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MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

I would say maybe 10-20% of Republicans at best support mandates, which would be NeverTrumpers plus maybe a handful of a few really Old and Scared people.

That seems right to me. When I was canvassing for the recall, one old lady told me (from behind the door) that she was a Republican but she like Gavin because “he has balls!” So I gathered she liked the Covidian stuff.
Her house went up for sale this week, so I guess she probably died. All that fear and she was headed to the same place anyway.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

By the numbers: More than 222 million people in the U.S. have received at least one dose of the vaccine. About 70% of adults are fully vaccinated, per the CDC.

Is this True, or does anybody think they're exaggerating by 10, 20, 30% to create a bandwagon illusion?

I thought the numbers were high being spouted out a couple weeks or months back. I'm actually starting to believe them. Pretty much everyone I've asked has the vaccine fully.

I actually am starting to believe this was just a HUGE fuck up by government. They bought all these vaccines thinking people would want them. 30% don't want them. These bought and paid for vaccines, likely with kickbacks and insider trading, are sitting on the shelf so they resort to shaming people for their financial fuck up. The Biden admin is scared of something is the way I look at it. I can't go a day without seeing someone getting a shot on TV (on in the background, not watching).

I don't think it's as nefarious as some believe, though who knows. Not happy with my wife's reaction though. I won't take it because of my genetics. My uncle is the longest surviving on my dad's side of the family by a long shot and he's about to hit 70. Most of the previous generations died of heart attacks/failure by 45-50. I have high BP mostly under control, but I know I could get a medical exemption.

I also don't trust your "office" doctors as I like to call them. It's no different than going to a State Farm office. Sure they'll get you auto insurance, but is it the best? Likely no. They are the doctors that got the paper degree, but weren't good enough to specialize in something. So they have a nurse take your temp, BP, check ears and throat and throw pills at you. Fucking eye doctors find more diseases or issues than your typical urgent care doc.

WookieMan says

I actually am starting to believe this was just a HUGE fuck up by government. They bought all these vaccines thinking people would want them. 30% don't want them.

Nope not a “mistake” this whole thing is deliberate and preplanned. They call it a plandemic for a reason, it is being used as a catalyst for the great reset new world order global government, economic and religious takeover.

Think of the vaxx as a shit test, they are testing us to see how much shit we will take. Thankfully today at least 30% won’t eat the shit. But now they know who the shit eaters are, and who the abstainers are. The target is on the abstainers, because they have demonstrated they will not be easily controlled. They must be re-educated or eliminated. That is the next step for these totalitarian godless bastards (And yes, that includes any “religious leader” who advocates for mandates).

PeopleUnited says

Think of the vaxx as a shit test, they are testing us to see how much shit we will take. Thankfully today at least 30% won’t eat the shit. But now they know who the shit eaters are, and who the abstainers are. The target is on the abstainers, because they have demonstrated they will not be easily controlled. They must be re-educated or eliminated. That is the next step for these totalitarian godless bastards (And yes, that includes any “religious leader” who advocates for mandates).

They're pivoting to Global Warming already.

But the next physical step is Cash Free Society.

It's going to be pushed on three primary arguments, both bullshit: 1) That Cash is Expensive to Produce (it isn't) and 2) Cash helps spread disease (it doesn't) and 3) Paper and Metal Coins somehow hurt the environment (It's negligible)

However, the one problem with banning cash is the huge moneymaker that Human Smuggling and Drug Trafficking is, and Elites make a fortune from that activity.

As far as fake-Covid and vaccines are concerned, we are in a dense fog bank filled with speculation. Vaccine rates are lower than they want or they wouldn't be so thuggish, mendacious or hysterical about pushing them. Also, all kinds of people will just fake to give the appearance of conformity, lying when they have no vaccine or not getting seconds or boosters. Nobody really knows how many people got placebos or saline. I would bet a C note at least that a very large majority of physicians and health professionals faked their vaccine status and that of their families, because it would be easy for them to do so and most shouldn't be that dumb to actually take them.

We just don't know, and everything that is claimed to be known and what is claimed to be known iis essentially disinformation. I would not personally put the vaccination rate at higher than 45 percent anywhere.

The lady that does my hair, after her horrific experience with the jab, says she will not have any boosters. Strange, I spent a few conversations telling her not to get it, she then announced for the usual sucker-punch altruism that she was going to get it. I slipped and said 'Oh, I hope you survive!' and then bit my tongue. The reports of adverse effects came later, and she just recently admitted she was in very bad condition for four months even after over a week of acute, deep illness after the second shsot, but didn't mention the obvious memory problems.

