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Chinese propaganda. Remember the epicenter of the WuFlu claims 5000 deaths since the outbreak began over a year ago.

Never trust Congresscuck propaganda.

farmer2021 says

mell says

farmer2021 says

@patrick
This is informative thread and matches the experience of family friends.
Mind it , This is so called silicon valley or rather IT sweat shop of western elites. Things are dire in other places.
https://twitter.com/athishravikanth/status/1387934663772020738

The reason more people are dying can be directly correlated direct with the vaccination which by far isn't a panacea.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205
Please take some time to read that, even in the US the death rate for those vaccinated catching covid is higher than for the unvaxxed. Btw. this was a well known prob...

Over 12 months that comes to about 36 million.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Chinese propaganda. Remember the epicenter of the WuFlu claims 5000 deaths since the outbreak began over a year ago.

Never trust Congresscuck propaganda.

Can you explain what you mean?
Are you saying people in India are not dying or about the other factors?

I think lot more people died in China than reported. Most notorious nation.

farmer2021 says

unless the medical experts basically speak up and be ready to give life for cause like Galileo

For every Galileo there are thousands of spineless cowards.

mell says

Attempting to vaccinate out of a raging infection does not work and in fact kills people.

Now you tell me; I just got my second jab.

Patrick says

farmer2021 says

unless the medical experts basically speak up and be ready to give life for cause like Galileo

For every Galileo there are thousands of spineless cowards.

So what can we do.
You won't be allowed to live your life unless vaccinated.
Do we have solution?
Tomorrow health insurance won't cover if you are not vaccinated or other social barriers.

We already know that Cuomo fudged data on deaths and nothing happened to him.
This head of state in India is saying same, that he don't give damn about reporting death count.
https://twitter.com/BrutIndia/status/1387379461474209792

Forget "medical professionals", This Trump guy folded like a cheap chair after pumping up people to get "felony" charges.
Spineless leadership is big problem.

farmer2021 says

You won't be allowed to live your life unless vaccinated.

Refuse to accept this! Protest! Make them send you to jail for non-compliance! Fuck the slavers! Freedom and justice or they can suck a fat dick!

Speaking of which, I got the templates for the vaccine cards. Anyone have a link to card stock in 3x4”?

Shaman says

farmer2021 says

You won't be allowed to live your life unless vaccinated.

Refuse to accept this! Protest! Make them send you to jail for non-compliance! Fuck the slavers! Freedom and justice or they can suck a fat dick!

I'm with Shaman.

Shaman says

farmer2021 says

You won't be allowed to live your life unless vaccinated.

Refuse to accept this! Protest! Make them send you to jail for non-compliance! Fuck the slavers! Freedom and justice or they can suck a fat dick!

Does your spouse agrees with you?
Does your kid agrees with you?
Do You have a scientific proof and some scientific minds willing to argue on your behalf and go to jail with you?
Does human stock still have brave people?

It is not easy to go against system. Eventually it will happen(like happening in India now).. But modern elites are very tricky and hide their cruelty and control under very well curated isms.

farmer2021 says

mell says

I have a few friends but will check in with one or two to see how their relatives in India are doing. What I'm saying is that the vaccinations are not the holy grail, sure if they can do mass vaccinations at large scale let those who want to get it take it, but it's likely more effective and much cheaper and faster to distribute Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and steroids to each household, which they should have done in the US as well. Doing nothing until somebody needs to go to the ER is close to murder, but that's not just in India, the US and any other countries did the same thing, in fact I believe India started using these treatments sooner than the US. They probably discarded them now in favor of the vaccines which they should not do. First distribute treatments for each household and MD office/hospital, then do the vaccinations when they're deemed safe. But not enough profit there, since the medication...

I think you're full of shit. No one is buying this BS narrative again.

EBGuy says

mell says

Attempting to vaccinate out of a raging infection does not work and in fact kills people.

Now you tell me; I just got my second jab.

