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Red Pill Moments You've Had


               
2020 May 27, 8:20pm   9,373 views  77 comments

by MisdemeanorRebel   follow (13)  

Things, Ideas, Situations in which the cowl was removed from your eye and you saw something for what it was.

Can be anything, not necessarily political.

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8   socal2   2020 May 28, 1:09pm  

When I first moved to California and saw the big chunk they took from my paycheck for State Income Tax.
9   SunnyvaleCA   2020 May 28, 1:48pm  

just_dregalicious says
I never went for the reusable plastic bag thing out here in CA
I use the "one-time-use" plastic supermarket bags as my kitchen garbage bags. As a single person, I don't generate much smelly trash, so a small supermarket bag that I replace every 2 or 3 days is perfect. The amount of stuff I buy at the supermarket is roughly proportional to how much kitchen garbage I need to throw out, so the system is quite well balanced.

After the bag ban a few years ago I started reusing the "one-time-use" bags by taking them to the supermarket to use for things I buy. The key is that when I have friends or relatives visiting from out of state, they bring all their old one-time-use bags for me. Thus the California ban is having nation wide effects on conserving plastic bags! Amazing!

With the new "cower in place" rules, we're now not allowed to bring any sort of bags into the store. But, we now get free one-time-use bags. It's just like the good old days! I find this current turn of events quite humorous, actually.
10   Bd6r   2020 May 28, 1:54pm  

Saw how California is run, and saw how Texas is run after living in one for a very short time, and in other for a long time. Both are equally mismanaged, yet living in Texas is much, much cheaper with respect to everything, we pay much less taxes. Texas government is smaller and less intrusive, so their mismanagement possibilities are much lower. Lower middle class in TX can afford a house and lead decent life outside progressive Austin. IN CA, not so much...Any ideas of so-called Progressives for improvement via State power are stupid.
11   Patrick   2020 May 28, 9:08pm  

Automan Empire says
It was like some final pieces of life's puzzles were found at last for me. It put many past events in a sensible light, and has strong predictive power in relationships moving forward. So, that.


Exactly.

I was confused for a long time about women and why exactly they behave like they do, so different from men. Then I ran across https://heartiste.org/ (That link is the archive from after it was banned by Wordpress for too much truth-telling.) It was profoundly enlightening. I couldn't stop reading it for weeks. I was permanently changed for the better, or at least for the wiser.

Evolution explains pretty much all of it clearly and without blame, just factually. Women are weaker than men and need protection by some guy when they are pregnant or have a small child. And they don't particularly care if that guy is actually not the father of the child he is protecting and doesn't know it. What women care about is their own survival and the survival of their child. The guy is expendable. This was the evolutionary reality, and the behavior it created is still with us today.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Heartiste should get the Nobel Prize for some field of science.
12   HeadSet   2020 May 29, 6:56am  

Evolution explains pretty much all of it clearly and without blame, just factually. Women are weaker than men and need protection by some guy when they are pregnant or have a small child. And they don't particularly care if that guy is actually not the father of the child he is protecting and doesn't know it. What women care about is their own survival and the survival of their child. The guy is expendable. This was the evolutionary reality, and the behavior it created is still with us today.

Nice thesis, but flawed. There is the issue about what women find sexually desirable, and "evolutionary" that would be looks and leadership. Another issue is 'love." Yes, women actually do fall in love and that can bind them to a non-protector type, and certainly does not make that particular man "expendable."

Did that heartist theory come out recently, or before the pill and liberal divorce laws? In 1955, women were very cautious and behaved more like your theory since they knew they alone bore responsibility for any bastard children. But modern women, because of the pill, abortion, welfare, more employment opportunities, and the ability to live well off the proceeds of a divorce, have little fear of unwanted pregnancies or single parenthood. Thus, modern women behave a lot like modern men.
13   zzyzzx   2020 May 29, 7:36am  

Never had a cowl. Always has enough common sense to know BS when I saw it.