Ceffer says

We just don't know, and everything that is claimed to be known and what is claimed to be known iis essentially disinformation. I would not personally put the vaccination rate at higher than 45 percent anywhere.

I agree. I think it's somewhere around 50% in the USA.

It's also the WRONG people. Why they want to enslave everybody, the group they really want to get is Suburban and Rural White Males. They know they have the LookitmeSoSmartAndVirtuousAndHip Coastal Bohemian Bourgeoisie.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

They're pivoting to Global Warming already.

Well, actually they are just circling around to gloBull warming. But that is not all they are doing. They are erasing history (literally topping and removing monuments), censoring and/vilifying any speech that doesn’t fit the narrative, destroying the ability of the free market economy to function, they are normalizing mental illness and deviant/unnatural desires, they control most churches, most universities, And key positions of power in most local, state and national governments, they control most media. I agree they are going to push for digital currency soon, perhaps even a universal global digital currency, but it will likely be attached to vaxx status, and you are right it could also have a gloBull warming component seeking to tax people (middle class, not the wealthy) based on their “privilege” and “carbon footprint.”

Before too long the world will be divided into 10 regions with a leader for each of these political regions. And when that happens it will not be long before that man of sin is revealed.

PeopleUnited says

Before too long the world will be divided into 10 regions with a leader for each of these political regions. And when that happens it will not be long before that man of sin is revealed.

I almost envy your faith. The certainty.

The saying "god helps those that helps themselves" is literally true. What angers me about religion, is that I believe their faith stirs them into INACTION. We could stop this shit, but only if we worked collectively. Interesting times.

The Christians are preventing this from happening to the extent that when the Christians are gone (think of the story of how Abraham prayed for the city, that God would not destroy it, and God agreed to spare it if He could find 10 righteous men) that is why Christians are important, and why God commands Christians to spread the Gospel. If you were a Christian, your very existence would be a hindrance to the wicked one‘s plans for destroying humanity and God’s creation.

Humans are God’s beloved creatures, so much that He left the comfort of heaven and eternal peace, to come down, suffer the life of a mortal man and died an excruciating death, in order to pay the debt for their unrighteousness. If you believe in right and wrong, you will no doubt realize that at times you and I do things that are wrong. Those are the things God hates, and has to punish, but in His love, he agreed to take the punishment on Himself for all who believe that they need a Savior and trust God to do what He said He would do. He will even give you the faith to believe it, if you will let Him.

You, don’t need to join a church, or give an offering, that is not what God wants from you. “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/rom.10.9.kjv

If you truly do this with your whole heart you will still be a sinner, and everyone around you will still see your wickedness and at times hypocrisy, but God will see you as righteousness because you will be washed in the blood of the righteous Lamb of God that was the fulfillment of all those Old Testament promises and temple rituals.

PeopleUnited says

The Christians are preventing this from happening to the extent that when the Christians are gone (think of the story of how Abraham prayed for the city, that God would not destroy it, and God agreed to spare it if He could find 10 righteous men) that is why Christians are important, and why God commands Christians to spread the Gospel. If you were a Christian, your very existence would be a hindrance to the wicked one‘s plans for destroying humanity and God’s creation.

This is where my envy lies, you are blindly certain. You have conviction of being absolutely right. I can but won't pick away at that conviction.

From my point of view, the way to stabilize society is to expose corruption. The difficulty in doing this is that you have to appeal to logic and reason. With religion, if you're an authority within that, you just say "this is so" and they believe it.

If the authority is corrupt, they just make it worse. Religion depends on good men to be authorities.

PeopleUnited says

Humans are God’s beloved creatures, so much that He left the comfort of heaven and eternal peace, to come down, suffer the life of a mortal man and died an excruciating death, in order to pay the debt for their unrighteousness

I've already pointed out this doesn't make sense. This would mean God Himself must follow rules. Who imposed the rule that he had to do this? Or if he created a son, that He had to put him through torture and death?

PeopleUnited says

If you believe in right and wrong

And man have I researched this concept. There's a very interesting concept of evolutionary psychology. That is, those ideas that people have that are most likely to allow the organism to survive, reproduce, and to bear offspring will survive. This can explain views on homosexuality, suicide, murder, masturbation, etc. What's intriguing about this concept is you can apply it to any animal that lives in a social group. It's testable, and it seems to have good evidence that the general hypothesis is correct.

