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2020 Aug 4, 10:47am   16,664 views  189 comments

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Teachers unions are the primary driver of systemic racism. Making sure kids don’t get an education and don’t get a choice of a different school. The poorer the kids are the worst they are affected and the less education they receive. This means that poor kids get poor educations and stay poor for their lives. If they don’t just drop out, join gangs, and wind up dead at a young age.

Now the teachers unions have managed to also fuck over working parents. People with jobs are expected to quit them to stay home with the kids and homeschool them. Regardless of their budgets of course. The only thing that matters to the teachers is that they get to stay home and still get paid.
Now the LA Unified School District has authorized free daycare for teachers who are parents, so they have someplace other than home (which is where they will be) to send their rug rats so they won’t have to care for them while “teaching online” everyone else’s kids who don’t get free day care.

In my neighborhood there are several gyms which have opened as daycare/schools able to provide daycare for school aged kids with staff who can help the kids with their online lessons. This costs $155-200/week and goes until 3PM same as a regular school day. Working parents who can’t be home with their kids to help them are expected to shell out $650-800/month per kid to “educate” their kids while public schools we all pay for are shuttered because teachers are scared of Covid. But NOT too scared to send their own kids to day cares as long as the school district pays for that!

Fuck teachers unions. Seriously.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/los-angeles-school-district-teachers-000213726.html

It’s in the article, buried:
“Teachers also will be provided with child care.”

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59   KgK one   2020 Aug 25, 7:41pm  

My daughter is ahead in math n doing algebra 2 on her own knows algebra 1 and geometry 1 already. I asked school to place her from algebra 1 to geometry, they said no. Guidance counselor (pronoun she , her hers) , thats how she refers to self, said my daughter will be with older kids and that's not good.

I told them to test her so she doesn't waste whole year learning nothing. They said they can't test algebra 1.

I will talk to principal but teachers are crazy.
60   WookieMan   2020 Aug 26, 3:21am  

Patrick says
Public employees should not be allowed to unionize at all.

+10,000! I've been saying this forever. It makes zero sense. Just set a prevailing wage rate that is set up your state legislature. Allow elected officials to decide what is a fair rate. A local school district shouldn't have the ability to raise my taxes as much as they do and the goal of the union is to raise those taxes as high as possible to line their pockets in the process.

Also allow bad teachers to be fired. How often does a teacher leave a school outside of a spouse needing to relocate or they literally fucked a student? Once you're in, you're in for life if you so choose. A large chunk of people are not good at their jobs or just going through the motions and teachers aren't exempt from that.

Teachers also shouldn't be allowed to get full pensions until they hit social security age (63? can never remember). Also cap wages with COL increases that match previous years inflation. Why do you get paid double at 55 for the same thing you were doing at 30? Make it a living wage of course, but the last two years of my mom's career as a flipping art teacher she was pulling in about 105k. It's my mom, but let's be honest, that's a fucking expensive babysitter watching your 4th grade make shitty art. She should have been making 60-70k tops.
61   mell   2020 Aug 26, 4:55am  

KgK one says
said my daughter will be with older kids and that's not good.


That's not entirely false. They should support her with extra advanced material, but skipping classes can have negative social effects on the kid. Still it should be the kid's and parent's choice after careful explanation and discussion if the kid is simply too good and would otherwise waste a year. Sometimes they have extra classes for the gifted without having to jump a class.
62   RC2006   2020 Aug 31, 12:16pm  

School called for me to pick up papers for youngest today and I told the teacher we are moving and don't need to. She asked where I'm moving to and said she understands why. She told me told me leadership at the top hates them, kind of caught me off guard.
63   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Aug 31, 1:26pm  

RC2006 says
She asked where I'm moving to and said she understands why. She told me told me leadership at the top hates the


RC2006, as much or as little detail that you are comfortable sharing,

what school district (or community or county or region or whatever) moving from, and where to?
64   Onvacation   2020 Aug 31, 1:53pm  

There is no real criteria for reopening California Schools.

My wife teaches at a local community college. They are already discussing online learning in the spring.

What is the end game of all this bullshit?
65   Shaman   2020 Aug 31, 3:52pm  

Onvacation says
My wife teaches at a local community college. They are already discussing online learning in the spring.


Mine too. She told me it’s most likely the way it will be done. She’s willing to return to the classroom, but honestly can get more done at home setting up and catering to online classes. Doesn’t miss the commute.
66   RC2006   2020 Aug 31, 5:11pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
RC2006 says
She asked where I'm moving to and said she understands why. She told me told me leadership at the top hates the


RC2006, as much or as little detail that you are comfortable sharing,

what school district (or community or county or region or whatever) moving from, and where to?