The closest thing to a red pill moment I ever had happened when my grandfather, who is from what is now northeast Poland, mentioned that even in the 1930's the Soviets were still butt-hurt over losing the Polish-Soviet war of 1920 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War_in_1920). Specifically mentioning the Soviets occasionally firing artillery into Poland, just like what the North Koreans do now to South Korea.
14   Patrick   2020 May 29, 8:26am  

HeadSet says
In 1955, women were very cautious and behaved more like your theory since they knew they alone bore responsibility for any bastard children. But modern women, because of the pill, abortion, welfare, more employment opportunities, and the ability to live well off the proceeds of a divorce, have little fear of unwanted pregnancies or single parenthood. Thus, modern women behave a lot like modern men.


The fact that women can now fuck around and even have children without dire consequences (at the expense of the taxpayer) and that they do is excellent proof that women find men expendable as a rule.

Sure, women may fall in love, but even the types they fall in love with confirms the whole Red Pill theory. They fall in love with assholes far more than "nice guys". They fall in love with guys who can protect them from other men.

It's pretty much the same among sea lions. The females put up with a lot of shit from the top sea lion, because he protects them from rape by the other male sea lions.
15   NDrLoR   2020 May 29, 8:49am  

OccasionalCortex says
Then at the same time we had Jimmy Carter
who founded The Department of Education in 1979 which has subsequently solved all problems with schools.
16   Patrick   2020 May 29, 9:05am  

BTW, if anyone wants to read the Heartiste site from the beginning, here is the first post:

https://heartiste.org/2007/04/09/endless-dating/
17   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2020 May 29, 9:27am  

SunnyvaleCA says
I use the "one-time-use" plastic supermarket bags as my kitchen garbage bags.


I use them for recyclables. I bet the center loves getting those new thick bags vs. the older thin ones. (sarcasm)
18   Bd6r   2020 May 29, 9:39am  

SunnyvaleCA says
I use the "one-time-use" plastic supermarket bags as my kitchen garbage bags.

I do the same. And since I compost most of food residue (we are not prohibited from composting, clothe-lines, and other environmentally friendly endeavors as in more progressive states), then I have a constant increase of quantity of plastic bags. May be I need to bring some to CA next time I visit.
19   goofus   2020 May 29, 10:05am  

Recognizing that "feminists" attack white men, and only white men, while tolerating Stone Age treatment of women by POC. Seeing this pattern repeat, whether it be outsized black crime rates in America, or Muslim-run pedophile rings in Europe, while "feminists" turn a blind eye. They see only color and justify it through dogma like "intersectionality" and "oppression hierarchies."

Those running the racket seek social deconstruction. The rest are useful idiots.
20   SunnyvaleCA   2020 May 29, 10:42am  

rd6B says
I do the same. And since I compost most of food residue (we are not prohibited from composting, clothe-lines, and other environmentally friendly endeavors as in more progressive states), then I have a constant increase of quantity of plastic bags.
I comost too with one of those rotating barrel thingies. It works really well and provides a constant supply of improved soil. My area now has a "kitchen scrap" sorting procedure that compromises the garbage can system; oh well, I almost never use since almost all of what goes there goes directly to my back yard instead. I use a clothes line too (at least for large/heavy items), but I prefer to call mine a "solar power clothes dryer" so it sounds more hip.
21   goofus   2020 May 29, 12:35pm  

Patrick says
Evolution explains pretty much all of it clearly and without blame, just factually. Women are weaker than men and need protection by some guy when they are pregnant or have a small child. And they don't particularly care if that guy is actually not the father of the child he is protecting and doesn't know it. What women care about is their own survival and the survival of their child. The guy is expendable. This was the evolutionary reality, and the behavior it created is still with us today.