Freud thought everything was about sex. In a way, he was right. He was ultimately wrong, he didn't get down to the core of it, if evolutionary psychology is the correct hypothesis. Perhaps evolutionary psychology is incorrect (people do get infatuated with it), but it's a very useful way of thinking of things. It can be tested and evaluated, it will ultimately be proven to be correct or wrong in time. There's an orthodoxy among "psychologists" that denounce evolutionary psychology because it threatens their profession. It would move psychology from a soft science, to a hard one.

PeopleUnited says

If you truly do this with your whole heart you will still be a sinner, and everyone around you will still see your wickedness and at times hypocrisy, but God will see you as righteousness because you will be washed in the blood of the righteous Lamb of God that was the fulfillment of all those Old Testament promises and temple rituals.

Again, I appreciate your conviction, if not passion in this.

I'm in a world with multitudes of cultures. There's people that have never heard of "Christianity" and had no opportunity to hear it, but I still thing good people exist in those societies.

If there is a God, and that's a big IF, I'm firmly and probably intractably of the opinion that it's like Freud's psychoanalysis. That there's something below that like evolutionary psychology will fairly well explain most (if not all) of Freud's CORRECT ideas.

There really is something wonderful in picking apart "how things work". People not interested in science or basic discovery think that understanding a mechanism destroys your appreciation for the outcome. It's exactly the opposite for me. When you get right down to it and understand how, say, a snowflake forms, and why it forms that way, and see how it all comes together, it's amazing and beautiful.

In any case, religion at this point to me, is merely people grasping at something they don't understand and it's religion itself that prevent investigation into the true origins. If there's a God, I want to understand how it works. You'd be surprised how simple systems can produce extremely complex results that seem "designed", but they are just following rules.

In genetic algorithms, you can easily understand the rules, but damned if I don't think anybody can really understand the results. You can see how it works, but it's so complicated following it, it takes forever to analyze.

It comes down to this: Christians believe that they are created in the image of God. Therefore, they share in the divinity of God. This means that for a government or ruler, etc. to degrade or defile a human being is to commit an act of abominable blasphemy against God. This imposes limits on what "christian" rulers can impose on their subjects.

This is also why Christianity is actively being destroyed - so that the special status of humans as revealed in the Bible is revoked, so that humans can go back to being treated like animals under the pagans.

This is my interpretation of the role of Christian religion. In the centuries and millennia before the age of enlightenment and the US Constitution, Ur-Christianity (not the corrupted version that developed later) affirmed the value of human life and the need to respect such life. Anyone who believes in human dignity and unalienable rights can find common purpose, and indeed should join in common effort, with Christians who maintain these principles.

richwicks says

Religion depends on good men to be authorities.

No, it depends on the word of God...the Bible.

stereotomy says

Therefore, they share in the divinity of God. This means that for a government or ruler, etc. to degrade or defile a human being is to commit an act of abominable blasphemy against God.

I often say God is equal to Free Will/Freedom.

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

Religion depends on good men to be authorities.

No, it depends on the word of God...the Bible.

My experience with Christians is very few, if any, actually read the Bible.

They listen to authorities. Quite often very corrupt, and obviously corrupt "men of god".

As an atheist, I dabbled in the idea of creating a "good religion". Simple and easy concepts to understand, a very clear morality, but I cannot engage in such fraud. I think other people could, and did.

The strength of a theory is in it's predictive power.

Theism/Deism predicted a beginning to the Cosmos. There is one, the Big Bang. And it also Stretches across the Heavens (Inflation) which is a lesser proof of a starting moment.

Naturalists, prior to the acceptance of the Big Bang (which began as an insult term from Steady State advocates) expected an eternal Steady State Universe that always was (back when the Galaxy was considered the extent of the Universe), and it is demonstrably not so. Naturalists now have to turn to "Exotic" explanations (evidence Free Multi-Verse) or use Special Pleading and deny the essence of logic and science - everything that exists had a cause except Muh Cosmos, in order to maintain their naturalistic worldview.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Theism/Deism predicted a beginning to the Cosmos. There is one. And it also Stretches across the Heavens (Inflation).

