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If Openly Gay Church Leaders are okay...

By MisdemeanorRebel follow MisdemeanorRebel   2021 Feb 22, 1:46pm 309 views   15 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


... then why are Church Leaders who had a one time adulterous sex act years ago, despite many years of marriage, forced to step down, even if they are truly repentant and the deed was not repeated?
1   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 22, 1:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It all depends whether the congregation will still give them the money.
2   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 22, 2:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

'Church Logic' is not a subject I would hang my hat on.
3   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Feb 22, 2:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

MisdemeanorRebel says
... then why are Church Leaders who had a one time adulterous sex act years ago, despite many years of marriage, forced to step down, even if they are truly repentant and the deed was not repeated?


It's a question of hypocrisy.

There was a time that our society would put up with it. I still think our society won't tolerate it, but our vote no longer matters.
4   MAGA   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 22, 2:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Two reasons. One, the Church doesn't understand what sin really is. Two, they don't understand the concept of grace, unmerited favor.
5   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 22, 6:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

All those churches with the sodomy flag up are fishing for dollars.

Gays have no children of their own, and are generally two working adults.
6   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Feb 22, 6:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
All those churches with the sodomy flag up are fishing for dollars.


You spelled "fisting" wrong....
7   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 22, 6:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Lol, they would openly promote fisting too, if they thought it would be profitable.
8   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 23, 9:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
All those churches with the sodomy flag up are fishing for dollars.

Gays have no children of their own, and are generally two working adults.

Most churches are into anything that gives their leaders $$$. See https://archive.is/hvXQT#selection-1103.0-1103.97
9   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Feb 23, 10:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
All those churches with the sodomy flag up are fishing for dollars.

Gays have no children of their own, and are generally two working adults.


I would never attend or join a church with openly gay clergy. Gay members are another story. It’s just another sin. But to have openly gay clergy is to basically flout God’s laws, that they don’t matter and that’s an open invitation to severe natural consequences. I wouldn’t want to be around such a place.
10   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 23, 10:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Rb6d says
Most churches are into anything that gives their leaders $$$.

Bingo. Bingo. Bingo. It's also a shield to cover for their sins so the members can feel good going to bed even though they're scum bags.

Yes, there are good religious people. It's mostly a game/scam if you dig a little deeper and know the right people. Any religion. Jews I guess kind of flaunt the "club" so to speak. Otherwise they're all interchangeable. Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc.

The whole idea really is idiotic if you think about it. Sorry to the religious Patnetter's, but this is 100% true if you apply logic to the discussion. We can't even get modern media to be accurate and you think tall tales from 2000+ years ago are accurate and true? Get me some of that koolaid.
11   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2021 Feb 23, 10:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It's not a church, if it has openly Gay theologians. No more so, than Joe Biden is a Catholic just because he went to mass that one time.
12   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Feb 23, 10:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
Patrick says
All those churches with the sodomy flag up are fishing for dollars.

Gays have no children of their own, and are generally two working adults.


I would never attend or join a church with openly gay clergy. Gay members are another story. It’s just another sin. But to have openly gay clergy is to basically flout God’s laws, that they don’t matter and that’s an open invitation to severe natural consequences. I wouldn’t want to be around such a place.


I'm curious as to your religious affiliation, although I know I have no right to ask.

I believe you've said you were once a liberal, I'm curious as to your transformation. For a (long) period of time, I was actively anti-religious, but seeing the other side of that, I'm extremely tolerant of religion. It isn't perfect, but it's better than a government. Atheism is a privilege, not a right. I think many people need it and it's both beneficial to the person and society in general at this point.

It's interesting, at one point I thought truth is all that mattered, and I'm starting to believe that white lies and deception, and even propaganda can be beneficial if applied properly.
13   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Feb 23, 2:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

How does our perception of reality through our five senses compare to the allegory of Plato’s Cave? Religion is like the five blind men describing the elephant. Each has a piece of the Truth, but none come near the reality of that pachyderm. Still, a search for the Truth is better than wallowing in lies, or worse, assuming that the truth is exactly what we see on the wall of the cave.
Some can accept the word of a holy man. Others, like myself, have to discover it for themselves. I’ve never been very good at blind faith. A sort of rational extrapolation about the giant hole in reality that people frame as God is the best I can do. You find it around the edges of things, in the inevitable cracks in explanations, the problems with philosophy, and the unknowns in science.
14   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 May 19, 10:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
I would never attend or join a church with openly gay clergy. Gay members are another story. It’s just another sin. But to have openly gay clergy is to basically flout God’s laws, that they don’t matter and that’s an open invitation to severe natural consequences. I wouldn’t want to be around such a place.


How about a Lesbian F2M Tranny -- not always F2M, so please ask Xir which pronoun Xe prefers; it changes according to context.

Evangelical Lutheran Church appoints TransBishop.


Rev. Megan Rohrer, the new bishop, is a very interesting person. Although God joyfully created her female and she still retains her lovely female first name, she employs the plural pronouns “they” and “them” for herself, as well as “he,” and asks the rest of us to do the same. She does not, however, seem to fully identify as a man, and at 41, her “transition” seems to still be in process.

As Rohrer explains on her personal Twitter account, “I have different pronoun preferences in different contexts.” She suggests to others, “Consider asking trans people ‘What pronouns would you like to use in this context?’” An observant respondent properly noted, “That would be assuming we know they are trans.” Yes, it’s complicated.

While Rohrer declared herself lesbian in college, she now identifies as queer and transgender while remaining married to a woman and continuing to raise two children. Since 2014, Rohrer has been the pastor of Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church in San Francisco. About her faith journey, she explains, “As I became queerer, I also became more faithful.”


Megan expresses the central focus of her ministry this way, “I think the most important thing I can say as a queer pastor is ‘I’m sorry, using faith to tear other people down is not good news,’” adding, “We need to all be as loud and angry as the people who want to declare there are types of people that God can’t love.”

https://thefederalist.com/2021/05/18/in-ordaining-a-trans-bishop-leftist-denomination-calls-god-a-liar/

I couldn't imagine being a seminary student these days in any but the most hardline ones.
15   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 May 19, 10:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It continues with this great point:


As she says this, the video shows her buttoning up her black clerical shirt over rounded surgical scars where her perfectly healthy female breasts used to be. Megan apparently desires a man’s chest, but all she has now are the scars dramatically reminding her and everyone else of what God created her to be. Unwittingly, her video is a brutally honest presentation of Megan’s story — perhaps more so than she intended. It certainly calls us to sympathy and remorse.

But as you see her self-damaged chest as she vests in her clerical garb, she confidently explains how most people are irrational on this matter:

Most peoples’ feelings about gay and lesbian people, and trans people, aren’t rational. And maybe as I’ve matured as a pastor, I’ve figured out that it’s feelings. People have a feeling or a fear that is compelling them to say ‘no’ to an entire group of people. The way to respond to that is by … being louder than other people’s fear.

Yes, this is a lecture on rationality from a person who cannot honestly tell you whether she is a man or a woman.
This from a supposed ambassador of Jesus Christ, who reminded us with precise clarity, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female.”


Say it with me:

Leftism is a mental disorder.

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