This has been known and is true for any vaccine. However if you haven't gotten sick yet you likely didn't catch it and the vaccine is starting to work for you. So have a cold beer and salut!

Shaman says

Speaking of which, I got the templates for the vaccine cards. Anyone have a link to card stock in 3x4”?

Will that type of paper go through a regular laser printer?

Covid is the Swiss Army Knife of pathologic and psychopathic politics. Even the 'good guys' can't resist the temptation to use it to accuse, blame or further an agenda.

Ceffer says

Covid is the Swiss Army Knife of pathologic and psychopathic politics. Even the 'good guys' can't resist the temptation to use it to accuse, blame or further an agenda.

@Ceffer
Best quote to describe this nonsense.

Any idea what the hell this stat means? People who are not recovered.. what happen to them .. die?

farmer2021 says

Any idea what the hell this stat means? People who are not recovered.. what happen to them .. die?

I don't think that's possible. I have not seen anyone claim that the overall death rate is more than 0.3% anywhere in the world, so survival rate should be at least 99.7%.

Patrick says

farmer2021 says

Any idea what the hell this stat means? People who are not recovered.. what happen to them .. die?

I don't think that's possible. I have not seen anyone claim that the overall death rate is more than 0.3% anywhere in the world, so survival rate should be at least 99.7%.

What can this suppose to mean then?... I am confused. Here is another raw numbers.(What are 3.4M not recovered?)
Total cases
18.8M
+387K
Recovered
15.4M
+298K
Deaths
208K
+3,498

US doesn't give recovered figure.
Death rate : ~1.8%

32.3M
+58,528
Recovered
-

Deaths
575K
+879

farmer2021 says

US doesn't give recovered figure.
Death rate : ~1.8%

32.3M
+58,528
Recovered
-

Deaths
575K
+879

These numbers are called bovine excrement.

7000-8000 people in the US die every day before the media phenomenon "Covid-19" was invented (just like "witch posession" was a invented social phenomenon endorsed by the authority in the 1600's). Myriads of respiratory disease deaths that normally occur have been tossed under the umbrella "Covid-19" in the last 16+ months. There is no proof whatsoever that those 879 or 575k deaths were due to any particular corona virus. In fact, there is plenty evidence that those wrongly attributed deaths were due to other causes, such as mechanical trama, or pneumonia caused by other types of virus or bacteria (the flu virus didn't magically become extinct). In any given year, a large number of elderly people and people with weak immune systems die of respiratory diseases.

The total case count number is another purely invented number: most people don't show any symptom after being exposed to corona virus or flu virus or rhinovirus. Only a small number even develop common cold symptom. Yes, hundreds of thousands of people die every year due to flu, common cold and other respiratory infections. That didn't magically stop in 2020

Reality says

farmer2021 says

US doesn't give recovered figure.
Death rate : ~1.8%

32.3M
+58,528
Recovered
-

Deaths
575K
+879

These numbers are called bovine excrement.

7000-8000 people in the US die every day before the media phenomenon "Covid-19" was invented (just like "witch posession" was a invented social phenomenon endorsed by the authority in the 1600's). Myriads of respiratory disease deaths that normally occur have been tossed under the umbrella "Covid-19" in the last 16+ months. There is no proof whatsoever that those 879 or 575k deaths were due to any particular corona virus. In fact, there is plenty evidence that those wrongly attributed deaths were due to other causes, such as mechanical trama, or pneumonia caused by other types of virus or bacteria (the flu virus didn't magically become extinct). In any given year, a large number of elderly people and peo...

Any statistical methods to understand the impact of "COVID" deaths.
Here is example:
A person with respiratory issue gets external support when in danger and survive for few years.
A person with respiratory issues can't get support as too many patients and run out of oxygen(NY and now India) and die immediately.
What will you call this death?

My humble opinion is...