There is quite a bit of evidence suggesting the Big Bang never happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KkhRibBllU

This is not incongruent with atheism. It only means the current scientific model is wrong, and I strongly suspect there is. Dark matter is bullshit (I currently think.) It's an ENTIRELY theoretical creation to try to make our current model of the Big Bang work.

The Big Bang was a concept that Georges Lemaître championed. He was a Jesuit priest. Jesuits, they're pretty damned well educated but I think at this point, he may very well have been wrong.

In science, you must give up your beliefs in an instant when they are proven to be incorrect. I think the Big Bang may be proven to be incorrect shortly although it may be taught as being "true" for long after that.

The concept of science is quite new. We are clearly still struggling with it. I'm convinced people much more intelligent and educated than me are off in the weeds. Climate Change, that I'm certain is entirely wrong.

richwicks says

This is not incongruent with atheism. It only means the current scientific model is wrong, and I strongly suspect there is. Dark matter is bullshit (I currently think.) It's an ENTIRELY theoretical creation to try to make our current model of the Big Bang work.

Yes, Dark Matter is a problem, we need more evidence for 80% of the Universe's apparent mass other than "it must be there"

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Yes, Dark Matter is a problem, we need more evidence for 80% of the Universe's apparent mass other than "it must be there"

Yes - I feel the same way. When "dark matter" was proposed, but it was impossible to see and impossible to measure or detect in any way - that was a problem for me.

I suspect that the idea of the Big Bang is wrong. It's not a big deal, many hypotheses that were once held as fact turned out to be false. I won't be shaken is this is another, but it's interesting to see it within my lifespan.

My only concern is there may be a religious adherence to the idea. I think we were all taught that the Big Bang happened, but there is growing evidence, it did not. This may not be an eternal universe, and it may not have sprung out of nothing. That may be a false dichotomy, and we're just too fucking stupid to realize it is.

richwicks says

In science, you must give up your beliefs in an instant when they are proven to be incorrect.

demonize.
I thought science was never settled.

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

In science, you must give up your beliefs in an instant when they are proven to be incorrect.

demonize.
I thought science was never settled.

In science, you only prove what is wrong, you never prove what is correct.

When a hypothesis is shown to be wrong, you must abandon it.

What isn't proven to be incorrect are possibilities, not certainties. What most people take for granted as "being obvious" isn't. It's a result of many tests.

We know for a FACT that Quantum Mechanics and/or Relativity MUST be wrong. One, or the other, or both. But both are useful models, but they are both PROBABLY wrong, and one CERTAINLY is. One cannot be reduced to the other.

Even if we get a theory of everything, that works with all observations and makes reliable and accurate predictions, we can't know it's correct - it's just that the model works really well - so no, the science is never settled.

richwicks says

This is where my envy lies, you are blindly certain.

It’s called faith. You have faith too, if nothing else “logic” and “reason” (human reasoning, science and philosophy) seem to be things which you hold in esteem and confidence.

richwicks says

This would mean God Himself must follow rules. Who imposed the rule that he had to do this? Or if he created a son, that He had to put him through torture and death?

A man made creation is the game of golf. What would you think if the creator of the game of golf decided the rules don’t apply to him and he can just do whatever he wants and give himself whatever score he wants, but everyone else must follow his rules? God apparently made rules for Himself that even He can’t break. One of them is that He can’t lie. Another one is apparently He cannot allow sin to go unpunished. When God created man, He knew man would sin, and He knew what it would cost Him to redeem man (and woman), but knowing this He did it anyway. It is a demonstration of Love.

richwicks says

My experience with Christians is very few, if any, actually read the Bible.

A surgeon must study anatomy (among other things) to become and remain a functional practitioner. A lawyer must study the law to become a functional litigator. A “Christian” who does not study the Bible and follow it to the exclusion of all else, is dysfunctional at best, and perhaps not even Christian at all.

richwicks says

My experience with Christians is very few, if any, actually read the Bible.

I read the whole bible in the year 2000, just to see what I was missing. The majority of it was not that compelling to me, lots of history and kings, etc, but the most famous parts were really good:

Genesis and Exodus are excellent, Leviticus is fun to me because I like rules. Numbers is unreadable, just genealogy of random-sounding names. Deuteronomy is more rules.

Ezekiel is inexplicable unless there were aliens landing back then. Read it with that in mind.

Ecclesiastes is the best book by far, imho, and not really about religion or God.

Proverbs has lots of good advice.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all excellent as well. John's my favorite because he's kind of woo-woo.

