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LeonDurham says

Fix it? All he's done has made it worse.

Look at your own chart and explain 2013 and 2014, those boom years of Obama. Way after the trough of a recession, when wages should be booming.

LeonDurham says

OK--please share any example of a Dem demanding that Islam be spread.

Not what I said. I said that before, they "worried" about religion in politics. Now, they are celebrating that conservative Muslims are running for office as Dems.

Even if they married for visas.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Look at your own chart and explain 2013 and 2014, those boom years of Obama. Way after the trough of a recession, when wages should be booming.

Why? You're the one saying the economy sucked under Obama and it's much better now. Please show me how real wages going down and negative is better?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Not what I said. I said that before, they "worried" about religion in politics. Now, they are celebrating that conservative Muslims are running for office as Dems.

Even if they married for visas.

Yes it is. I claimed the quote was a strawman and you said, "not at all".

So please show me how it's not a strawman.

Too Much Religion! Stop asking candidates about their (Christian) Religion! Too much influence by (Christian) religion!
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/more-americans-say-too-much-religion-in-politics/
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/359571-dem-lawmaker-theres-too-much-religion-in-politics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6906693.stm
http://prospect.org/article/god-republican-why-politics-dangerous-religion-0

But when it's Islam, it's GOOD!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-muslim-elected-to-congress/
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/136605/nomination-muslim-federal-judge-obama-cements-reputation-president-firsts
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/politics/primary-results-minnesota-wisconsin.html
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/06/23/america-grew-muslim-democrats-find-welcoming-home-state-convention

Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?

LeonDurham says

So please show me how it's not a strawman.

1) It was a direct quote, which I have since turned into a link.
2) You can find more examples of the same elsewhere, e.g.

"Tlaib also supported Omar's run, sending a dozen of her campaign workers to Minnesota to canvas for Omar the weekend before the election.

"I can't wait to walk onto the floor of United States Congress hand in hand with you. So incredibly proud of you," Tlaib said of Omar on Twitter.
***
Omar and Tlaib have vehemently opposed the president's ban on travelers from several Muslim-majority countries, and in 2016 Tlaib famously heckled Trump during his speech in Detroit.

"When you see a Palestinian person with your name and faith succeed, it shows [the government] can ban us from coming into the country, but not from getting elected," Tlaib told ABC News last week.
***
In her heavily Democratic district, less than 5 percent of the population identifies as Arab-American.
***
"I will fight back against every racist and oppressive structure that needs to be dismantled," Tlaib declared in her victory speech in a room largely filled with Arab-Americans."

OK, good luck with that, congratulations on the primary, but it doesn't portend a blue wave. BTW, I bolded the "can't wait" quotation for you; you can thank me later.

I'm looking for something saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"

Nothing in the above says anything remotely like that.

LeonDurham says

Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?

I see it as a double standard: Christian Belief undesirable; Muslim Belief desirable.

Labour is doing the same in the UK by the way.

I see the new PM of Pakistan lost his opportunity to condemn Theofascist Blasphemy laws, however.

LeonDurham says

Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?

Hillary campaigned on importing (at American expense) at least 65k "Syrian" migrants in her first year, more to follow, 97% Sunni because the Syrian Christians and Shia were sheltering with Assad in order to avoid getting exterminated by the Sunni militias that Hillary was arming (also at American expense). Merkel imported 10x more Sunnis into other NATO countries. PatNet has a whole thread on Islamic Hijrah (totally different from the Hindu word hijra), including a map showing the "charity" IRAP serving Muslim-majority client countries by spreading Islam into NATO. Current Democrats campaign against the President's travel ban and demand to import more "refugee" Sunnis. So yes, Democrats were and are campaigning on spreading Islam.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I see it as a double standard: Christian Belief undesirable; Muslim Belief desirable.

Only because you misinterpret it. Muslims are often discriminated against because of their religion. Dems are party of Bill of Rights and they believe in freedom of religion, so they applaud the underdog being elected.

