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Heraclitusstudent says

It would be great if that works. There is a scientific process and you have to wait for the answer, and in the meantime acknowledge the signs that it is not working as much as the signs it is working.

You are stating 100% logical fact. A 60 person 100% success rate does at least imply a much lower critical condition and mortality rate though, no?

Thank god Trump passed right to try executive order. I'd try this drug cocktail if in critical condition. If in NV, would that be allowed? (I'm supposed to move to LV in 6 days)

This isn't a MEME, it's as truthful as it gets

Patrick says

the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM)

Probably the most politicized medical source ever

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/03/25/covid-19-bahrain-one-of-the-first-in-the-world-to-use-hydroxychloroquine-for-treatment

The Kingdom of Bahrain is one of the first in the world to administer hydroxychloroquine to treat active Covid-19 cases, says the country's Supreme Council of Health chairman Lieutenant-General Dr Shaikh Mohamed Abdullah Al Khalifa.

The Bahrain News Agency (BNA) quoted Dr Shaikh Mohamed, who is also the National Taskforce for Combating Covid-19 head, as revealing the information on Tuesday (March 24).

According to the news report, the drug is reported to have had a profound impact when used to treat the symptoms exhibited by active Covid-19 cases.

Bahrain first used the drug on Feb 26, following the registration of its first Covid-19 case on Feb 24.

Dr Shaikh Mohamed said the compound was administered in line with treatment regimens that have seen success in China and South Korea.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41565-020-0674-9

Chloroquine — an approved malaria drug — is known in nanomedicine research for the investigation of nanoparticle uptake in cells, and may have potential for the treatment of COVID-19.

Recent multicentre clinical trials1 and cell culture studies2 suggest that the 70-year-old malaria drug, chloroquine, may potentially display therapeutic efficacy against COVID-19 (corona virus disease 2019), a rapidly spreading viral infection that can cause pneumonia-induced death in approximately 2.5% of infected individuals1,3. Based on the preliminary clinical trial findings, chloroquine has been included in federal guidelines for treatment of COVID-19 in the People’s Republic of China. ...

There is cautious optimism that (hydroxy)chloroquine may have prophylactic and/or therapeutic effects against COVID-19, and understanding the mechanisms by which these drugs affect SARS-CoV-2 would be critical for optimizing and developing preventative and therapeutic strategies.

We should start referring to hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin as #TrumpPills, as Scott Adams is doing over at https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays

Heraclitusstudent says

You guys are looking at this with Trump colored glasses and clinging to any ray of hope like oysters to a rock.

I thought Obama was "hope and change"? Now hope = trump colored glasses.

I do not understand this criticism of Trump's hope and leadership. Seems to be TDS

Patrick says

We should start referring to hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin as #TrumpPills, as Scott Adams is doing over at https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays

Listening to him makes me proud I didn't give that Obamacare con job a single dime of mine.

So countries with lot of malaria , usually near equator are suffering less from corona.

Saw couple of map that showed that

CBOEtrader says

I thought Obama was "hope and change"? Now hope = trump colored glasses.

No, I just mentioned facts and I was immediately accused of posting useless anecdotes. This is not a neutral view of the information.
Patrick's screenshots of tweets are certainly even less relevant to estimate the usefulness of this drug.

Can anyone post a story about someone who took the Trump Pill and died?
NO! Because it has 100% effective rate.

No Drug ever approved by the FDA has that.

12 experts question everything about the handling of COVID19

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic

Heraclitusstudent says

CBOEtrader says

I thought Obama was "hope and change"? Now hope = trump colored glasses.

No, I just mentioned facts and I was immediately accused of posting useless anecdotes. This is not a neutral view of the information.
Patrick's screenshots of tweets are certainly even less relevant to estimate the usefulness of this drug.

If your CV went critical, would you try the #trumppill? I would.

Tenpoundbass says

Can anyone post a story about someone who took the Trump Pill and died?

There are already tests out there for systemic or cyto-toxicity which can be determined by using some 20% of the dosage. If those patients have adverse cardiac, renal, or inflammatory responses then the drug isn't right for their physiology and will simply need to be put on the respiratory until they either get better or not.

The truth is that no one in Fauci's NIH dream team wants to do that because it doesn't follow the path they've always taken with non-mainstream therapies.