Patrick says

I read the whole bible in the year 2000, just to see what I was missing. The majority of it was not that compelling to me, lots of history and kings, etc, but the most famous parts were really good:

Speaking of "Kings," which parts of the Old Testament did you like best? The genocide or the incest?

It was pretty amazing how violent and sexual the Old Testament is.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

This is where my envy lies, you are blindly certain.

It’s called faith. You have faith too, if nothing else “logic” and “reason” (human reasoning, science and philosophy) seem to be things which you hold in esteem and confidence.

Look around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.

So of course I hold it in high esteem. We aren't even CLOSE to exploiting what we have today to its fullest.

Because we have a world wide communication system, it's just a matter of time before our governments won't be able to pass off lies to us anymore. We're JUST beginning to see the fruition of this - depressingly.

You have no idea how hurt and depressed I was to see that George W. Bush could STILL lie us into Iraq when so many people knew he was lying. I thought people were just hopelessly stupid - but no, it's just people weren't yet exploiting the Internet. I know they're trying to censor the net, but they will not be successful.

This covid crap, that's their last stand to try to maintain authority. Either they will get away with this scam, or they won't, and I don't think they will regardless of their resources.

richwicks says

Because we have a world wide communication system, it's just a matter of time before our governments won't allow us to tell the truth anymore. We're JUST beginning to see the fruition of this - depressingly.

Fixed it for you.


richwicks says

This covid crap, that's their last stand to try to maintain authority. Either they will get away with this scam, or they won't, and I don't think they will regardless of their resources.

I wish I had your faith. From my view they are just one or two moves from checkmate martial law lockdown, a fake or real war, a real pandemic and/or a fake alien invasion and it is game over, all rights will be taken, Free speech will be ended for your safety, and all dissent will be met with violence and/education camps.

If all else fails they will shut down the power grid. Game over, literally Luigi.

Patrick says

It was pretty amazing how violent and sexual the Old Testament is.

It is human history, and it is not PG, the Bible is raw truth, not suitable for prime time tv.

richwicks says

Look around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.

Which is why progressives want to tear it all down. Nevermind that they will be the first casualties in that war for survival. At least they’ll stay warm from the fires of their convictions!

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

Because we have a world wide communication system, it's just a matter of time before our governments won't allow us to tell the truth anymore. We're JUST beginning to see the fruition of this - depressingly.

Fixed it for you.

We were only allowed to tell the truth through direct word of mouth before. This briefly expanded to online up until... I'd say 2003. There's been censorship for a long, LONG time.

They really can't prevent us. Believe me - they can't. They'd literally have to (at minimum) remove us from the Internet.

This has been a tyranny for a long time, more than 20 years. Having two clones to select for president which both are controlled by the same puppet masters isn't a choice. The tyranny will collapse when people recognize it's a tyranny - we will force it to act like one, so it will get worse before it gets better.

It's almost a good thing that Biden was installed. The job of the "president" is to get people to think whatever dumbshit thing he's been ordered to do is "for the nation's good". That's really their ONLY job, and I don't think Biden can do that, and neither can Harris. Going "back to normal" is good in that now the dummies that whined about Clinton can see what "normal" is.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

This covid crap, that's their last stand to try to maintain authority. Either they will get away with this scam, or they won't, and I don't think they will regardless of their resources.

I wish I had your faith. From my view they are just one or two moves from checkmate martial law lockdown, a fake or real war, a real pandemic and/or a fake alien invasion and it is game over, all rights will be taken, Free speech will be ended for your safety, and all dissent will be met with violence and/education camps.

If all else fails they will shut down the power grid. Game over, literally Luigi.

All government power is power through consent. All of it. The soviets ruled in Russia through consent. There's not enough consent here.

Shutting down the power system, even the internet, would cut their throats.

Shaman says

richwicks says

Look around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.

Which is why progressives want to tear it all down. Nevermind that they will be the first casualties in that war for survival. At least they’ll stay warm from the fires of their convictions!

No, progressives are the type who adopt the word "progressive" without having any idea what it means. It's "hip and cool" to be a progressive. The modern progressive isn't progressive at all, they are uneducated, easily controlled, morons and they are a tiny minority.

Shaman says

Which is why progressives want to tear it all down. Nevermind that they will be the first casualties in that war for survival. At least they’ll stay warm from the fires of their convictions!

Losers want a great reset to an earlier savegame.