Speaking of replacing Americans at work, I notice that Obama had settled lots of Sunni "Refugees" in Twin Falls, Idaho. His big donor Chobani has a big Yogurt plant there.

Should help keep wages low for Obama's friends.

LeonDurham says

I'm looking for something....

No, you're not looking. If you were looking, you would easily find examples. It's like in the Abhulimen thread, where you didn't even look at the linked video that showed a blank white key card, and instead you insisted based on your own alleged experience that key cards are not blank. Instead of looking at facts, you are trolling, demanding that other people do the looking for you, as if we were your retrievers. I have other things to do today, so I am done playing your silly little game. People will vote in November, and if your antics are the best that Democrats can do, I don't see a blue wave coming.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Speaking of replacing Americans at work, I notice that Obama had settled lots of Sunni "Refugees" in Twin Falls, Idaho. His big donor Chobani has a big Yogurt plant there.

Should help keep wages low for Obama's friends.

Do you really want to get into a discussion of scandals? Because the Trump Administration is the most fraudulent, self serving, bunch of money grabbers that the White House has ever seen.

Nope, best President ever. Not "managing a decline" like Obama or making the world safe for Globalists like Clinton-Bush.

Love how being tough on trade ended up with big concessions from Europe. Another thing the ever-wrong pundits were wrong about.

Just wait until the FISA scandal is finalized. Strzok is involved in everything from the shitty Iran Deal to entrapping Flynn to rigging the Election.

Tim Aurora says

You Russian can keep om telling that. Traitor Trump is very near to impeachment

Trump is about as far from impeachment as you can imagine. Mueller's millions and months upon months have turned up bupkiss "collusion".

LeonDurham says

Dems are party of Bill of Rights and they believe in freedom of religion, so they applaud the underdog being elected.

Let me correct that for you. Democrats are the party of cultural Marxism, which preaches that equality of OUTCOME is the greatest virtue, and anytime there is inequality then a crime has been committed by the strong against the weak.
With me so far?
Now whichever groups are historically the weakest or least successful are then deemed to be on the receiving side of racism, sexism and bigotry which MUST be the reason for their failure as a culture! Islam fits nicely into the “failure” paradigm, so by Leftist thinking: Muslims must be oppressed! Therefore any success of theirs is to be celebrated and any criticism of Islam or Muslim behavior is RACIST and just more of the strong oppressing the weak!
Still with me?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Love how being tough on trade ended up with big concessions from Europe. Another thing the ever-wrong pundits were wrong about.

Tariffs are the one thing Trump got right, although the implementation left (and continues to leave) a lot to be desired. Liberals have been calling for them for a long time. It's Republicans and their "thinktanks" (Heritage, COC, et. al)that have fought against them for decades.

But, please detail these "big concessions" from Europe. What products? How much? When was the deal signed?

Quigley says

Let me correct that for you. Democrats are the party of cultural Marxism, which preaches that equality of OUTCOME is the greatest virtue, and anytime there is inequality then a crime has been committed by the strong against the weak.
With me so far?

No, because that's BS. Dems want equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Mueller's millions and months upon months have turned up bupkiss "collusion".

And you know this how exactly? Does Mueller confide in you? Or are you on the investigative team?

LeonDurham says

No, because that's BS. Dems want equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.

Uh, have you paid ANY attention to the news these past ten years? Socialism and equality of outcome are all the rage in Leftist circles. Racism is always to blame if outcomes are different. In fact, if I cared to dig up a few dozen of your OWN posts delineating this....

The Democrats are very against the bill of Rights and the first Ammendment in particular. We’ve seen unbridled censorship, restrictions against speech, assembly, and religious expression if the speech, assembly, or religion is NOT Leftist approved!
Your statement is exactly wrong. Perfectly diametrical from reality. It’s so false that it’s not even pants on fire, it’s GALACTICALLY WRONG!

Tim Aurora says

Trump is very near to impeachment

Please define "very near."

