with a cratering on the-ground economy. Things stop moving, including food.

Triple-also, in the meantime, the spooky question of Covid vaccine deaths rises to the previously resistant public’s attention, and they realize that they have been poisoned by their own government, now in ominous convulsion. All of this will make starkly clear that America suffers a dangerous leadership vacuum. This is not civil war. This is something else. But what?

Strange. One gets the impression that Kuntsler might regard it all as a stroke of bad luck management instead of the execution of the planned destruction of America. So, is Obama supposed to complete the task of getting us into WWIII with nukes for real? Biden has been dead for a while and Obama has become more exposed than he thought he ever would be. Will they have another fake Federal trial like Jizzlaine and Sam for a masked Biden? Only time will tell.

As far as the obvious false flag 'leak', means, motive and opportunity are still a bit up in the air. The Deep State are always acting out of preening arrogance, now, but seldom out of logic or reason. Are the corruptocrats finally getting tapped out?

An opinion cited here. Having an obvious patsy ploy does not bode well that DS isn't up to something. Maybe they want an excuse to back out of a bad situation that continues to deteriorate and this their message in a bottle, since all 'official' proclamations are obligatory lies and propaganda. Backdoor reportage?
It is interesting that Mossad is somehow fingered in the Israeli riots. Lower management making a move, or just disinfo? It's all really just more guess work until there is substantiation and things triangulate.
This is what you would call the 'pleadings' stage where the accusations are framed. The verification, proof and examination phases later.

https://t.me/riseofthenewmedia/2138

AND another opinion in the planned leak corner, with motive cited. Started with British news front that's British Intel? Always somehow winds up back with them, doesn't it?:

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/36771
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1646974102618480641?ref_src=patrick.net

The crash landing with respect to us foreign policy?

You mean when they finally admit that the deep state runs foreign policy under the direction and to the pleasure of the globalists Satanic cabal?

Patrick says

This is not civil war. This is something else. But what?

We haven’t heard from the kid Texiera yet. But he could be another Snowden. THe military seems to have a lot of trouble keeping classified documents secure.

Ceffer says

As far as the obvious false flag 'leak', means,

I don’t think it is obviously anything. It seems most plausible that just like with the train derailments, explosions and hazardous materials/radioactive leaks that America is full of incompetent people who can’t seem to do anything without causing a problem of some sort.

PeopleUnited says

The crash landing with respect to us foreign policy?

You mean when they finally admit that the deep state runs foreign policy under the direction and to the pleasure of the globalists Satanic cabal?

No, it's when Ukraine gets crushed, NATO has to admit defeat, and this entire war was nothing but the mass murder of many many Ukrainians, and probably about 1/6th the number of Russians.

There's no sides to support in a war. I don't understand the purpose of propaganda, it's not like the propaganda will change anything here. Our politicians do whatever they want to do, and Russians aren't going to hear US propaganda - they LAUGH at it. This is from a RUSSIAN source, because Morgan Freeman got embarrassed and removed it:


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The Russians OPENLY mock US propaganda now. Just like we used to mock Russian propaganda 40 years ago.

This war was just the latest string of Neocon failures, and that's all they do, is fail. Either they're legitimately a 5th column, or they are just the most incompetent assholes ever to run our State Department. They have no reverse gear, even when it's blatantly clear they fucked up, they keep fucking up, and make it as bad as possible. What did we get out of Afghanistan, or Syria? What did we get out of Libya?

You could argue we got SOMETHING out of the Ukraine / Russian war - we ended most energy shipments to Europe. We're the suppliers now. If Russia is ENTIRELY dependent on China for export of energy, China controls the price. They're going to have to make deal with India, direct deals.

https://babylonbee.com/news/ferrari-driving-zelensky-reminds-americans-of-the-importance-of-filing-your-taxes

PeopleUnited says

We haven’t heard from the kid Texiera yet. But he could be another Snowden. THe military seems to have a lot of trouble keeping classified documents secure.

Controlled leak.

21-year old Guardsmen don't get access to big picture documents. If they do, the real story is our shitty intelligence security.

This is my latest post. It's here to demonstrate a bug.

AmericanKulak says

PeopleUnited says

We haven’t heard from the kid Texiera yet. But he could be another Snowden. THe military seems to have a lot of trouble keeping classified documents secure.

Controlled leak.

21-year old Guardsmen don't get access to big picture documents. If they do, the real story is our shitty intelligence security.

He was doing maintenance on computers and stumbled across the files. It might have been a set up to get him to do it, or it might just be incompetence in security measures. But either way it seems reasonable that he made the decision on his own to leak the info.

richwicks says

No, it's when Ukraine gets crushed, NATO has to admit defeat, and this entire war was nothing but the mass murder of many many Ukrainians, and probably about 1/6th the number of Russians.

Ukraine was crushed the moment they became “independent “ of Russia and gave up their nukes. It just took a couple of decades for the chickens to come home to roost.