Libbies aren't much different than Heinlein fuck who thinks he's going to be a local warlord with his Buttcoin and Silver bringing in mad bitches and sharecroppers shortly after TEOTWAKI. If anything his lone ass will be overwhelmed by raiders who will steal all his shit. Or by the ex-Bikers he hired with his silver rounds.

Just like ugly Leftist broads still want Chads, but believe Society can program Chads to want their Pear Shaped Purple Haired Asses

In reality, come TEOTWAKI/Primitivism, the very people who will flourish are the same ones they hate today: The naturally sociable and rural skillset bearers.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

This covid crap, that's their last stand to try to maintain authority. Either they will get away with this scam, or they won't, and I don't think they will regardless of their resources.

I wish I had your faith. From my view they are just one or two moves from checkmate martial law lockdown, a fake or real war, a real pandemic and/or a fake alien invasion and it is game over, all rights will be taken, Free speech will be ended for your safety, and all dissent will be met with violence and/education camps.

I'm in the middle of the road. I can see this thing swinging HARD both ways.

On one hand, I think the globalists have been in control for a long time and we had no idea. Trump/Populist movement woke everyone the hell up. Now the globalists a-holes are panicking and the only way they can maintain control is by enslaving everyone in some sort of health/biomedical/digital enslavement.

On the other hand, it seems like people have lost their will to fight, and many people I know are bending over and taking the jab because of their job. If everyone caves, the elite win. If we all just say fuck it, and walk away from the jab/job, it's an easy win.

As a dad and husband, I'm honestly nervous about what's going on, I want to make good decisions going forward for the best of my family, but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.

joshuatrio says

As a dad and husband, I'm honestly nervous about what's going on, I want to make good decisions going forward for the best of my family, but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.

Tell 'em to fuck off if you have the means. I'm close to pulling the trigger on this, but the wife would try to block it, but send the kids with no masks to school. The adults sure as shit aren't wearing them in town, even teachers having a night out on the town that we see. The adults don't wear them here, but the kids have to? Fuck that.

It's hard here because I'd be personally knowing someone I'm about to sue. Small town/district. Plain and simple, mask wearing for children is child abuse. There's no legislation here. It's not law. If you diddle my kid you go to jail, there's a law for that. Forcing a child to breath through a mask 8 hours a day is child abuse. What's next? Is the 5th grade puberty "education" gonna involve ball gags and bondage shit? Let them be kids. The adults aren't wearing masks. They can fucking see the double standard. Rules for thee not for me. We're going to raise a fucked up generation for those in the 25-45 age group (parents).

WookieMan says

joshuatrio says

As a dad and husband, I'm honestly nervous about what's going on, I want to make good decisions going forward for the best of my family, but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.

Tell 'em to fuck off if you have the means. I'm close to pulling the trigger on this, but the wife would try to block it, but send the kids with no masks to school. The adults sure as shit aren't wearing them in town, even teachers having a night out on the town that we see. The adults don't wear them here, but the kids have to? Fuck that.

It's hard here because I'd be personally knowing someone I'm about to sue. Small town/district. Plain and simple, mask wearing for children is child abuse. There's no legislation here. It's not law. If you diddle my kid you go to jail, there's a law for that. Forcing a child to breath through a mask 8 hours a day is chil...

We put our kids in private for years. They are homeschooled this year as we're spending the year traveling. Currently in Cocoa Beach, FL for the next 2 months enjoying the beaches and warm weather. Wife and I both have remote businesses and are pretty flexible.

Regarding mask wearing for kids - I'd send them maskless, or pull them out. It's beyond stupid now. Two years later and they are still pushing this nonsense. Even though the latest numbers from Italy prove the flu was deadlier than covid. My sister is a teacher and is subject to weekly covid testing now. So fucking stupid. She won't get the jab and legally they can't make people. Things are just super fucked up now.

joshuatrio says

but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.

In my opinion, we have just 2 choices. The best choice is to always do whatever supports FREEDOM.

joshuatrio says

On one hand, I think the globalists have been in control for a long time and we had no idea.

^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, they've been in control for a long time. This is why people were so desperate to point out that Bush LIED us into Iraq. Why was this done? There's plenty of speculation but we know it wasn't about a weapons of mass destruction program. That was red flags and sirens all over the place. Are we really to believe that 9/11 was just a bunch of terrorists flying planes into buildings? I don't believe that, but there's an INCREDIBLE social pressure not to talk about it. Patriot Act was signed into law 2 hours after it was introduced - it's a 300 page document, which means nobody that signed it could have actually read it.