Whatever is happening is happening for a reason and that reason is to help usher in The Great Reset and to Build Back Better.
If Covid is the annual flu that has been weaponized = we are fooked because it will never end. It serves "their" purposes.
If the Wuflu is biological warfare = we are fooked because it would be logical to think this type of warfare will only increase
If the cure/vax is a plot to kill = we are fooked because it is most likely we will be forced to take it. It IS force if the only other choice is to be eliminated from the economy.

Is it possible that Covid is nature and the vax is a true humanitarian effort to save people? I guess anything is possible BUT, why then, will this be the ONLY virus EVER to require passports? I am seriously considering moving to any state that will pass legislation that outlaws a passport and outlaws businesses to require proof of any health condition. WTF ever happened to HIPPA anyway?

WineHorror1 says

My humble opinion is...

Whatever is happening is happening for a reason and that reason is to help usher in The Great Reset and to Build Back Better.
If Covid is the annual flu that has been weaponized = we are fooked because it will never end. It serves "their" purposes.
If the Wuflu is biological warfare = we are fooked because it would be logical to think this type of warfare will only increase
If the cure/vax is a plot to kill = we are fooked because it is most likely we will be forced to take it. It IS force if the only other choice is to be eliminated from the economy.

Is it possible that Covid is nature and the vax is a true humanitarian effort to save people? I guess anything is possible BUT, why then, will this be the ONLY virus EVER to require passports? I am seriously considering moving to any state that will pass legislation that outlaws a passport and outlaws businesses to require proof of any health condition. WTF ever happened to HIPPA anyway?

One thing you are absolute right about.. We don't know.
We can't trust medical establishment, politicians or other administrators.

Look around yourself and try to figure out what is going on.
Here is my conclusion up till now.
1) US strain was quite mild. As @patrick said we have disproportionate response whether deliberate or not.
2) India strain looks very dangerous. 10+ young people died in family friends.I would be shit scared.

farmer2021 says

Any statistical methods to understand the impact of "COVID" deaths.
Here is example:
A person with respiratory issue gets external support when in danger and survive for few years.
A person with respiratory issues can't get support as too many patients and run out of oxygen(NY and now India) and die immediately.
What will you call this death?

That scenario was and is a joke on the gullible fools. Far more people died in the US due to hospitals not taking other patients like heart-disease and cancer, etc. during the criminal scam than hospitals saved using the electro-mechanical respirator. The electro-mechanical respirator killed 80-90+% of patients put on it! Going to the hospital is literally the last thing anyone should do if/when there is a highly contagious and highly deadly respiratory disease around.

What is happening in India is likely similar o what happened in the US: putting elderly and chronically patients on respirators to kill them, so the hospitals could collect more money and the government can save money by not having to pay more social security after the person dies. The "respirator shortage" hype is just there to convince the gullible patients and their families to consent to letting the elderly and sick patients killed off.

farmer2021 says

US doesn't give recovered figure.
Death rate : ~1.8%

Most of the media, to deliberately stoke the maximum fear in gullible people, conflates the infection fatality rate with the case fatality rate.

They are very different.

The infection fatality rate is the percent of infected people who die, about 0.3% at most.

The case fatality rate is the number of people sick enough to go to the doctor (a "case" for the doctor) who die, which is always far higher.

Something like 80% of people who get infected never even know they were sick, or had such mild symptoms that they didn't care.

farmer2021 says

2) India strain looks very dangerous. 10+ young people died in family friends.I would be shit scared.

This guy should be banned for lying and propaganda. He is claiming to be "family friends" with hundreds of millions people in India. Even the lying lamestream media has only claimed 50+ young Indians having died out of a country of nearly 1400 million and very low median age.

Reality says

farmer2021 says

Any statistical methods to understand the impact of "COVID" deaths.
Here is example:
A person with respiratory issue gets external support when in danger and survive for few years.
A person with respiratory issues can't get support as too many patients and run out of oxygen(NY and now India) and die immediately.
What will you call this death?