No doubt there are more dead Ukrainians than dead Russians in this proxy war with the US.

It would have ended in days if not for the US meddling in it. It won’t end until US stops meddling or Ukraine decides enough people have died.

RWSGFY says

You know Ukraine has already lost, right? They are fucked for decades barring massive western support that simply will never materialize given the current global economic situation. An entire generation of men lost, thousands dispersed into the diaspora most to never come back to that shit hole, and an infrastructure disaster.

What exactly does victory mean?

PeopleUnited says

Ukraine was crushed the moment they became “independent “ of Russia and gave up their nukes. It just took a couple of decades for the chickens to come home to roost.

Russia didn't care as long as they remained neutral and wouldn't host NATO weaponry.

Russia really doesn't care about the civil war in Ukraine that started in 2014, they don't care about people, but that's their excuse for this war. Ukraine should have taken away that excuse.

And you don't understand nuclear weaponry, Ukraine never controlled them. They were Russian nuclear weapons. Russia knew where all of them were located, because they placed them there, and they had the lockcodes on them, and their direction and where they impacted. Stop thinking people are stupid, they're not.

I studied Russian encryption, in some ways, it was superior in our own. It was slower, but it was more complex. Their version of DES had 4 more rounds, and was randomized based on the key. They used SBoxes just like we do, and the US bragged they reduced it to 16, but was it superior? I don't know, encryption is very difficult and I'm not a mathematician. You can say that the USSR stole our technological knowledge, but it's just as likely, we stole theirs.

PeopleUnited says

No doubt there are more dead Ukrainians than dead Russians in this proxy war with the US.

It would have ended in days if not for the US meddling in it. It won’t end until US stops meddling or Ukraine decides enough people have died.

Our government doesn't care how many die. If every single Ukrainian is killed, if it weakens Russia by 0.01%, they're fine with it. If it destroys the US economy and Europe, they're OK with that too. Psychopaths run our nation - they REALLY do, and that's the problem is people just can't believe it.

How's Palestine Ohio doing? Oh, it's not in the news, out of sight out of mind. If every East Palestinian in Ohio drops dead in 3 years, they don't give a shit, it will never show up in the "news" anyhow.

And you won't remember. Remember Dawit Kelete? Remember him? Out of sight out of mind. It's entirely true.

richwicks says

And you don't understand nuclear weaponry,

What I do know is that electronics are reprogrammable but the materials for making nuclear weapons are much harder to come by. If Ukraine was smart, they would have stripped down their nukes, reprogrammed them and made them functional while at the same time making them unavailable to anyone else. But they sacrificed liberty for “peace and safety “ in the end they got what they deserved, neither liberty nor peace.richwicks says

Stop thinking people are stupid, they're not.

Ukraine was stupid, they gave up their only bargaining chip. And after that the West made them pay for it, and now Russia is returning the favor.
richwicks says

Psychopaths run our nation

No, that is not the whole truth. Satanic globalists run the world. There are satanic globalist minions in places of power across the country and across the world. And they are skilled at manipulating everyone to do their bidding. World War II is a prime example, but they have been at work for centuries shaping the world through their control of the world banks.

@PeopleUnited

I'm too tired to write html right now:

Ukraine abandoned their liberty and peace when they allowed the United States government to enact a coup against them and allowed this to lead to a civil war. Western Ukraine abandoned democratic values.

Nuclear weapons have to be periodically refined. Even when the weapon is sitting still, the warhead degrades and produces heat and gamma radiation, it's a nuclear tip, it degrades in time, and you have to go through refinement to make it usable again. It's refinement of isotopes, and it's not trivial. We used to use gas diffusion to do this, but we have better methods now, but it's still laborious. The complexity involved is so stunning, it's surprising anybody has nuclear weapons at all.

And what is the difference between psychopaths and "Satanic globalists"? A psychopath will agree to any ideology if they believe it advantages them.

The difference is that most Americans, including those that run the courts, police, elections, etc.. are regular people, not psychopaths nor satanist.

On the other hand, the satanist globalists who run the world are coordinated: working together with other satanist globalists. These globalists are using psychopaths as wall as sane people, manipulating both to do their will and consolidate the satanist control. So it only seems like psychopaths are in control, but really the globalists manipulating the psychopaths are at war with God, His people, and the principle of liberty and justice for all. Satan wants to be worshipped in place of God, his goal is that everything and everyone who stands in the way of that must be destroyed. Satan therefore promotes everything God hates. Until you understand the hidden agenda (aka the spiritual realm and spiritual warfare) you babble on about things you haven’t even comprehended.

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-warns-that-if-debt-ceiling-isnt-raised-we-might-default-on-our-obligations-to-ukraine

Belgorod is liberated:

A Russian warplane dropped a bomb on a Russian city of more than 400,000 people late Thursday, leaving a crater 40 meters (130 feet) across, blowing a car onto a roof and damaging buildings in what state media called an “emergency release of an air ordnance.”
A Russian Su-34 aircraft, a twin-engine fighter-bomber, released the munition over the city of Belgorod, 40 kilometers (24.8 miles) north of the border with Ukraine, according to reports from state news agencies RIA Novosti and TASS.