Since it's an 'All Hands on Deck' global issue, the average clinician around the globe doesn't give a rat's about the US NIH and its way of doing business. This is why this protocol is breaking new ground because it's breaking US medical orthodoxy.

So let's hope for success because if this works, then Trump will be seen as a hero, as well as the guy who made the medical establishment accountable for their actions or lack of.

https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/essential-takeaways-from-chinas-response-to-covid-19-magnus-nordby.pdf#page=2

4. Chinese authorities have, according to our open-source intelligence, placed large orders on chloroquine, and we have got the impression that they maybe using this drug on a vast scale (e.g. https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/guangzhou-pharma-taps-old-antimalarial-drug-after-covid-19-use-is-proven; https://www.shine.cn/biz/economy/2002202403/). Guangzhou Baiyunshan Guanghua Pharma has resumed full production capacity and has a daily capacity of 2 million tablets, suggesting that the Chinese authorities believe that chloroquine is effective.

5.A key point is that Western publications have not caught up with the above information as it is only available in Chinese. The authors of this memo are concerned that Western authorities (e.g. CDC and WHO) are unaware of important information that can be used to effectively deal with the COVID-19 pandemic. Information on the potential benefits of chloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 mediated disease is beginning to appear in Western media5,6, 7, 8.

6.To what extent chloroquine treatment has been a key factor in the apparent Chinese success in fighting COVID-19 is unknown, but the evidence for a key role of chloroquine in this epidemic is compelling and needs to be investigated.

7.Our sources indicate that chloroquine administered at a sufficiently early stage maylower the numberof patients that will require hospitalization. In fact, this is what the Chinese have tried to do. Early treatment of infected people in Wuhan Cityreduced the percentage of severe conditions from 38% to 18%9.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/nevada-governor-bars-use-of-malaria-drug-for-coronavirus/

WTF is going on with this?

Why would the Nevada governor forbid doctors to prescribe this to Wuhan virus patients? You know, aside from the fact that he's a Democrat?

https://newsd.in/anti-malarial-drug-currently-only-remedy-for-covid-19-experts/

New Delhi, March 27: The health experts in India staunchly believe that hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, is currently the only remedy against the novel coronavirus, while also pointing towards its underlying side effects.

The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) has approved the use of hydroxychloroquine as a preventive drug for coronavirus, which has infected hundreds of people till now.

India has declared it an essential drug and restricted its sale and distribution. It can now only be sold on prescription.

Medical Director of LNJP Hospital, Kishore Singh told IANS, “Hydrochloroquine is only remedy available with us right now. As compared to other chloroquine, it is much safer but has very well-documented side-effects.”

Patrick says

Medical Director of LNJP Hospital, Kishore Singh told IANS, “Hydrochloroquine is only remedy available with us right now. As compared to other chloroquine, it is much safer but has very well-documented side-effects.”

He said that its intake can cause vomiting, hyperglycemia, hypothyroidism, optic neuropathy and hepatotoxicity.

Fucking shit, that's a nice set of side effects right there.

This one is especially lovely:

"Optic neuropathy is damage to the optic nerve from any cause. Damage and death of these nerve cells, or neurons, leads to characteristic features of optic neuropathy. The main symptom is loss of vision, with colors appearing subtly washed out in the affected eye."

But the rest is no slouch ethier.

Patrick says

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/nevada-governor-bars-use-of-malaria-drug-for-coronavirus/

WTF is going on with this?

Why would the Nevada governor forbid doctors to prescribe this to Wuhan virus patients? You know, aside from the fact that he's a Democrat?

And now the Democratic Governor of Michigan as well is forbidding doctors to prescribe the drugs to patients:

https://100percentfedup.com/breaking-mi-gov-whitmer-issues-open-threat-to-doctors-and-pharmacists-who-prescribe-potentially-life-saving-hydroxychloroquine-for-coronavirus-victims/

They are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.

Texas is actively importing the stuff explicitly for use against Wuhan virus:

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200326005739/en/State-Texas-Senator-Bryan-Hughes-Secure-Donation

If the stuff doesn't really work, Texas probably didn't hurt anyone by trying. Some side effects.

But if the stuff does work, the Democratic governors will have definitely killed a lot of people by preventing this treatment.

Patrick says

WTF is going on with this?

Why would the Nevada governor forbid doctors to prescribe this to Wuhan virus patients? You know, aside from the fact that he's a Democrat?