I'm moving from Santa Clarita CA to Suburbs of Boise ID.
67   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Aug 31, 9:18pm  

RC2006 says
to Suburbs of Boise ID.


RC2006, thank you for sharing.

I am not trying to be snarkey. I am interested in where in my state people are leaving from, where they relocate to, and why they chose the destination.

Would you mind sharing, why you chose Boise?
68   RC2006   2020 Aug 31, 9:35pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
RC2006 says
to Suburbs of Boise ID.


RC2006, thank you for sharing.

I am not trying to be snarkey. I am interested in where in my state people are leaving from, where they relocate to, and why they chose the destination.

Would you mind sharing, why you chose Boise?


I checked out all of the Pacific Northwest states. After family and I checked out boise we all liked it. It reminded me of CA when I was a kid. Lots of kids playing outside without parents, seemed like a much better environment to grow up in. I also like doing outdoor things and while CA does have some great places everything seems like more a hassle. I have a lot of great memories but gave up on it getting better, the state has really went downhill in my lifetime.

Work wise I'll be taking a big haircut in pay but my wife might not. Taxes and fees are about 40% less.
69   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Sep 4, 1:09pm  

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/09/teachers-union-wont-go-back-school-will-go-daniel-greenfield/

AFT planned 50,000 to protest Trump at Lincoln Memorial - impossible to socially distance at 6 feet in such an area.

Meanwhile, the same AFT is claiming it's murder to make them teach in classrooms because of close proximity.
70   Ceffer   2020 Sep 4, 1:12pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Meanwhile, the same AFT is claiming it's murder to make them teach in classrooms because of close proximity.


Well, it is, it is murdering the free ride. And we all know how important the free ride is.
71   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Sep 5, 8:19am  

Oh my gosh we're heading straight into a depression.

Ain't seen nothing yet.

72   Shaman   2020 Sep 5, 8:26am  

Ok but what after May? If you’ll recall, the state pushed back the date for paying state taxes to July. I wonder what it looks like through then?

California locked down early and hard and stayed down unlike most states. You’d expect the economic devastation to be far worse here than elsewhere, and indeed that seems to be the case. Estimates of up to 50% of small businesses closed for good. Many of those weren’t going to succeed in the long term, so this could just be considered a fast track of what would have come. But other popular places like Souplantation are gone now for good. That place was always packed. 24 hour fitness is likely gone as well as are many other gyms. If you worked in the entertainment industry, you’ve been unemployed for months, with no end in sight.
If you worked as a server you’re also probably still unemployed. And all the other support industries are hurting as well. It’s been a rough time for Californians, made especially worse by the draconian policies and orders from Newscum. If California winds up dramatically worse off than other states, will we look back with regret?
I doubt it. The elites still have theirs, and are even richer. And the underclass is stupid and bought off with trinkets for the natives.
73   RC2006   2020 Sep 5, 9:29am  

CA is trapped in a negative feedback loop at this point with no way out. Let see what happens when commercial side of prop13 get eradicated and even more businesses bail. They will kill residential side if prop13. Then raise taxes on everything across the board bleeding every last working taxpayer till nobody is left.
74   mell   2020 Sep 5, 9:31am  

RC2006 says
CA is trapped in a negative feedback loop at this point with no way out. Let see what happens when commercial side of prop13 get eradicated and even more businesses bail. They will kill residential side if prop13. Then raise taxes on everything across the board bleeding every last working taxpayer till nobody is left.


Sad I think they're so fucked and will slip into 2nd world status with the exception of a few enclaves.
75   RC2006   2020 Sep 5, 9:38am  

mell says
Sad I think they're so fucked and will slip into 2nd world status with the exception of a few enclaves.


I expect at some point freeway offramps will be gated for the rich areas and whole towns will become giant gated communities.
76   RC2006   2020 Sep 5, 9:42am  

Oh and fuck teaches union. Only reason teachers are not fleeing in droves from CA is because they are locked into a pention, or at least that's what every teacher tells me.
77   Ceffer   2020 Sep 5, 11:19am  

Recognition that they are killing the Golden Goose doesn't seem to be on their radar much. Public Service Unions become as thuggish as any others, and the militant teachers around Santa Cruz are aggressive apparatchiks.

I do hear some concern at times that the clock is ticking towards pension fund meltdown, but denial is strong. They will have to capture their tax victims faster than the victims can run away, and there is only one logical outcome of that scenario of chasing away your productive base while continuing to exploit and tyrannize them.
78   BayArea   2020 Sep 6, 2:53am  

RC2006 says
Oh and fuck teaches union. Only reason teachers are not fleeing in droves from CA is because they are locked into a pention, or at least that's what every teacher tells me.

