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This afternoon I waited 1.5 hours in line at Turner Outdoorsman in San Marcos and put a down payment on a G19. Total cost including California sales tax is $647.

Of course they didn't have anything in stock but said they expect a bunch of Glocks to arrive in August. So I am probably 6-8 weeks away from getting my hands on it.

Many of the people I spoke to in line were first time gun shoppers and lamenting how retarded Democrat politicians have become with the Defund the Police B.S.

socal2 says

Many of the people I spoke to in line were first time gun shoppers and lamenting how retarded Democrat politicians have become with the Defund the Police B.S.

Did they offer any thoughts on how the reality of buying a gun turned out different from their expectations of how easy it was supposed to be? Did they think we need to make people to jump through even more hoops or the ones we already have is (more than) enough?

Has anyone ever been to this Bay Area gun shop: Primo Tactical Guns and Lingerie . Asking for a friend...

BayArea says

I’m looking to purchase a Glock19.

Anything less than a gatling gun is going to be a letdown. At least try to get a Polish AK47 or something else cool.

Eric Holder says

Did they offern any thoughts on how the reality of buying a gun turned out different from their expectations of how easy it was? Did they thing we need to make people to jump through even more hoops or the ones we already have is (more than) enough?

I didn't get that far into discussion with them.

Virtually all of the pistols were sold out, so alot of people were just putting down payments and have to wait until next month to get them.

I asked if they could at least start the background check and 10 day waiting period now, but they said they can't do that until the gun hits their warehouse so they can assign a serial number to me.

That's OK. I promised my wife I wouldn't buy anything today. I just want to start looking and get the process going. I only had to put down $150 refundable deposit and provide ID. When I pick it up, I have to bring proof of residence and take the test for firearm safety certification.

socal2 says

I asked if they could at least start the background check and 10 day waiting period now, but they said they can't do that until the gun hits their warehouse so they can assign a serial number to me.

The check itself can take 2-3 weeks now. Crazy backlog.

This is insane, I had no idea it was that bad. If wait is so long wouldn't it be better to just order online and have it shipped to local shop?

RC2006 says

This is insane, I had no idea it was that bad. If wait is so long wouldn't it be better to just order online and have it shipped to local shop?

Could be even faster if they have stock.
But there is no way around the check delays.

They said they can’t request the background check until the gun arrives at their warehouse so they can reference the serial number. I will be lucky to get It before the election!

This is an interesting thread! I still consider myself a gun noob, so I'll add some info that might be helpful.

Last week I waited about 40 minutes in line outside the Turner's Outdoorsman in Signal Hill (and I had an appointment!) before I was let in to order a new 9mm. There weren't any 9mm pistols in stock. I've been wanting to try a CZ 75, so I put a deposit down and they said they'd call me when it comes in. I figure sometime in August. The price is $669.99.

If you live in California, you're limited to 3rd generation Glocks. The newer ones aren't on the California Handgun Roster. This can be a problem if you're looking at pistols from online gun shops. Online gun shops HATE having to deal with Cal. gun laws. Many won't even ship to FFLs in our state anymore. The best-priced 9mms online are RARELY California compliant.

For 9mm, I only have a S&W SDVE 9mm (my first gun). I like it, and can shoot it fairly well. It has a tactile loaded chamber indicator, so I think it's a good first pistol, and pretty cheap (when I bought it 5 years ago).

I think the CZ 75 is the pistol I should have started with. It's all steel and heavy, so it's probably going to have less recoil than the SDVE. I'm hoping I do better at the range with it. It has a thumb safety, too. I'm not sure if Bay Area or Patrick have semi-automatic pistols yet, but if I had to start from scratch, I'd try a big heavy gun with a safety for my first 9mm .

If your gun of choice is not in stock in 9mm Luger consider buying it in .40s&w. Nothing wrong with that caliber it's just fell out of fashion lately so availability could be better during the panic. You'll have a gun you want albeit in different caliber and you can usually buy a 9mm Luger conversion kit for it later.

@brazil66, the first gun I bought was a CZ75B after shooting all of the guns that I could try.

You will enjoy shooting it. I recommend the compacts too. I have the CZ75 P01 compact, probably the perfect all around gun.

Check out Cajun Gun Works for things like sights and grips, etc.

I put a new set of sights on my CZ75, and rubber grips. The wood grips were nice, but I didn’t keep them.

Would a pump action AR-15 be legal in California? There are kits being used in New Zealand to convert the semi-autos to pump action with minimal effort.

Cover the nuMbErs!

brazil66 says

If you live in California, you're limited to 3rd generation Glocks.

Better anyway...

brazil66 says

For 9mm, I only have a S&W SDVE 9mm (my first gun)

I haven't shot that. My dad has the S&W MP. I don't like it. Mostly I just don't like the trigger action but those can be replaced/changed.

brazil66 says

It has a tactile loaded chamber indicator

No offense, if you like that. To me: yuck

The Colt 1911 was designed to have more stopping power. The Army .38 wouldn't penetrate sisal rope body armor worn by the Huks in the Phillippines, for example. The .45 cartridge fired just below center of mass of even heavy targets will sit them down. The immediate threat of a charging attacker is dealt with, follow up rounds will neutralize the threat. Even if fired off-center, heavy damage will result. When you run out of ammo, you can bludgeon them with the .45.

A 9mm doesn't have that kind of stopping power, but you can load 20 rounds in a single clip vs. 7 for the .45. If you practice, you shouldn't need more than 7 rounds to take out a target. And if you don't practice, why have a gun? Spray and pray is not a sound strategy for self-defense.

EBGuy says

Just be aware that some .357 loads will go through a foot of sheet rock or pine. There goes the neighborhood.
Anyone have one these shotguns for home protection? Plus: no pistol grip. Minus: all black. What would a jury think of Muh 20 inch barrel....