BTW, IRL, a friend expected him to be removed more than a year ago. It's like when people say the world will end in 2012 or whatever. It helps to get a specific date, because otherwise they keep saying "near...."

curious2 says

Tim Aurora says

Trump is very near to impeachment

Please define "very near."

BTW, IRL, a friend expected him to be removed more than a year ago. It's like when people say the world will end in 2012 or whatever. It helps to get a specific date, because otherwise they keep saying "near...."

Perhaps if they used more traditional language:
“The Impeachment is Nigh!”

Quigley says

Uh, have you paid ANY attention to the news these past ten years? Socialism and equality of outcome are all the rage in Leftist circles. Racism is always to blame if outcomes are different. In fact, if I cared to dig up a few dozen of your OWN posts delineating this....

The Democrats are very against the bill of Rights and the first Ammendment in particular. We’ve seen unbridled censorship, restrictions against speech, assembly, and religious expression if the speech, assembly, or religion is NOT Leftist approved!
Your statement is exactly wrong. Perfectly diametrical from reality. It’s so false that it’s not even pants on fire, it’s GALACTICALLY WRONG!

You keep saying such things, but all the evidence proves you wrong. Trump is the one who is opposed to freedom of the press. He is the one punishing his political opponents. He is the one against freedom of religion. I could go on and on.

Quigley says

Now whichever groups are historically the weakest or least successful are then deemed to be on the receiving side of racism,

LeonDurham says

And you know this how exactly? Does Mueller confide in you? Or are you on the investigative team?

Ummmm....
It was said months ago that Trump isn't a target of a criminal investigation
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/04/mueller-told-trump-hes-not-a-criminal-target-but-that-doesnt-mean-his-evidence-against-trump-is-weak/?noredirect=on

Love Democracy DIes in Our Deep State's attempt to put a spin on it, though. In fact the entire media was trying to spin this as Trump wasn't being "investigation". Uh yeah, it means Mueller isn't going after Trump himself.

LeonDurham says

Trump is the one who is opposed to freedom of the press.

You're confusing Freedom of the Press with being subject to Criticism.

It's very unnerving when the Press is making a full court press for and against something almost across the board, like Free Trade or the Iraq War or Voraciously Anti-Trump.

So far the only Press that has been silenced is Alternative Media via Big Tech with Legacy Media cheering it on.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Ummmm....
It was said months ago that Trump isn't a target of a criminal investigation
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/04/mueller-told-trump-hes-not-a-criminal-target-but-that-doesnt-mean-his-evidence-against-trump-is-weak/?noredirect=on

Love Democracy DIes in Our Deep State's attempt to put a spin on it, though.

lol--funny how when the press says what you want it to say, you believe it. But when it says something different, it's fake news.

The hypocrisy of the Trump cult is nothing short of ridiculous.

Regardless, if you read the article, it doesn't really say what you what it to say.

LeonDurham says

Trump is the one who is opposed to freedom of the press. He is the one punishing his political opponents. He is the one against freedom of religion. I could go on and on.

Lol, how about some facts though?

What evidence do you have for your assertions? I don't see any evidence at all that Trump is opposed to freedom of the press or freedom of religion.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

So far the only Press that has been silenced is Alternative Media via Big Tech with Legacy Media cheering it on.

Yes, now that's what I'm talking about! Actual facts.

Google and Facebook etc have truly literally censored the press, small press, but definitely clear undeniable censorship.

Trump has done no such thing. He calls them out on their ridiculously partisan coverage, but that's all.

LeonDurham says

Why? You're the one saying the economy sucked under Obama and it's much better now. Please show me how real wages going down and negative is better?

I told you why - years after the trough of the recession, and no real wage growth? Finally, at the very tail end of the Obama presidency, perhaps keeping pace with inflation but nowhere near caught up.

LeonDurham says

Read the quote again. Deficit and Debt are NOT the same thing.

Obama reduced the deficit. Trump is ballooning it out of control.

Obama almost doubled the debt, which is the result of deficit spending. $1.3T in his first budget, and over a Trillion until nearing the end of his office.

