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1918 flu had multiple waves over 3 years and no lock-downs.
Lockdowns clearly bent the curve, there's correlations everywhere to show that and had there not been an impact from lockdowns then there wouldn't be 2nd or 3rd waves.
Do we control dogs or do dogs actually control us and make us think we are controlling them?
Shaman saysTrue, but it never prevented Covid deaths only postponed them. We had time thanks to lockdown 1 to figure out the virus and how to treat it. However the medical establishment refused to authorize ANY treatment besides ventilators which had a 90% kill rate. Despite knowing of more than a handful of regularly prescribed drugs that did much to prevent Covid death and help patients recover. This is either sheer and utter stupidity by the people who we generally regard as highly intelligent, or the goal all along was to maximize Covid deaths to instill fear and ensure a demand for vaccines. Which do you think is more likely?
Or maybe you're just believing conspiracies generated by completely distrustable sources over science. I'll put my money on that any day.
mell sayshttps://patrick.net/post/1337674/2021-01-17-stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders
No benefits.
Bendavid & Ioannidis have no credibility as far as Covid studies.
empirical data over the 9 months
Both of us dislike lockdowns; the difference is choosing to be honest or dishonest about the facts.
That's who we're trying to save and shutting down our economy for. People that have lived a completely full life and beyond.
Relatives are worried that this thing might knock him off, but so far, no.
ThreeBays saysAnd dragons & fairies are real. Keep going with the fiction.
Hey what happened to Sweden, I thought they were right and were going to have herd immunity by middle of 2020. It must be the US Democrats that sabotaged Sweden.
What are you talking about? Sweden is doing better than the US with no lockdowns or masks. Nobody said that doing nothing will get lesser people sick. But the percent of infections and deaths are roughly the same everywhere, with lesser deaths in countries that have been using hcq and ivermectin. So keep peddling the great idea to wreck the economy on top of getting roughly the inevitable same infection curve/deaths and percentages. If you add drug abuse and suicide partially fueled by economic and social despair the US is doing much worse. Keep defending the demonrat murderers who withheld Ivermectin and HCQ purely for political (and financial) reasons! Ivermectin works.
mell saysSo keep peddling the great idea to wreck the economy on top of getting roughly the inevitable same infection curve/deaths and percentages.
Lockdowns clearly bent the curve, there's correlations everywhere to show that and had there not been an impact from lockdowns then there wouldn't be 2nd or 3rd waves.
Recent example in UK.
Both of us dislike lockdowns; the difference is choosing to be honest or dishonest about the facts.
400,000+ recorded deaths.
Stanford Medicine Seroprevalence Study of Dialysis Patients Shows Fewer than One in 10 Adults Has Antibodies to COVID-19 Indicating Herd Immunity is Far Off
https://www.darkdaily.com/stanford-study-finds-fewer-than-one-in-10-adults-have-covid-19-antibodies/
Basically we're nowhere near peak infection, hospital overload, and deaths that would happen if the virus was allowed to spread freely.
mell saysDialisys patients, surely you must be jesting! "Perfect" group representing the avg. person, people who hardly go anywhere and who can croak at contact with any moderate to severe virus. I expect them to have low serum prevalence. Most studies around the world with a real (averaged) focus group done as early as spring 2020 arrived at anywhere from 20%-40%
Other recent studies in the US and state test dashboards are similar.
You have the answer... the early tests that you loved to reference with anywhere near 20-40% were wrong.
I'm pretty sure that for most of us, we know relatively few people that were infected.
Basically we're nowhere near peak infection, hospital overload, and deaths that would happen if the virus was allowed to spread freely.
Is this also a false study?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2773576
It's funny how everybody is in on these conspiraci s and the orange prophet is the one to be believed.
Is this also a false study?
ThreeBays saysMeh, studies that fail to show
Don't let the facts get in the way of your truth.
There's still no exact known explanation as to why Japan, an aging, highly dense country, that didn't have much social distancing measures, had so few cases.
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