Dems want this to be a bigger crisis than it really is. Remember, this is the party that supports baby killing AFTER birth. This shouldn't come as a surprise.

Patrick says

Why would the Nevada governor forbid doctors to prescribe this to Wuhan virus patients? You know, aside from the fact that he's a Democrat?

This really is fake news

"Regulation exempts hospitals, emergency rooms
Sisolak has restricted prescribing chloroquine for COVID-19. But the order has an exemption for doctors issuing the drug to patients in hospitals and emergency rooms.

On March 24, Sisolak, a Democrat, signed an emergency regulation that safeguards the supply of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, which is sold under the brand name Plaquenil and as a generic. The order prohibits doctors in outpatient settings from prescribing and dispensing the drugs for COVID-19 treatment. It also limits prescriptions to 30-day supplies.

"While the two drugs serve necessary medical purposes, there is no conclusive evidence at this time among COVID-19 experts or Nevada’s own medical health advisory team that the drugs provide treatment for COVID-19 patients," Sisolak said during a press conference. "The emergency regulation is aimed at preventing the hoarding of the drugs so those that actually need them can have access to them."

Sisolak’s order came after President Donald Trump touted the potential of chloroquine in treating COVID-19 patients during a March 19 press conference, saying it could be a "game changer" and a "tremendou

News outlets first reported that Sisolak’s action was a ban on using chloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients. But that coverage missed a key fact: there is an exemption."

Patrick says

And now the Democratic Governor of Michigan as well is forbidding doctors to prescribe the drugs to patients:

Wait, I thought the Democrats were the party who refused to allow the Old White Males to interfere in the relationships between Doctors and their Patients.

Oh, that's only late term abortion.

Quinine creates a counterpoint of public perception that there is a possible ameliorating or curative treatment. If public perception is being manipulated for overreaching control of society, then anything that bypasses that goal is undesirable. The alleged disease and its consequences are trivial by comparison.

I don't even see this as about disease or cures. It's purely about ramping public perception, literally forcing everybody to stare into the abyss of the agenda, and fighting anybody or anything that doesn't go along with the control hierarchy.

Just talking with people around my neighborhoods, there isn't much thought or analysis, they are pretty much buying into the perception fiat. Any hypochondriacal or fear related need for saving rituals overwhelms their sense of perspective. It's a fascinating study in applied psyops, and the psyops are working so far.

However, the great unraveling of the economy will show just how far and how long the psyops scheme can last. There is a point where people will gladly start taking bullets OR disease rather than starve or rot in place.

rdm says

This really is fake news

"Regulation exempts hospitals, emergency rooms
Sisolak has restricted prescribing chloroquine for COVID-19. But the order has an exemption for doctors issuing the drug to patients in hospitals and emergency rooms.

Basically, it's an anti-hoarding measure. So yeah, looks like the guy is being dragged through the mud for doing the right thing.

Didier Raoult confirms efficiency of hydroxychloroquine on 80 patients
Has to be used with antibiotic azithromycine otherwise it doesn't work.
https://www.lesechos.fr/idees-debats/sciences-prospective/coronavirus-didier-raoult-confirme-lefficacite-de-lhydroxychloroquine-sur-80-patients-1189866

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/menlo-park-lab-aims-to-distribute-millions-of-coronavirus-tests/2262523/?fbclid=IwAR1WgILagZ3vkP0Gp2e5j05w4rAHhCfYVEGcUHjvhp-8uAJICawYqQTlC9A

Patrick says

They are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

Heraclitusstudent says

Patrick says

They are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

He didnt. He reported optimistic premilinary results from a micro test. Same thing you in post above.

Trump isn't a doctor, but he is visibly trying to do the right thing and talking person-to-person with the public on a human level. The so-called doctors in charge are bizarre political creatures with murky agendas.

Heraclitusstudent says

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

You keep trusting the people who brought us Obamacare and placebo Vaxes but keep my President out of it.
Some people just aren't sophisticated enough to see that Trump is now exposing that corrupt Swamp for what it is, and they are not to be trusted.
And Trump never says anything that is not 100% correct. You may not like that he says something that seems childish and not true.
But what he does is get them to look at what Trump was trying to get them to look at, in the first place.
You call it lie, I call it manipulate. Trump can manipulate the manipulative press into exposing their bias and Deep State's corruption every time.
So those Lies pack a big huge Truth. The problem is most people are dissecting and parsing the wrong words. And that's the Truth.

