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Turkey's Revenge


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2018 Oct 22, 7:39pm   7,539 views  54 comments

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/22/khashoggi-case-has-put-saudi-prince-right-where-erdogan-wants-him

Three weeks to the day since Khashoggi vanished after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Erdoğan has pledged to table the “naked truth” about what happened to the columnist and critic, whose fate continues to grip both countries and polarise the Middle East.

If he stays true to his pledge, much of the evidence that Turkey has gathered, incriminating Saudi Arabia in a plot to kill Khashoggi, will be revealed: in pictures, video and even bloodcurdling audio said to document his torture and death. ...



Erdoğan has the Saudis – in particular, the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman (AKA MbS) – right where he wants him. Out of crisis has come opportunity for the veteran Turkish leader, who has never warmed to the brash 33-year-old, and thinks even less of his regional allies.

The two men have vastly different visions for the future of the region: Erdoğan has been a champion of political Islam both at home and abroad, particularly since the rise and fall of Mohamed Morsi, the ill-fated former president of Egypt who hailed from the Muslim Brotherhood. The Turkish president has partnered with Qatar, Riyadh’s regional foe, given shelter to those exiled after Morsi fell, and remained a bulwark for a movement that Riyadh and its ally the United Arab Emirates see as existential threats.

But he has remained on the losing end of the struggle for regional power and influence.


Turkey was the great loser in WWI. If it had been able to hold on to Saudi Arabia and Iraq it would have controlled most of that oil and been a major power today. Now it may be trying to get back some measure of that influence by telling the truth about Khashoggi's death, slowly, in pieces that keep it in the news over and over.

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41   Rin   2018 Oct 25, 5:59pm  

Patrick says
I remember that case. There was a documentary about it, called "death of a princess".


It was the first real expose on what the culture of Arabia, make that Islam, was really about, long before 9/11.

If anything, nothing going on today should be a surprise to anyone. Realize, Paul Freeman was in that film, and that's what's got him his casting in 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' as Belloq, because Spielberg was impressed by him.
42   curious2   2018 Oct 25, 6:02pm  

Her name was Mishaal bint Fahd bin Mohammed Al Saud. Her grandfather the king ordered her shot to death, and after that was done the guy she was alleged to have committed "adultery" with was publicly decapitated by a member of her family.
43   Strategist   2018 Oct 25, 6:13pm  

curious2 says
Her name was Mishaal bint Fahd bin Mohammed Al Saud. Her grandfather the king ordered her shot to death, and after that was done the guy she was alleged to have committed "adultery" with was publicly decapitated by a member of her family.


If this happened in America, there would be no one left.
44   Rin   2018 Oct 25, 6:28pm  

Strategist says
curious2 says
Her name was Mishaal bint Fahd bin Mohammed Al Saud. Her grandfather the king ordered her shot to death, and after that was done the guy she was alleged to have committed "adultery" with was publicly decapitated by a member of her family.


If this happened in America, there would be no one left.


This is true because angry parents wouldn't have to hire a hit man, instead, they'd just call the Sharia Police and tell 'em that their single daughter was guilty of adultery with another single guy (and one of the same religion and ethnicity). Wow! The USA would a "Killing Field', much like Cambodia back in the mid-70s.

Seriously, and you think that America was experiencing some racial divide, KSA is a lot worse!
45   Rin   2018 Oct 25, 6:41pm  

Rin says

This is true because angry parents wouldn't have to hire a hit man, instead, they'd just call the Sharia Police and tell 'em that their single daughter was guilty of adultery with another single guy (and one of the same religion and ethnicity). Wow! The USA would a "Killing Field', much like Cambodia back in the mid-70s.

Seriously, and you think that America was experiencing some racial divide, KSA is a lot worse!


Here's a 911 Call ...

911 Operator: Sharia 911, how can we help you?

Parent: Help! Help! My daughter is about to run away with her boyfriend.

911 Operator: Ok, stay calm ... is she running away with a Christian, Jew, or Hindu?

Parent: Actually no, he's a Muslim.

911 Operator: Hmm ... is he some Sudanese fellow? Or perhaps, Turkish?

Parent: Well no, he's also an Arab.

911 Operator: That's a tough one ... did you say that she was single?

Parent: Well sort of, but I promised her to my in-bred 2nd cousin.

911 Operator: Ah, so she's promised! Let me check ... yes, that's a grandfathered adultery clause. So yes, we'll send in Abu Bakr & his 40 rapists/thugs to pick 'em up.

Parent: Oh thank you!