Sure but Heartiste smears all of humanity into one "evolutionary" explanation. Outcomes differ across the globe in part because mating strategies differ. Take the Hajnal line of Europe, where north and west of the line (extending roughly from NW Russia to Italy) women delayed childbearing, married similarly-aged husbands, and had lower fertility. This phenomenon has occurred in central and NW Europe since the 1500's at least. Perhaps related, the IQ of this region is higher than in SE Europe, where women bore children early and often, and indeed higher than most of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line
https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/

West of this line, the average age of marriage for women was 23 or more,[3] men 26, spouses were relatively close in age,[4] a substantial number of women married for the first time in their thirties and forties, and 10% to 20% of adults never married.[5][6][7] East of the line, the mean age of both sexes at marriage was earlier, spousal age disparity was greater and marriage more nearly universal. Subsequent research has amply confirmed Hajnal's continental divide, and what has come to be known as the 'Western European marriage pattern' [...] The Western European pattern of late and non-universal marriage restricted fertility massively, especially when it was coupled with very low levels of childbirth out of wedlock. Birth control took place by delaying marriage more than suppressing fertility within it. A woman's life-phase from menarche (generally reached on average at 14 years, at about 12 years for elite women)[20][21] to the birth of her first child was unusually long, averaging ten years.[22][23]
22   HeadSet   2020 May 29, 2:08pm  

I prefer to call mine a "solar power clothes dryer" so it sounds more hip.

You are are using both "solar and wind power" to dry your clothes. Double hip.
23   marcus   2020 May 29, 2:24pm  

Trumps political success in 2016, the transparent way in which he manipulated the electorate in 2016, and the unwavering loyally of his cultists since then, was a major awakening for me.

This was a multilevel awakening. I knew that there was an undercurrent of ignorance and fear in this country, and not just within that one (right wing) segment of the country. But I had no idea how large that segments was.

That is the segment of the country that is either so hateful, ignorant and gullible that they would buy his con and lie to themselves becasue their underlying hate and fears are so strong, or the others that are unapologetic and don't even lie to themselves about their racism.

Previous to this I thought the OBama era proved we had moved past racism to a much greater extent than we have. Apparently Trump always understood (see birthergate) the numbers of people that were pissed off that an uppity black man became President.
24   marcus   2020 May 29, 2:29pm  

Patrick says
BTW, if anyone wants to read the Heartiste site from the beginning, here is the first post:

https://heartiste.org/2007/04/09/endless-dating/


There is definitely some good stuff there, I'll have to find more time to read it. Saw one on doulbe standards in the next month that was great.
25   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2020 May 29, 2:32pm  

RC2006 says
Elementary school from 30% to turning 99% hispanic with massive ESL, free lunch, poverty after 20yrs. Only being robbed by Hispanics and blacks. Looking at family photos of LA from the 30s on up.


Yep seen that
26   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2020 May 29, 2:33pm  

This one was an epiphany. In CA you can criticize America, government, flag, everyone, everything, except gays. Those are untouchable upper class.
27   komputodo   2020 May 29, 9:03pm  

Fortwaynemobile says
This one was an epiphany. In CA you can criticize America, government, flag, everyone, everything, except gays. Those are untouchable upper class.

Your list is way too short...you can't criticize blacks, fat people, trannies, climate change fanatics, #metoo women, muslims, the clintons, obama...I'm sure I'm missing some.
28   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 29, 9:07pm  

Patrick says
Patrick says
BTW, if anyone wants to read the Heartiste site from the beginning, here is the first post:

https://heartiste.org/2007/04/09/endless-dating/


Endless Dating has actually continued into Marriage as well. Before it was a simple gift on a birthday or anniversary. Then it turned into "Spend lots of money every Friday night or you deserve divorce."

The purpose of spending money on Courtship/Dating was A) To spend time to know each other and less likely (not foolproof) to avoid crazy and B) Prove you had disposable income, that could be used to support a family.

There should only be Fault (Abandonment, Adultery, Physical Abuse, or Incompetence, all of which must be a pattern rather than a handful of incidents over a long period of time) or Consent (Both parties have to mutually consent with total financial freedom, not guaranteed house and car transfers).

Also, perfect diversity of Gender and Ideology must be had by all Family Courts. No more 80% Lesbian Leftists.

No-Fault is always a disaster, be it auto-insurance or marriage, since it distorts incentives and rewards.
30   Ceffer   2020 May 29, 10:50pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Also, perfect diversity of Gender and Ideology must be had by all Family Courts. No more 80% Lesbian Leftists.


