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Deaths from Wuhan Virus are not all that much higher than normal flu deaths


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2020 Dec 31, 11:15pm   942 views  48 comments

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https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/12/30/what-is-left-to-say/

Here is the graph of overall mortality for all ages, in all countries. The graph starts at the beginning of 2017 and carries on to almost the end of 2020.



As you can see, in each winter there is an increase in deaths. In 2020, nothing much happened at the start of the year, then we had – what must have been – the COVID19 spike. The tall pointy bit around week 15.

It started in late March and was pretty much finished by mid-May. Now, we are in winter, and the usual winter spike appears. It seems to be around the same size as winter 2017/18. It also seems to have passed the peak and is now falling. But it could jump up again. [The figures in the most recent weeks can always be a bit inaccurate, as it can take some time for all the data to arrive]

Two things stand out. First, there was an obvious ‘COVID19 spike’. Second, what we are seeing at present does not differ greatly from previous years. The normal winter spike in deaths. ...

So, again, what have I learned about COVID19? I learned that all Governments are floundering about, all claiming to have exerted some sort of control over this disease and ignoring all evidence to the contrary. In truth, they have achieved nothing. As restrictions and lockdowns have become more severe, in many cases the number of infections has simply risen and risen, completely unaffected by anything that has been done.

The official solution is, of course, more restrictions. ‘We just haven’t restricted people enough!’ Sigh. When something doesn’t work, the answer is not to keep doing it with even greater fervour. The real answer is to stop doing it and try something else instead.

I have also learned that, in most countries, COVID19 appears to be seasonal. It went away – everywhere – in the summer. It came back in the autumn/winter, as various viruses do.

On its return is has been, generally, far less deadly. Much you would expect. The most vulnerable died on first exposure, and far fewer people had any resistance to it, at all. Now, a number of people do have some immunity, and may of the vulnerable are already dead.

Which means that, in this so-called second wave COVID19 is of no greater an issue than a moderately bad flu season.

If I were to recommend actions. I would recommend that we stop testing – unless someone is admitted to hospital and is seriously ill. Mass testing is simply causing mass panic and achieves absolutely nothing. At great cost. We should also just get on with our lives as before. We should just vaccinate those at greatest risk of dying, the elderly and vulnerable, and put this rather embarrassing episode of mad banner waving behind us.

Hopefully, in time, we will learn something. Which is that we should not, ever, run about panicking, following the madly waved banners… ever again. However, I suspect that we will. This pandemic is going to be a model for all mass panicking stupidity in the future. Because to do otherwise, would be to admit that we made a pig’s ear of it this time. Far too many powerful reputations at stake to allow that.

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41   theoakman   2021 Jan 17, 4:33pm  

Please explain how North Dakota and South Dakota managed to drop their cases down to near summer baseline levels without lockdown.
42   mell   2021 Jan 17, 4:42pm  

ThreeBays says
mell says
Dialisys patients, surely you must be jesting! "Perfect" group representing the avg. person, people who hardly go anywhere and who can croak at contact with any moderate to severe virus. I expect them to have low serum prevalence. Most studies around the world with a real (averaged) focus group done as early as spring 2020 arrived at anywhere from 20%-40%


Other recent studies in the US and state test dashboards are similar.

You have the answer... the early tests that you loved to reference with anywhere near 20-40% were wrong.

I'm pretty sure that for most of us, we know relatively few people that were infected.


The US "studies" you mention are politically motivated, you think the current US "regime" has more credibility that the studies around the world, esp. in Europe? They were never retracted so they aren't wrong, so you should ask why suddenly Dialisys patients are used to come up with low seroprevalence. You don't know people who are sick because the majority of infections are asymptomatic mistaken for something else. I know a handful of people who tested positive and had no symptoms and a handful who got sick. The real infection rate is probably at least 3-4x of those who tested positive.
43   Onvacation   2021 Jan 17, 4:50pm  

ThreeBays says
Basically we're nowhere near peak infection, hospital overload, and deaths that would happen if the virus was allowed to spread freely.

SO, we have been "spiking" in "cases" for months and only 3% of population (>4M) have immunity? So, having a case doesn't give you immunity, lockdowns and masking definitely don't give you immunity, and the experimental biological agent doesn't give you immunity; what does? Are we to lock-down and mask for the rest of our lives as the asymptomatic Wuhan flu, or the next variant or strain, spreads over and over through our civilization, killing the sick and old?