That scenario was and is a joke on the gullible fools. Far more people died in the US due to hospitals not taking other patients like heart-disease and cancer, etc. during the criminal scam than hospitals saved using the electro-mechanical respirator. The electro-mechanical respirator killed 80-90+% of patients put on it! Going to the hospital is literally the last thing anyone should do if/when there is a highly contagious and highly deadly respiratory disease around.

What is happening in India is likely similar what h...

Are you saying that medical system is totally corrupted and doctors have become executioners?
Sad if true.. But as a centrist I would say reality is somewhere in the middle(knowing many doctors in family) ... They are regular people.

Reality says

farmer2021 says

2) India strain looks very dangerous. 10+ young people died in family friends.I would be shit scared.

This guy should be banned for lying and propaganda. He is claiming to be "family friends" with hundreds of millions people in India. Even the lying lamestream media has only claimed 50+ young Indians having died out of a country of nearly 1400 million and very low median age.

Do you know people in India?
Check with them.
Only propagandists tell others views to be banned.

Desflurane78 says

If you don’t get vaccinated you will not be able to leave the USA for years. The European Union, Canada, Thailand, Singapore, Maldives, UAE, Australia, New Zealand, Caribbean Island countries, etc…. do not care how you feel about the vaccine. If you want to be able to live your life and travel your going to have to be vaccinated.

Anywhere between 1/4 to over 1/2 of medical professionals are refusing to take the vaccine (likely underreported); about 1/2 of soldiers refuse to take the vaccine (again, likely underreported . . . and that's the half that think). Either there is going to be a black market for fake vaccine passports (or fake entries into the system without the vaccine being actually administered), or those pushing the vaccines hard will be hanging from the lamp posts.

farmer2021 says

Only propagandists tell others views to be banned.

So you are calling all the lamestream media to be propagandists, including those you cited.

Reality says

What is happening in India is likely similar o what happened in the US: putting elderly and chronically patients on respirators to kill them, so the hospitals could collect more money and the government can save money by not having to pay more social security after the person dies.

What if that's truly the conspiracy? Kill off the elderly, super poor, those with bad chronic conditions and the obese. Basically, those who are a suck on society and simply add to the world population. If you wanted to depopulate the Earth, those would be the people you'd pick, correct? Not the productive, healthy people.

Patrick says

farmer2021 says

US doesn't give recovered figure.
Death rate : ~1.8%

Most of the media, to deliberately stoke the maximum fear in gullible people, conflates the infection fatality rate with the case fatality rate.

They are very different.

The infection fatality rate is the percent of infected people who die, about 0.3% at most.

The case fatality rate is the number of people sick enough to go to the doctor (a "case" for the doctor) who die, which is always far higher.

Something like 80% of people who get infected never even know they were sick, or had such mild symptoms that they didn't care.

This is possible.
Take a example of US:
32.3M cases give us 1.8%. to get to .3 we need 5x.(assume some deaths are falsely attributed to COVID)
which 150M+ so 50% of US population.
In this case we are already close to herd immunity. This is good news if true.

Reality says

farmer2021 says

Only propagandists tell others views to be banned.

So you are calling all the lamestream media to be propagandists, including those you cited.

Media is propaganda.
My citing them doesn't make is true of false.

Do you want to run away from truth or force some narrative?
I don't.. my only attempt is to reach to truth.

farmer2021 says

Are you saying that medical system is totally corrupted and doctors have become executioners?
Sad if true.. But as a centrist I would say reality is somewhere in the middle(knowing many doctors in family) ... They are regular people.

Regular people in privileged positions usually follow the flow and pack other people into cattle cars, until their own interests are at risk. We know that from both WWII and the Milgram Experiment. By that logic, only a very small percentage of doctors would speak up against shipping Jews to concentration camps or sending elderly to the killing mechanical respirator, risking their licenses and livelihood; a very high percentage however would resist if you insist on jabbing them with dangerous biological agents. Both have been shown to be the case in the past 16+ months. Very few doctors have risked their career speaking up against the fraud, but nearly half are refusing to take the vaccine.

porkchopexpress says

Reality says

What is happening in India is likely similar o what happened in the US: putting elderly and chronically patients on respirators to kill them, so the hospitals could collect more money and the government can save money by not having to pay more social security after the person dies.