Trump has exposed that up until now, there hasn't been any testing done, mostly just reporting everyone sick and dead as corona virus victims. He lied to get the Media to finally admit and expose that the WHO and the CDC numbers were way over blown by 440%.
Trump lies all the time, and I love it.

And if Trump went all in on the Chloroquine, then you can bet your last dollar, he was convinced based on what he's seen. He probably has someone that has been railroaded and stonewalled by Fauci and FDC and Trump knows exactly which scumbag motherfuckers to nudge, provoke and snatch out of the dark dank corners of the seedy swamp corruption and thrust them into the spot light. You're seeing that now, with Dr. Fauci, so enjoy the show, you're watching a masterful sophisticated statesman at work.
Show some respect! Because you know damn well if you come down with it and you find yourself not breathing well. The first thing you're going to ask for is a Trump Pill.

Heraclitusstudent says

He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/28/michigan-man-credits-president-trump-for-surviving-coronavirus-says-gov-whitmer-sentencing-people-to-death/

Jim Santilli told talk radio host Steve Gruber he is “living proof” the combination of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin works.

Santilli said he became seriously ill March 18 “with severe cardiac and respiratory issues” and was admitted to Henry Ford Macomb Hospital in metro Detroit.

According to Gruber, “Santilli said the biggest problem was waiting for test results that took four days to come back. In the meantime his condition worsened by the hour, and he thought he was going to die.”

“Santilli says he was slowly drowning and was convinced he ‘would not live until midnight.’ That’s when doctors made a decision he says changed everything,” Gruber said.

The survivor said the drug combination began to work “within a few hours.”

Santilli credited Trump for his survival.M

Half Witt then outlawed it after the news broke. I trust Trump over anyone in a high level position anywhere in our healthcare system right now, and anyone would be a damn fool to doubt Trump over a Career Bio Research Investor acting like Doctors.

The reality is the Drugs in question are all already FDA approved, and in most instances with drugs. That includes being prescribed for off label uses. That happens all the time, especially with Cancer. Fibro Malagia, Auto Immune Disorders and most other tough to treat conditions have no known FDA Clinical study drugs for them, and every drug prescribed in those instances are all off label uses. This is the hard fact, and the Mayors and Governors has no business getting between Doctor patients treatment, that are using FDA approved drugs.

Fauci knows this and had no business shitting on Trump for announcing it. That guy is nothing but a greedy Vaxer profiteer and a medical huckster and a hack.

Shit, what could be more harmful than DEATH they are flouting and flogging us with? A few side effects compared with CERTAIN DEATH? What's to lose?

CBOEtrader says

He didnt. He reported optimistic premilinary results from a micro test. Same thing you in post above.

Why? He had no information on it. Why would he speak in favor or against a drug? This was stupid. Period.
If Obama had done that you would be blaming him, and now you defend Trump, not because he was right, but because you guys are a fucking cult.
Doctors have a protocol for a reason.
If you don't like it, go see the local witch doctor.

Heraclitusstudent says

Patrick says

They are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

He then also shouldn't talk economics. Or legislation. Taxes. On and on. Why is anyone POTUS at this point? You need to be an expert on everything by your standard.

Heraclitusstudent says

He had no information on it. Why would he speak in favor or against a drug?

Maybe he actually does have some information on it.

Tin foil hat on!

OK, let's say this whole disease was deliberately spread, and the spreaders always knew that there is an easy cure from the beginning. Maybe it was designed by Democrats/swamp/globalist/deep state to crash Trump's remarkably good economy in the hopes that Trump would not get re-elected. Or maybe it was created by, say, Russia, just to get the US and China to go at each other.

And maybe that info was leaked to Trump, and he wanted to get the info out there, to cut the epidemic short.

Fauci, a huge Hillary supporter, may have been horrified that the whole scheme to take down the economy was in danger, assuming he was in on it.

Tinfoil hat off.

Sure, that's all crazy, but this whole thing is crazy. You should be paranoid in proportion to the amount of money involved. And there are trillions involved here.

Patrick says

Why would the Nevada governor forbid doctors to prescribe this to Wuhan virus patients? You know, aside from the fact that he's a Democrat?

Because they are hoarding it for hospitals, nothing sinister in this case. Flip side is that probably drug is active against corona, if doctors are prescribing it.