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Had Timothy McVeigh not killed children, I think he would have been spared the death penalty. If the jury, in his trial, had seen the series, they might have even found him to be temporarily insane due to justified rage.

I grew up in Waco, lived in Dallas for 38 years before moving back in 2005. It's called "Waco" because the rural setting of the tragedy is some 15 miles from downtown, so it was just our bad luck to be the only city of any size within that part of the state that it was dubbed with our name. Somehow Corsicana or Mexia wouldn't have been as effective or recognizable. One of my record collector friends lived just three miles from the compound. Mt. Carmel was an upscale neighborhood in the northwest quadrant of the city overlooking Lake Waco, had some lovely homes, but had nothing to do with the 100 or so people following Koresh. Every Sunday in '93 we would have people from the networks in the first part of our service getting footage to add to their stories, probably the first and last time they ever darkened the doorway of a church.

Thanks I’ll check it out

Great story.
Everyone has gun in such remote area. Govt created issue out if nothing. They killed 25 kids.

Instead of tear gas. Just break one wall with tank daily and let them know so they can move kids.

Curious if any of David's own kids survived?

Most people can't manage one girl more than 50 % divorse rate. He had many, so important to study such brain.

There’s a book by a father of a shooting victim, that schools shooting in Florida. Where he shows how government stupidity literally created that shit.

Might be similar.

Just watched it(well I’m on episode 5). Very well done. FBI and ATF both set off a miserable clusterfuck. Koresh’ hands were not clean by any means...he’s definitely crazy. But the government was atrocious.

Btw, whomever the actor is did a killer job at this. Koresh performs the song so the FBI can can hear it. It’s his last moment of defiance. By the Call, this version is better and id love to hear a heavy band with a strong vocalist redo this song.

Haven't seen it, but two falsehoods the Media got people to believe:

1. They all stayed on the compound and were under Koresh 24-7. Truth: Most had regular jobs outside the compound, many lived outside the compound, and most Branch Dravidians didn't live on the compound or even in the area.

2. That he was convicted or the evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a child abuser. It's important to note nothing of what happened had to do with these allegations, which were never proven.

Didn't see it, but my guess is Netflix white washed the actions of the FBI and Janet Reno, who was horrible, horrible person and acted like a tyrant here. She should have lost her job over this, but she probably had some dirt on Clinton so she stayed.

WillPowers says

Didn't see it, but my guess is Netflix white washed the actions of the FBI and Janet Reno, who was horrible, horrible person and acted like a tyrant here. She should have lost her job over this, but she probably had some dirt on Clinton so she stayed.

They didn’t white wash the actions of the FBI, but just made Reno look like a clueless idiot. Like she just rubber stamped the fbi.

ATF should've been disbanded right then and there. Still not too late.

"one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you"

KgK one says

Curious if any of David's own kids survived?

https://cultnews.com/2003/04/the-children-of-david-koresh/

Three.

You know what things are best to stockpile in the coming cannibal anarchy?

Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms

Not sure if feds overstepped? They flooded the compound with tear gas. At a strong enough dosage it makes the body constrict involuntarily. There is evidence of bodies with broken bones due to the constriction, little bodies. It's also highly flammable...

Waco was an attempt to clear the ATF after the Ruby Ridge massacre. Instead it cemented the long legacy of central governments being the primary instruments of violence and murder throughout history.

KgK one says

Great story.
Everyone has gun in such remote area. Govt created issue out if nothing.

Koresh was attacked on a pretext of "constructive posession of machinegun". If you have lace-up shoes you are in constructive posesson of a machinegun too:

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

They didn’t white wash the actions of the FBI, but just made Reno look like a clueless idiot. Like she just rubber stamped the fbi.

And you believe that? I think she was cunning, power hungry and a petty tyrant, and knew she could get away with destroying peoples lives with one of her orders and liked it.

Yeah. Just getting around to watching this.

What I like is how balanced this is.

Yeah. They depicted Koresh as a loony. But they also pointed out (more than once) that that wasn't enough for the government to do what they did. Same with Ruby Ridge.

I also didn't know just how corrupt & incompetent the ATF was.

Malcolm says

Had Timothy McVeigh not killed children, I think he would have been spared the death penalty. If the jury, in his trial, had seen the series, they might have even found him to be temporarily insane due to justified rage.

"Justified rage" is not an excuse for killing innocent people.

TrumpingTits says

that wasn't enough for the government to do what they did

What I remember from the time is that the operative was "child abuse" charges which during the hysteria of the McMartin and Amerault cases raging in the 80's and 90's, could justify any action, which included fire bombing the place, and Janet Reno thought this would be a nice feather in her cap. Both cases were examples of mass hysteria with no foundations in fact. One of the cases, I think the McMartin one, was the longest criminal trial in US history, ten years, that ended in acquittal for all parties.

Then we had 100 Branch Davidians.

Now we have a nation of Branch Covidians!

Thanks fake news media!

The mini-series was actually made by FX and originally aired there. I guess Netflix bought it after that, since they have their label on it.