I’ve received same feedback from teachers I know.

It’s sort of like prop13 preventing people from leaving their existing home.
79   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Sep 6, 4:48am  

Update: The NYS Teachers packed themselves on buses, despite their mortal fear of COVID, and did attend DC events hours away by bus.

The AFT is a key Gruppe of the Leftwaffe
80   Ceffer   2020 Sep 6, 5:16am  

" COVID is the sacrosanct, Globalist prime mover for eradicating the Bill of Rights. Should we honor it?"

" Nahh, that's what's nice about it. You only use it when you need it. You have to lean more about KommieKunt Relativity Theory. The requirements of tyranny are opportunistic."
81   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Sep 6, 2:56pm  

RC2006 says
teachers are not fleeing in droves from CA is because they are locked into a pention

Yes.

But then when they retire, they stampede out of here to Southern Oregon or Arizona or Carson City or other such places while we Losers and Suckers here in the state continue to backstop their pensions.
82   HeadSet   2020 Sep 6, 5:39pm  

But then when they retire, they stampede out of here to Southern Oregon or Arizona or Carson City or other such places while we Losers and Suckers here in the state continue to backstop their pensions.

I suppose they could pass a law In California that all California state and local government paid pensions will be taxed by California, regardless of where the pensioner resides. But I am sure a California judge would strike this down since it would affect the judge's pension. Therefore it may need to be a California constitutional amendment.
83   HeadSet   2020 Sep 8, 8:36am  

TrumpingTits says
HeadSet says
I suppose they could pass a law In California that all California state and local government paid pensions will be taxed by California, regardless of where the pensioner resides


Close. They did just that with all retirees fleeing Cali but Congress passed a law based on interstate commerce that banned it.


True, but a different concept. California wanted to tax all retirees based on how long they worked in California, and this tax pensions at a proportion to time in Ca. I can see how that would be disallowed, but hopefully they can make a case when California itself is supplying the pension.
86   Ceffer   2020 Sep 8, 11:10am  

FuckCCP89 says


That's easy. It's A. minus B. A little algebra goes a long way.
87   RC2006   2020 Sep 14, 7:01pm  

Week after I pull kids out ransomware attack takes down all online learning in their old school district and now all kids get zero education.
88   richwicks   2020 Sep 14, 7:36pm  

Ceffer says
FuckCCP89 says


That's easy. It's A. minus B. A little algebra goes a long way.


The answer, is D. Each of them have a bar line over them, labelled S. Why there's a block of "25" underneath C and D, I don't know, it might be an exercise to ignore data that isn't being included in the set?

The question is ambiguous, in that it's not clear if everything under S is included, or if only the first block is included. To add confusion, they call it a "diagram". That can be anything from a graph to a pictorial representation - they have to define what they mean by a "diagram".

Anyhow, this is what you get when you have a federal department of education and your last president got a 60 million dollar bribe for his "next book" they he never wrote after he gave $350 million dollars to Penguin Random House via Pearson Publishing.

https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/barack-and-michelle-obama-memoirs-bid-hits-usd60-million.html
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/obama_gave_commoncore_contract_to_publisher_got_65_million_book_deal_in_return.html
89   Shaman   2021 Feb 11, 8:27am  

Children of the wealthy are going to private schools or even public schools in person because their school boards opened them. Many districts which are wealthy around me are and have been open: Los Alamitos has been open all year, as has Irvine, Newport Beach, and now Huntington Beach. Meanwhile the poorer communities have had schools closed all year with no plans to reopen.
Most of the kids in these poor districts are failing, have problems logging in with substandard technology, have mental health issues and food insecurity, and are confined in small apartments trying to get educated while their parents have to go to their jobs in person. Being essential workers, their parents are being exposed to Covid, which drives up infection numbers for their zip codes, which gives their teacher’s union-dominated school boards justification to keep their local schools closed.
Which ensures that the kids(mostly minority) of the poor and lower middle class are NOT getting an education, or at least not much of one.

And who do we have to thank for this ongoing policy of SYSTEMIC RACISM? Why teachers unions and Democrats!
Thanks for keeping the brown people down you fucks!
I swear there’s nobody more racist than a Democrat.
90   WookieMan   2021 Feb 11, 9:23am  

Shaman says
I swear there’s nobody more racist than a Democrat.