What if that's truly the conspiracy? Kill off the elderly, super poor, those with bad chronic conditions and the obese. Basically, those who are a suck on society and simply add to the world population. If you wanted to depopulate the Earth, those would be the people you'd pick, correct? Not the productive, healthy people.

This is what worries me and we need to seek truth ourselves collectively. Media or other institutions won't tell us.
People say that NWO wants to kill 80% of population.

Reality says

farmer2021 says

Are you saying that medical system is totally corrupted and doctors have become executioners?
Sad if true.. But as a centrist I would say reality is somewhere in the middle(knowing many doctors in family) ... They are regular people.

Regular people in privileged positions usually follow the flow and pack people into cattle cars, until their own interests are at risk. We know that from both WWII and the Milgram Experiment. By that logic, only a very small percentage of doctors would speak up against shipping Jews to concentration camps or sending elderly to the killing mechanical respirator; a very high percentage however would resist if you insist on jabbing them with dangerous biological agents. Both have been shown to be the case in the past 16+ months. Very few doctors have risked their career speaking up against the fraud, but nearly half are refusing to take the vaccine.

I have no way to verify your statement.
Do You have doctors in family?
I have plenty and all have taken jab and forced their family members to do so, The coverage is 100%.
Now whether they succeeded in sinister plan.. I have no idea.

porkchopexpress says

What if that's truly the conspiracy? Kill off the elderly, super poor, those with bad chronic conditions and the obese. Basically, those who are a suck on society and simply add to the world population. If you wanted to depopulate the Earth, those would be the people you'd pick, correct? Not the productive, healthy people.

Seems to be a very expensive way of moving up the death schedule by a few months on the existing elderly/chronically-ill. Is the vaccine (which is to be taken annually) designed to shorten people's life expectancy to 65?

I find it hard to decide how much of all this was drive by the "Davos 3,000" that Reiner Fuelmich talks about, and how much was driven by simple opportunism in the moment.

The virus was a great opportunity to:

- kill Trump's excellent economy
- make tech oligarchs even richer by forcing people online
- make 50 new vaccine billionaires
- wildly expand government power, giving government an excuse to stomp on all opposition in the name of "public health"

Maybe it just happened this way, and wasn't really planned, or not planned very well.

Patrick says

I find it hard to decide how much of all this was drive by the "Davos 3,000" that Reiner Fuelmich talks about, and how much was driven by simple opportunism in the moment.

The virus was a great opportunity to:

- kill Trump's excellent economy
- make tech oligarchs even richer by forcing people online
- make 50 new vaccine billionaires
- wildly expand government power, giving government an excuse to stop on all opposition in the name of "public health"

Maybe it just happened this way, and wasn't really planned, or not planned very well.

Anything is possible, But i have counter points:

- kill Trump's excellent economy
>> Looks indisputable. China + Dem collusion.
- make tech oligarchs even richer by forcing people online
>> Why Oil companies/Car companies etc. likely to lose are not fighting? Tech is still a blip on world economy.
>> Even in US it is less than 10% of GDP... and that include 50-60% of bogus tech economy.
- make 50 new vaccine billionaires
>> at expense of all other businesses? Again why won't they fight it... Pharma is so strong compared to others?
- wildly expand government power, giving government an excuse to stop on all opposition in the name of "public health"
>> Why would business support? They know eventually this will lead to socialist/communist grab and they will be biggest losers?

farmer2021 says

Why would business support? They know eventually this will lead to socialist/communist grab and they will be biggest losers?

That was explained by Lenin himself. These "useful idiots" will go along because the idiots believe they will get an exemption and gratitude from the Statists after the Statists get control.

Reality says

farmer2021 says

2) India strain looks very dangerous. 10+ young people died in family friends.I would be shit scared.

This guy should be banned for lying and propaganda.

I asked before to ban him.