I have a similar one, bought just before the craze started. You might want to buy one with wood finish, may look less scary to jury. For home defense, bird shot is enough, it will not go through too many walls, which your neighbors will appreciate, and even under stress situation you will hit intruder as the shot scatters so a precise aim is not needed.

I bought a few (ca. 100) size 2 shot shells for home protection, even though I will never go bird hunting.

rocketjoe79 says

The immediate threat of a charging attacker is dealt with, follow up rounds will neutralize the threat.

I used to carry one of these guns in a shoulder holster when i was 11. Good for scaring off (or putting down) belligerent moose when I was out and about in the Alaskan wilderness. Only had to do that once, when one was coming after me and my dog.

Yeah, the .45 packs a punch! The gun is heavy and well designed, so the recoil is very manageable. Certainly part of it's popularity. I qualified expert pistol at 17 during Plebe summer at Navy. I had shot long guns plenty by then but pistols were a new thing to me. Easy peasy.

Shaman says

I used to carry one of these guns in a shoulder holster when i was 11. Good for scaring off (or putting down) belligerent moose when I was out and about in the Alaskan wilderness. Only had to do that once, when one was coming after me and my dog.

Haha yep that’s me back when I was a little girl!
Er... uh yah.

I qualified expert pistol at 17 during Plebe summer at Navy.

You are a Canoe U grad? You have my condolences. Anyway, the first Air Force side arm I qualified on was a .38 S&W revolver. Jesse James era tech for a modern military.

just_adhom_preaching says

Cover the nuMbErs!

What can go wrong with exposing a gun serial number in public? I'm sure there are lots of things, but I don't know what they are.

Yes, guns are good for telling liberals that you will not be beaten up for speaking the truth.

A couple of shots into the air should do it.

HEYYOU says

Are guns good for anything other than killing?

Yes, not getting killed by someone trying to kill you.

Patrick says

Yes, guns are good for telling liberals that you will not be beaten up for speaking the truth.

A couple of shots into the air should do it.

Load first 2 rounds with bird shot. Won’t kill them. But it’ll make noise and pepper anyone enough to not attempt.

thenuttyneutron says

Would a pump action AR-15 be legal in California?

Yes, but what's the point? Just convert your regular AR-15 into "featureless" and keep it as semi-auto.

Patrick says

Yes, guns are good for telling liberals that you will not be beaten up for speaking the truth.

A couple of shots into the air should do it.

@Patrick

Never pull out that gun unless you need to use it to prevent bodily injury or death to you.

By shooting in the air, you are putting your life at risk because you don’t know who is in the crowd and what firearm(s) they have on them.

If you fire your weapon, the next sequence can get very unpredictable.

Thanks, you are right.

Good news! Gun shop called to say they have one Glock19 in stock that they are holding for me. Appointment made, woot!

BayArea says

If you fire your weapon, the next sequence can get very unpredictable.

Yeah, even in a home invasion situation being Rambo is how you get killed / kill the wrong people. If possible, block off your little area where you know the angles. Yell out that you'll blow their head off. Get your wife to call 911 while you cover and stay in place to wait. Kids rooms being separate can complicate things but try to move that into the same plan.

99% of the time they will leave and you won't even need it.

Those cheap alarms people recommend are great. I have basically the same thing from HomeDepot for ~$20. Doubles as a motion sensing night lights when the parents are visiting (turn the alarm part off) so they don't get hurt wandering around my place at night.

BayArea says

Glock19 in stock that they are holding for me.

They must have tiny hands!

Just kidding BayArea I couldn't help myself. I still do think long run you'd like the 17 better. My hands aren't all that big. None of my business, personal choice. It was a perfect setup though! haha

Ha!

The G17 is more comfortable to shoot, no question.

Just like the size of the G19. And with the slight extended magazine, pinky wraps around just fine.

Or maybe just fucking move out of blue states:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/11/police-seize-gun-from-st-louis-couple-threatened-by-mob-violence/

Seize for what??

HeadSet says

I qualified expert pistol at 17 during Plebe summer at Navy.

You are a Canoe U grad? You have my condolences. Anyway, the first Air Force side arm I qualified on was a .38 S&W revolver. Jesse James era tech for a modern military.

Yup. For the pampered and spoiled pets of Uncle Sam.

Know in California, the cops are instructed to ask leading questions in order to blame the victim whenever possible:

Did you SEE the perp's weapon?
Why didn't YOU run away?
Why couldn't YOU run to your second floor bedroom and lock the door?

Make sure you get your story straight before you call 911 and call your lawyer first.

Otherwise, poor Jamal, who was getting his life straight at 22 after an armed robbery and several robberies that are sealed due to being from adolescence, was just confused and thought he was visiting Grandma Jemima to deliver her Christmas Present 4 months early on the second floor of your house when your White/Asian/Jew/"White Hispanic" Cuban Ass took his life in Fascist Supremacy

Kenji says

Glocks are unreliable.

Really?

Kenji says

If you're serious about self-defense, get a revolver. Glocks are unreliable.

Don't listen to this advice. There is a reason glocks are used by most LEOs. All my military friends carry glock or sig. They say glocks are the most reliable handgun on the planet.

Glocks have their faults but they usually go bang.
A revolver is the essence of reliable by its design.
I would trust a Glock to fire when I pull the trigger.

NoCoupForYou says

Why couldn't YOU run to your second floor bedroom and lock the door?

In CA you 'get a small dog'. Then you register it as an emotional support animal.

Then when someone breaks in you shoot the fuck out them and keep shooting them until they are not recognizable.

When interviewed you say: He kicked my dog.

The registered support animal dog is as good as your kid here.

Not that I would personally do this. I just have a fish.