Good luck with that. Alameda County has at least one transgender judge that I know of, and you often see those transgender commentators on the libby news who are law professors at Stanford. Yup, you are going to get white line law, fairness, impartiality, and justice from them.
31   marcus   2020 May 29, 10:54pm  

Patrick says
goes too far to the right


Too far to the right for you ? I'm kind of curious what that looks like
32   Patrick   2020 May 29, 10:54pm  

Keep reading it.
33   HeadSet   2020 May 30, 7:04am  

marcus says
Patrick says
goes too far to the right


Too far to the right for you ? I'm kind of curious what that looks like


Pat as Right wing?

Right wing supports the working class by being against open borders and HxB abuse? Plus tariffs to stop outsourcing on manufacturing jobs? Doesn't like repressive ideologies like Islam? These used to be Democratic ideas.

Left wing is for open borders, HxB abuse Disney style, offshoring jobs and support of Islamists as a protected minority?
34   NDrLoR   2020 May 30, 8:11am  

NoCoupForYou says
No-Fault is always a disaster
and was prophetic coming in 1970 which was a disaster of a decade for everyone.
35   clambo   2020 May 30, 8:24am  

I have a few.

I worked for a small consulting company and they had been considered for some work by San Francisco.

To try to have proper “diversity” San Francisco has a “human rights” department look at contractors.

After looking at our personnel, San Francisco said: “This isn’t acceptable, you are all white males.”
“But, we have a lesbian and an Asian!”

I don’t think we got that contract.
36   marcus   2020 May 30, 9:10am  

HeadSet says
Left wing is for open borders


I've probably posted it a dozen times, showing how much Border security was increased during the Obama years.

It's a lie to sell something thats popular in both parties. I'll admit Trump is a good salesman/ conman.
37   epitaph   2020 May 30, 9:10am  

Taxes don't fund the government.
38   Onvacation   2020 May 30, 9:15am  

marcus says
That is the segment of the country that is either so hateful, ignorant and gullible that they would buy his con and lie to themselves becasue their underlying hate and fears are so strong, or the others that are unapologetic and don't even lie to themselves about their racism.

That does explain why people would vote for Biden...
39   Patrick   2020 May 30, 10:47am  

HeadSet says
Right wing supports the working class by being against open borders and HxB abuse? Plus tariffs to stop outsourcing on manufacturing jobs? Doesn't like repressive ideologies like Islam? These used to be Democratic ideas.

Left wing is for open borders, HxB abuse Disney style, offshoring jobs and support of Islamists as a protected minority?


I agree of course. Democrats have become something so completely alien to their own past that they can't even recognize support for labor anymore, much less actually support labor. So we get the amazing spectacle of a Republican president taking over all of the Democrats' old positions and driving them insane by pointing out their failures.

Maybe the real source of the Democratic conniptions over Trump is that they know he's basically right about trade, borders, labor, but would be too humiliated to admit it.

Pity Trump stopped telling the truth about Islam after that first visit to Saudi Arabia. So we are back to the situation where no one from either party represents the US in that respect.
40   HeadSet   2020 May 30, 11:43am  

marcus says
HeadSet says
Left wing is for open borders


I've probably posted it a dozen times, showing how much Border security was increased during the Obama years.


Yes, and that "Border Security" is a red herring. More likely that extra manpower was used to gather and bring the illegals to custody for catch and release, as opposed to letting them die in the desert. After all, Obama sued Arizona to stop Arizona from enforcing federal immigration law. Even so, Dem politicians today are all for open borders with enticements like sanctuary cities, catch and release, in state tuition, driver's licenses for illegals, voting in local elections, and even Newsome style direct payments. Dem politicians also do everything they can to hamper ICE.
41   marcus   2020 May 30, 12:16pm  

HeadSet says
Dem politicians today are all for open borders with enticements like sanctuary cities, catch and release, in state tuition, driver's licenses for illegals, voting in local elections, and even Newsome style direct payments. Dem politicians also do everything they can to hamper ICE.