Buying votes has a cost. The communities being bought need to wake the fuck up and understand they're being buggy whipped. It's not their fault, but they need to wake up and realize they're the pawn in the chess game. Won't change until that happens. Trump moved the needle, but if they can cheat, it needs to go next level. Not sure what that looks like.
91   RC2006   2021 Feb 11, 10:11am  

Month after lockdown many teachers started double dipping. Collecting public pay for half ass bullshit online education and teaching on the side in person to people who could afford it.
92   WookieMan   2021 Feb 11, 10:55am  

RC2006 says
Month after lockdown many teachers started double dipping. Collecting public pay for half ass bullshit online education and teaching on the side in person to people who could afford it.

This practice should be banned. If you file a W-2 or 1099, you should have your pension reduced an equal amount if collecting. Make $10k side gigging it, your pension payment drops $10k the next taxable year, or your pension is taxed for that $10k. We need to stop giving money away. It's sick as fuck.
93   RC2006   2021 Feb 11, 11:35am  

WookieMan says
RC2006 says
Month after lockdown many teachers started double dipping. Collecting public pay for half ass bullshit online education and teaching on the side in person to people who could afford it.

This practice should be banned. If you file a W-2 or 1099, you should have your pension reduced an equal amount if collecting. Make $10k side gigging it, your pension payment drops $10k the next taxable year, or your pension is taxed for that $10k. We need to stop giving money away. It's sick as fuck.


I'm talking about currently on the clock teachers, but ya same shit with the pension.
94   Misc   2021 Feb 12, 1:36am  

Cut the teachers some slack. First, most of them don't want to teach this "woke" shit that they are being forced to teach. They don't want to do actual work (yes, standing up in front of students and getting them to learn while babysitting a huge number of them is work), while the administrators play around with moving paper around especially when tons of the parents ain't working.

Also, they can read the info on their pensions 25% in stocks, 25% in private equity (ponzi schemes) and 50% in junk bonds (also ponzi schemes). They know their pensions simply don't exist.

There is simply no upward mobility available for the vast majority of their students and that's for the ones that can speak English. Added to that 20% of the school's budget is spent on kids with disabilities (don't get me wrong the kids are nice kids but a huge waste of resources).

It's hard to stay positive even without the prospects of job loss.
96   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Feb 24, 7:37am  

Misc says
Cut the teachers some slack. First, most of them don't want to teach this "woke" shit that they are being forced to teach. They don't want to do actual work (yes, standing up in front of students and getting them to learn while babysitting a huge number of them is work), while the administrators play around with moving paper around especially when tons of the parents ain't working.


Please note that I write this as a TDS Left Coast Liberal.

The problem that I have with this argument is that they are not doing their streaming instruction from their classrooms. If they would do that, they would send a powerful message to the students about work ethic, the importance of school, etc. *IF*** you buy their argument that it's all about their safety from germs, - well, an empty classroom is going to be safer than much smaller, confined quarters at home with others. Instead too many of them are streaming from home, exploiting the situation to keep their commute costs down, solve their own daycare/childcare problems, and since no commute and no time spent grooming or dressing for the job or whatever, maybe sleeping a bit later.

Since the gyms are closed I've been getting my cardio by walking in neighborhoods all over San Jose, a city of over one million (probably more if you include the undocumented). I have walked past so many public schools K-12 in every corner of SJ with nearly empty parking lots... maybe five to ten cars, that's all.

Then I walked past Valley Christian High School, a private school in San Jose. Their HS instruction was also streaming only, classrooms closed to students. The faculty parking lot was packed with cars, even though no HS students on campus. It's obvious what is going on: those teachers have a professional work ethic.

What's the difference? Can you say, "Teacher Union?"
97   Shaman   2021 Feb 24, 10:23am  

My youngest has been going to school in person without masks all year. Private Christian school, FTW. Only Covid incident was when her teacher got the Covid from a house guest outside of school. She taught a couple days after exposure and possibly while sick, but none of the kids got sick at all. The teacher recovered after a couple weeks.
My son also went in person for a couple months, and his teacher also got Covid from a friend, outside of school. No kids were infected.

So much for the “danger” to kids from Covid at school! And NONE of the teachers at either school got sick from in school contact.
98   MisdemeanorRebel   2021 Feb 24, 9:31pm  

Misc says
There is simply no upward mobility available for the vast majority of their students and that's for the ones that can speak English. Added to that 20% of the school's budget is spent on kids with disabilities (don't get me wrong the kids are nice kids but a huge waste of resources).


Mainstreaming Kids who are older but can't speak a lick of English as well as Special Ed kids is a massive disaster.

Teachers and Schools are forced to spend far more time, resources on them by spreading them across every school rather than concentrating them in a single classroom or, if large enough, a single school.

This is done on purpose to create more teaching jobs and grow the EduAdmin Empire.

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