This is some very harrowing trench war footage.

You can see the Russians just a few feet away throwing grenades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHZ3mPNxF_w

RWSGFY says

Belgorod is liberated:

A Russian warplane dropped a bomb on a Russian city of more than 400,000 people late Thursday, leaving a crater 40 meters (130 feet) across, blowing a car onto a roof and damaging buildings in what state media called an “emergency release of an air ordnance.”
A Russian Su-34 aircraft, a twin-engine fighter-bomber, released the munition over the city of Belgorod, 40 kilometers (24.8 miles) north of the border with Ukraine, according to reports from state news agencies RIA Novosti and TASS.

Go easy on them, it’s not like the US never dropped a bomb on its own people while fighting a proxy war to make the world safe for democracy.

PeopleUnited says

RWSGFY says

Belgorod is liberated:

A Russian warplane dropped a bomb on a Russian city of more than 400,000 people late Thursday, leaving a crater 40 meters (130 feet) across, blowing a car onto a roof and damaging buildings in what state media called an “emergency release of an air ordnance.”
A Russian Su-34 aircraft, a twin-engine fighter-bomber, released the munition over the city of Belgorod, 40 kilometers (24.8 miles) north of the border with Ukraine, according to reports from state news agencies RIA Novosti and TASS.

Go easy on them, it’s not like the US never dropped a bomb on its own people while fighting a proxy war to make the world safe for democracy.

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/04/18/9-11-hijackers-cia-recruits/

Bombshell filing: 9/11 hijackers were CIA recruits

Fucking told you.

richwicks says

Bombshell filing: 9/11 hijackers were CIA recruits

Yeah that makes sense. Every good Muslim is just waiting to be recruited by the CIA to do a suicide mission. Allah commands all good Muslims to go to work for the CIA.

The only part that doesn’t make sense is they claim the CIA Muslims were on the plane that hit the pentagon, but I thought the plane hitting the pentagon was a farce.

I guess that’s OK, if the CIA is good enough to recruit Muslims willing to kill themselves for an American directed false flag attack then those guys are good at what they do, and can probably blow up the pentagon with whatever they want, planes, missiles, probably even a pizza delivery sedan.

PeopleUnited says

Yeah that makes sense. Every good Muslim is just waiting to be recruited by the CIA to do a suicide mission.

Who said they were good muslims?

Our CIA was involved in 9/11. Our government killed around 3,000 people to start an endless series of war, to prop up the MIC, and create the bullshit "war on terror".

PeopleUnited says

The only part that doesn’t make sense is they claim the CIA Muslims were on the plane that hit the pentagon, but I thought the plane hitting the pentagon was a farce.

A plane clearly hit the pentagon. The question is, how did a hijacked commercial airliner enter the most restricted airspace to hit the national headquarters of the department of defense?

Well, that's because it was the plan. Our government COMMONLY kills people to make martyrs.

Until the people that did 9/11 are rooted out, and executed, we remain in danger. Our government has betrayed us.

richwicks says

Who said they were good muslims?

Who else is crazy enough to kill themselves for an op?

richwicks says

Until the people that did 9/11 are rooted out, and executed,

Well most of them are dead. Though we don’t know who planted the explosives in the towers. richwicks says

we remain in danger.

We will always be in danger. But what is more dangerous than the inherent danger of living in a fallen world is the hubris to think your actions can remove the danger.

The only safety comes from knowing Jesus: 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

Until the people that did 9/11 are rooted out, and executed,

Well most of them are dead. Though we don’t know who planted the explosives in the towers.

Why do you think that is? Weird I know, but our "intelligence agencies" don't know. Isn't that odd? I guess I'm some sort of super genius, or my government is run by traitors.

PeopleUnited says

The only safety comes from knowing Jesus

I envy your faith, but it's impossible for me. It's said that that the first sip from the cup of natural science makes one an atheist, but at the bottom of the cup, God awaits. I'm still drinking, but it's quite a large drink. If I finish that cup, I don't think I'll find what you believe in. I think I'll find what I believed in at 3, seriously. I think if there is a God it's innate in us, and it's perverted through organized religion. We don't have to be taught it, we're born with it.

We don't need to be taught, there's no central religious leaders, there's no way to exploit it monetarily, it's just within us all. IF there is a god.

richwicks says

A plane clearly hit the pentagon you said. Yet you know that there is no way a big lunkering airliner could pass through that airspace and at that low altitude without being diverted or shot down. The question is, how can people believe that a hijacked commercial airliner could enter the most restricted airspace to hit the national headquarters of the department of defense?

It couldn't have been a missle?
And how about the 4th plane that crashed into the forest and buried itself? lol