Wuhan and other viruses are the hyenas of humanity. They strike the sick and frail. We, as a herd, can try to prevent the hyenas from taking the sick and frail but sacrificing the strong and healthy to do so is not a good idea. Unfortunately, all wars, even a war against an invisible enemy, take the most from the young and healthy.

Say NO to getting an experimental biological agent injected into your arm.
44   mell   2021 Jan 17, 5:03pm  

ThreeBays says
Is this also a false study?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2773576

It's funny how everybody is in on these conspiraci s and the orange prophet is the one to be believed.


It's one study of many. You do know that t cell immunity is a far better protection than mere antibodies? T cell immunity is likely responsible for a lot of observed immunity even when antibodies aren't detected. Of course both are ideal. We're not focusing on the orange man here, but on science and science says antibody focused immune response is inferior to a healthy T cell response. Which means the currently vaccines may have limited protection and rapid expiration. Who do you think benefits from testing overpriced vaccines on unsuspecting guinea pigs?

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/09/for-an-effective-covid-vaccine-look-beyond-antibodies-to-t-cells/
45   Robert Sproul   2021 Jan 17, 6:08pm  

ThreeBays says
Is this also a false study?


Here are some studies.
As far back as July a study in The Lancet indicated that government lockdowns were ineffective.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltexthttps://

A Frontiers in Public Health paper found neither lockdowns nor lockdown stringency were correlated with lower death rates.
www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full#SM6

Research from Tel Aviv University said that strict lockdowns may not save lives.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.11.20128520v1
But they certainly cause death among myriad other harms.

An article in Bloomberg by data journalist Elaine He said COVID mortality did not appear to be associated with lockdown stringency.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-opinion-coronavirus-europe-lockdown-excess-deaths-recession/

This lockdown regime is not “peer reviewed science" and has never been about public safety.
46   Onvacation   2021 Jan 18, 12:54am  

ThreeBays says
Meh, studies that fail to show

Don't let the facts get in the way of your truth.
47   Robert Sproul   2021 Jan 18, 3:56pm  

Onvacation says
ThreeBays says
Meh, studies that fail to show

Don't let the facts get in the way of your truth.


A brand new paper from scientists from Duke, Harvard, and Johns Hopkins.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28304/w28304.pdf

TL;DR: COVID Lockdowns Will Result In 1 Million Excess Deaths Over Next 15 Years

"Between  late  March-early April, most U.S. states imposed stay-at-home orders and lockdowns, resulting in widespread shut down of business. Unemployment rate rose from 3.8% in February 2020 to 14.7% in April 2020 with 23.1 million unemployed Americans.  Despite a decline to 6.7% in November 2020,the average unemployment rate over the year is comparable with the 10% unemployment rate at  the peak of the 2007-2009 Great Recession and it is near the post-World War II historical maximum reached in the early 1980s (10.8%). Importantly, COVID-19 related job losses disproportionately affect women, particularly of Hispanic heritage; African Americans; foreign born individuals; less educated adults and individuals age 16-24.  In fact, the unemployment rate underestimates the extent of the economic contraction as many potential workers have abandoned the workforce (especially women)."

"The long-term effects of the COVID-19 related unemployment surge on the US mortality rate have not been characterized in the literature. Thus, as a last step, we compute an estimate of  the excess deaths associated with the COVID-19 unemployment shock.   This corresponds to the difference between the number of deaths predicted by the model with and without the unemployment shock observed in 2020. For the overall population, the increase in the death rate following the COVID-19 pandemic implies a staggering 0.89 and 1.37 million excess deaths over the next 15 and 20 years, respectively."
48   Patrick   2021 Jan 18, 4:09pm  

ThreeBays says
There's still no exact known explanation as to why Japan, an aging, highly dense country, that didn't have much social distancing measures, had so few cases.


Bear with me for a moment.

What if Japan is one of the few countries telling the truth with their statistics, along with some 3rd world countries?

Maybe most of the deaths are simply a lie. Do we have a list of names of the dead? Did you see anyone get sick?

The fact that I still do not personally know even one single person who got sick from this supposed virus, much less any who died, makes me question everything.

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