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No more Rat poison in California

By mbSFBay follow mbSFBay   2019 Nov 21, 1:52pm 170 views   18 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


As per the current issue of 'The Economist', California may ban rat poison - this is while the Rat population has exploded (in part, due to the end of drought, and increasing homelessness).

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/11/23/a-californian-bill-would-make-it-harder-to-control-the-states-thriving-rats

In other words, rat trap will be the only way to get rats. Time for Californians to "Master Bait".
1   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Nov 22, 9:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I've only ever used traps, don't want my dogs accidentally getting poisoned. But if you have a mouse/rate problem, the real issue is your house is not secure in some area.
2   rd6B   ignore (1)   2019 Nov 22, 9:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rats Have Rights Too! (as opposed to Fucking White Males)
3   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2019 Nov 22, 10:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I didn't know that rats could vote.
4   mbSFBay   ignore (0)   2019 Nov 22, 3:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rats are like us (physiologically speaking), so maybe they should get to vote. They couldn't do worse than people anyways.
5   RC2006   ignore (2)   2019 Nov 22, 3:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
I didn't know that rats could vote.

If dead people can vote why not rats, at least they are legally here.
6   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (49)   2019 Nov 22, 6:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If it's banned the state schools can buy it at a discount - BIG! SAVINGS! - and use it for the public schools lunch programs and dramatically lower the body count! Wow, BIGGER! SAVINGS!

WINNING! and WINNING! BIGGER!
7   thenuttyneutron   ignore (0)   2019 Nov 22, 6:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does this mean RX warfarin is being banned?
8   Karloff   ignore (0)   2019 Nov 22, 6:30pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

The rats were voted into power in CA. Banning the poison is a a self-preservation tactic.
9   The_Weeping_Ayatollah   ignore (5)   2019 Nov 22, 11:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What about gopher poison? Still kosher?
10   HEYYOU   ignore (46)   2019 Nov 23, 9:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CA. prepare for an epidemic of Republicans rats.They spread anger,hatred & bigotry.
11   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2019 Nov 23, 11:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is hysterical. Amazon will ship mouse/rat poison to your front door. Not a chance in hell authorities will be able to enforce this as well. What a complete waste of time.
12   The_Weeping_Ayatollah   ignore (5)   2019 Nov 23, 1:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Amazon will ship mouse/rat poison to your front door.


Except they won't once the ban is in effect.
13   Automan Empire   ignore (2)   2019 Nov 23, 3:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The problem here (that critics aren't addressing) is that the poison is cumulative and devastating to the entire food chain. Predators eat poisoned rats etc, become poisoned themselves, die off, then the rodent population is left to REALLY explode. In the long term, it becomes like Chairman Mao's initiative to kill off millions of sparrows to save crops, which resulted in an explosion of crop eating insects far worse than whatever was done by the sparrows themselves.

https://www.npr.org/2014/06/21/323970068/la-mountain-lion-a-poster-cat-for-californias-rat-poison-problem
14   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (2)   2019 Nov 23, 6:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They expect Californians to eat rats soon.
15   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2019 Nov 24, 11:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
The problem here (that critics aren't addressing) is that the poison is cumulative and devastating to the entire food chain. Predators eat poisoned rats etc, become poisoned themselves, die off, then the rodent population is left to REALLY explode. In the long term, it becomes like Chairman Mao's initiative to kill off millions of sparrows to save crops, which resulted in an explosion of crop eating insects far worse than whatever was done by the sparrows themselves.

https://www.npr.org/2014/06/21/323970068/la-mountain-lion-a-poster-cat-for-californias-rat-poison-problem

While there's logic to what you're saying, I'm not certain the amounts of poison would impact a full grown ass mountain lion. The assumption that a predator is just going around, likely near really populated areas eating already dead, poisoned rats seems a bit of a stretch. Large rats are 800 grams and if poison is being used, they'll likely eat it at younger, lighter weights of say maybe 1/2lbs. Basically there's just not that much poison in it to transfer up the food chain or if mountain lions are eating them in city streets (not happening).

Mind you I'm no biologist, so I could be wrong admittedly. But I've yet to see piles of dead animals in and around cities where they are most certainly using poison to control rat populations.
16   The_Weeping_Ayatollah   ignore (5)   2019 Nov 24, 11:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
The problem here (that critics aren't addressing) is that the poison is cumulative and devastating to the entire food chain. Predators eat poisoned rats etc, become poisoned themselves, die off, then the rodent population is left to REALLY explode. In the long term, it becomes like Chairman Mao's initiative to kill off millions of sparrows to save crops, which resulted in an explosion of crop eating insects far worse than whatever was done by the sparrows themselves.

https://www.npr.org/2014/06/21/323970068/la-mountain-lion-a-poster-cat-for-californias-rat-poison-problem


This would affect coyotes even more due to their lower body mass, but somehow these things are thriving: we used to have just two resident coyotes in our neighborhood for years but this year I spot a gang of 5 or 6 roaming around just after sunset almost every night when I walk my dog.
18   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2019 Nov 24, 1:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
TDS!

Great comment and content! Thanks for the contribute!

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