This only confirms my contention that all Trump Cultists lie to themselves constantly. Same things with the defenses I hear from all the other Trump Cultists on this forum.

Even among all early Presidential contenders it was only about half. In congress and state governments, it's way way less.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/immigration/
42   HeadSet   2020 May 30, 1:24pm  

This only confirms my contention that all Trump Cultists lie to themselves constantly.

No, you are lying to yourself. Here in VA, the first thing the new Dem majority did was enable sanctuary cities and driver's licenses for illegals. Your Gov Newsome actually did authorize payment for illegals, and CA is strong on sanctuary cities and other methods to protect illegals for deportation. Why do you try to deny the obvious, and try to convince others that Dems are not pro illegal immigration (along with some Repubs, I may add)?
43   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2020 May 30, 1:26pm  

Another fun epiphany. Doctors take oath to save lives, it’s called Socratic oath. During pandemic you can’t find a doctor, they don’t want to see patients.

What happened to that oath?
44   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2020 May 30, 1:27pm  

BLM says they care about blacks, but all they do is burn neighborhoods and empty sloganeering. Don’t do much about Chicago killings either. Doesn’t sound like they actually care. Only organized protests for political gain.
45   Patrick   2023 Jan 8, 9:15pm  

https://adambcoleman.substack.com/p/i-was-red-pilled-by-a-british-conservative


Sometimes you meet people that you feel in your heart that you were always meant to encounter. That happened to me when I met a British conservative while traveling in Madrid as he red-pilled me, changing the trajectory of my life.

In October 2018, I was bouncing around Europe by myself & Madrid was one of my stops on vacation. Prior to setting up my trip, I thought I checked to see if one of my favorite teams, Real Madrid, was playing but saw they were playing away that weekend. ...

After the game was over, the beautiful sunny weather suddenly turned into a torrential downpour. With no umbrella & being far from my hostel, I decided to stay & watch the next game. Since I was staying, I sat next to a couple who would become highly influential in my life.

The guy was from Manchester but had been living in Spain for years. His girlfriend was born in the Madrid area. As the game was going on, we chatted about a variety of topics and he was a pleasant guy. After the game was over, we exchanged numbers & continued talking for daily.

For weeks we would talk & I had no idea about his personal politics until one day the topic of Brexit came about. He explained that he was in favor of Brexit happening. I was intrigued as to why because the US media had framed Brexit as being about racism & hatred of foreigners.

Yet he's been nothing but kind to me and pleasant, far from someone I would even consider as being racist. So, in good faith, I asked him why. He said, "The United States would never allow an outside governing body to tell it what to do".

For him, it was about sovereignty and getting rid of foreign bureaucracy, not hatred of any sort. He outlined a conservative perspective that I had never heard in the U.S. mainstream media and it was one of those red-pill moments as I realized I was missing an entire perspective.

For weeks, we would exchange ideas, recommend podcast episodes and go on audiobook binges. I became highly interested in learning more about conservatism and that's when he introduced me to Thomas Sowell.

I realized how an entire political perspective was hidden from me by the media and how I really didn't know any conservatives personally to gauge their perspective on the world around them. Some of the people I was told to dislike, I learned more about & found fascinating.

I was only able to learn from him because I had good faith in him as an individual and he didn't try to force me to accept all of his positions. We just talked like two people who respected each other.
46   GNL   2023 Jan 9, 2:19am  

Patrick says

I was confused for a long time about women and why exactly they behave like they do, so different from men. Then I ran across https://heartiste.org/ (That link is the archive from after it was banned by Wordpress for too much truth-telling.

Can you point out which article?
47   Shaman   2023 Jan 9, 8:26am  

Marcus said, “ This only confirms my contention that all Trump Cultists lie to themselves constantly. Same things with the defenses I hear from all the other Trump Cultists on this forum.”

I wonder if @marcus is still alive? I figure he’s one who would have tried super hard to vax himself to death while pushing for longer lockdowns and no in-person school 4EVA!

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