I've seen these totally crazy actions being taken (a lot of people have) and we see danger but I know personally you just are ignored as a crackpot.

I'm very VERY thankful Trump was put into power because he did wake a lot of people up. That's something regular people were unable to do and people really tried hard to do it.

The result of massive theft and criminality on Wallstreet in 2007 and 2008 when it finally caught up to them was to bail them out. Eric Holder said flat out he would never prosecute anybody involved with that, and he didn't. Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, started bombing 5 more nations. Why did he do this? There's PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses which people tried to raise awareness of, but that's incredibly impossible to do.

Yeah, this might be a do or die moment. I wish we handled it 20 years ago.

We've had very obvious rampant criminality for decades. Remember when Jamie Dimon said he "was doing God's work"? Just who is his god anyhow? Dimon should be in prison next to Bernard Madoff - a guy that was spotted as a fraud as far back as the late 1990s but nothing was done and our media provides COVER for these people, they don't expose them. Madoff was chairman for NASDAQ! I've long ago accepted it, there is a huge conspiracy, but it's impossible to get people to see if even when it's right in their face.

So the globalists are panicking? Well, finally something is happening. I know you feel uncomfortable and uncertain, I've felt that way for decades now and I'm pretty much over it. I knew how you feel now. I thought the government was very very criminal in 2016, but by 2017, I realized it was literally 100 times worse than I thought. We should have had Nuremberg type trials ages ago. The reason what is going on now is going on now, is nothing was done 15 years ago or 20.

joshuatrio says

We put our kids in private for years. They are homeschooled this year as we're spending the year traveling. Currently in Cocoa Beach, FL for the next 2 months enjoying the beaches and warm weather. Wife and I both have remote businesses and are pretty flexible.

Sunrise Diner on 520 heading west towards Merritt Island: Great Reuben - will be on right side.

richwicks says

Look around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.

So of course I hold it in high esteem. We aren't even CLOSE to exploiting what we have today to its fullest.

“Logic and reason” created Auswitz, Mustard gas, the Bolshevik revolution, kiddie porn, vaxx, Covid-19, “Little Boy” and “Fat Man”, lobotomys for treating mental disorders, methamphetamine, slave and sex trade, and he list goes on and on. You can be certain that when we learn to exploit what we know, TPTB will exploit it to spread their tyranny.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-6-5/

richwicks says

Yeah, this might be a do or die moment

If you are putting your faith in men/women, you have already set yourself up for disappointment.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

Look around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.

So of course I hold it in high esteem. We aren't even CLOSE to exploiting what we have today to its fullest.

“Logic and reason” created Auswitz, Mustard gas, the Bolshevik revolution, kiddie porn, vaxx, Covid-19, “Little Boy” and “Fat Man”, lobotomys for treating mental disorders, methamphetamine, slave and sex trade, and he list goes on and on. You can be certain that when we learn to exploit what we know, TPTB will exploit it to spread their tyranny.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-6-5/

You can't blame genocides on logic and reason, nor the Bolshevik revolution (that's a religion in it's own right), kiddie porn, nor the slave or sex trade. The rest, yes. Logic and reason are tools. They aren't an end to themselves.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

Yeah, this might be a do or die moment

If you are putting your faith in men/women, you have already set yourself up for disappointment.

But I am.

My frustration is that for religious people they sometimes give up and figure "well, god will take care of it". I just don't think that's a good plan.

Religion, at least western religion, I view as a tool - a tool to motivate people. Like any tool, it can be used for good or bad. Propaganda is a tool, that can be used well or badly. The best way I can tell if a tool will be used (in my view) correctly or incorrect is by looking at the people who wield the tool.

I can wield the propaganda tool pretty well, but I don't think my hands are the right hands. I've never wanted to wield power.

richwicks says

You can't blame genocides on logic and reason, nor the Bolshevik revolution (that's a religion in it's own right), kiddie porn, nor the slave or sex trade

I don’t blame, I give credit where credit is due. Every person does what is logical and sound reason in their own mind. That is why we need God to set us straight. Ted Kaczynski thought his plan was a logical reaction to the evil around him. Hitler thought his plans were a reasonable solution to Germany’s problems, the majority of internet traffic is supposedly porn use, every thing a person thinks and does is logical to them. The problem is that human logic and reasoning is flawed and imperfect.