911 Operator: Hey no problem, that's what friends are for.
46   curious2   2018 Oct 25, 7:22pm  

Rin says
angry parents


do not usually resort to child sacrifice, unless they are Muslim. Islam is the last major religion to command child sacrifice. We see it across the Islamic world, and wherever Muslims migrate. Jews and Christians do not practice child sacrifice, because Leviticus prohibits child sacrifice specifically and the new testament prohibits killing generally. Jews and Christians might disown their children, even mourn them as if dead, but only Muslims resort to actually murdering them.
47   Rin   2018 Oct 25, 7:37pm  

curious2 says
Rin says
angry parents


do not usually resort to child sacrifice, unless they are Muslim. Islam is the last major religion to command child sacrifice. We see it across the Islamic world, and wherever Muslims migrate. Jews and Christians do not practice child sacrifice, because Leviticus prohibits child sacrifice specifically and the new testament prohibits killing generally. Jews and Christians might disown their children, even mourn them as if dead, but only Muslims resort to actually murdering them.


I guess I was referring to really angry parents, you know, the psychopathic ones.
48   Patrick   2018 Oct 25, 7:40pm  

It is perfectly permissible for a parent to kill his own child under Islamic law:

And in the classic manual of Islamic law, Umdat as-Salik wa ‘Uddat an-Nasik, we read:

Qisas is obligatory on whoever kills a person purely intentionally and aggressively (that is, not in self-defense). But qisas is not applicable on children or the insane under any circumstances, nor is it applicable on a Muslim for killing a kafir, nor on a free man for killing a slave, nor on a dhimmi for killing an apostate, nor on a father or a mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their child, or their child’s children.

Narrated Suraqah bin Malik bin [Ju'shum]: "The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) judged that the son is to suffer retaliation for [killing] his father, but the father is not to suffer retaliation for [killing] his son."

Grade : Da'if (Darussalam)
Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1399 In-book reference : Book 16, Hadith 15 English translation : Vol. 1, Book 14, Hadith 1399

It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “A father should not be killed for his son.”

Grade : Da'if (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 3, Book 21, Hadith 2661 Arabic reference : Book 21, Hadith 2763

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: 'The Hudud are not carried in the Masjid, and the father is not killed for the son.'


https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/36852/ruling-on-parents-killing-their-child

Qisas means "revenge".
49   Patrick   2018 Oct 25, 7:41pm  

BTW, a Muslim may murder any non-Muslim (kafir) at any time, and that's just fine and dandy according to Islamic law:

Patrick says
nor is it applicable on a Muslim for killing a kafir
50   Strategist   2018 Oct 25, 8:17pm  

Patrick says
It is perfectly permissible for a parent to kill his own child under Islamic law:


Honor killings. Only Islam can convince it's followers to kill their child for honor. What a fucked up religion.
51   bob2356   2018 Oct 26, 7:28am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
bob2356 says
Nice job with that strawman. Keep on making shit up and claiming I said it.. The lengths you go to to create strawmen and misdirection are impressive.

Bob, it's not a strawman, nor is it Whataboutery. It's a direct regurgitation of your own words:

It's okay to execute Gays and Witches - and apparently unmarried Princesses for adultery - if you have a Trial based on Shari'a Law and Islamism. But not Muslim Brotherhood shills who are trying to pick up paperwork to divorce their wife in Saudi Arabia - so they only have to pay 130 days support.
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My direct words were it's not front page news when someone is tried and executed according to a nations laws. The rest of the shit you just keep making up. Show one single place where I said anything was "ok" or not "ok" since obviously my statement I'm not offering my opinion on whether I condone or condemn was outside of you comprehension. .

Regurgitate is when you chew a bunch of stuff up, mix it up in your stomach. then throw it up all in a jumbled mess. So you are correct that you regurgitated.

Did you catch KSA's story of the day today? Well we sort of, kind of, may have, maybe planned it. But it was an accident that we planned it. It's like listening to a 5 year old explaining how the lamp got knocked off the table and broken. ROFLOL.
52   Patrick   2018 Oct 26, 7:53am  

@bob2356 got a link for that?
53   Strategist   2018 Oct 26, 8:24am  

bob2356 says
My direct words were it's not front page news when someone is tried and executed according to a nations laws. The rest of the shit you just keep making up. Show one single place where I said anything was "ok" or not "ok"


It's not always what you say, but also what you don't say that counts.
eg This Pakistani Anjem in London, never said he supports Osama, but flatly refuses to condemn him. What does that tell you?
Bob, you are such a slow learner. Please focus.

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