Saying the deficit and debt are not related is a falsehood. Deficits add to the debt, and by the end of his Presidency, Obama almost Doubled the entire National Debt. That couldn't have happened without running big deficits.

LeonDurham says

lol--funny how when the press says what you want it to say, you believe it. But when it says something different, it's fake news.

The spin is, it was reported Trump is not the subject of an investigation, but the Media tried to imagine scenarios or loopholes where that would not longer be true, instead of just reporting the news.

"Accountability Journalism" = Spin.

LOL freedom of the press-press say anything they want to-I can't say anything back. That is not how it works-except with Bush.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Obama almost doubled the debt, which is the result of deficit spending. $1.3T in his first budget, and over a Trillion until nearing the end of his office.

Saying the deficit and debt are not related is a falsehood. Deficits add to the debt, and by the end of his Presidency, Obama almost Doubled the entire National Debt. That couldn't have happened without running big deficits.

Of course they're related. But they're not interchangeable. You said Obama increased the deficit which is factually incorrect.

Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression so of course the debt increased. But, as the economy improved, he was able to significantly reduce the deficit like a good President should. Compare that to Bush or Trump who had a great economy and still greatly increased the deficit.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I told you why - years after the trough of the recession, and no real wage growth? Finally, at the very tail end of the Obama presidency, perhaps keeping pace with inflation but nowhere near caught up.

So, Trump causing real wage growth to go negative is somehow Obama's fault? Please tell me more.

Patrick says

Lol, how about some facts though?

What evidence do you have for your assertions? I don't see any evidence at all that Trump is opposed to freedom of the press or freedom of religion.

No problem. Here you go:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-revokes-post-press-credentials-calling-the-paper-dishonest-and-phony/2016/06/13/f9a61a72-31aa-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1db75500719d

"Donald Trump said Monday that he is pulling The Washington Post’s credentials to cover his events because he is upset with the newspaper’s coverage of his campaign."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/29/everything-need-know-donald-trumps-muslim-ban/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/06/21/trumps_attack_on_freedom_of_religion_130942.html#!

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

You're confusing Freedom of the Press with being subject to Criticism.

Nope, I'm rightly stating that revoking press credentials because Trump doesn't like the articles is restricting freedom of the press.

LeonDurham says

But, please detail these "big concessions" from Europe. What products? How much? When was the deal signed?

Did you find the agreement with the EU yet? Can you detail these "big concessions" that Mr. Art of the Deal was able to get from the EU?

LeonDurham says

Did you find the agreement with the EU yet? Can you detail these "big concessions" that Mr. Art of the Deal was able to get from the EU?

It's in the same file as the incredible nuke deal he cut with North Korea. I understand we did get some bones and a dog tag.

LeonDurham says

opposed to freedom of the press or freedom of religion.

No problem. Here you go:

Interesting: two articles from WaPo (one reprinted on RCP), both from 2016, both misleading; they illustrate why DJT called WaPo the Amazon Washington Post and part of why Democrats lost in 2016.

Your presentation of them makes me wonder if this is a reason why my favorite justice on SCOTUS decided to retire this year, thus making sure he could be replaced before any possible "blue wave."

Also, it illustrates what I said before: Democrats appear to be campaigning on opposing the President and spreading Islam.

As background, you should be aware that the federal government has Constitutional power to restrict international travel. For many years, American law prohibited Americans from traveling to certain communist countries, and prohibited their nationals (or any advocates of a totalitarian doctrine) from traveling here.

Yet, somehow, when candidate Trump proposed a travel ban affecting primarily certain Muslim countries, Democrats with TDS declared that a billion foreign Muslims have a Constitutional right to travel here and even to immigrate. SCOTUS sided with the President, initially unanimously, but ultimately in a 5-4 split where the 4 Democrats on the Court opposed the President, based on this unprecedented purported right of foreign Muslims to travel here and to immigrate. The partisan split was very surprising, to say the least.

Asked to provide evidence of President Trump opposing freedom of the press, you cite candidate Trump barring WaPo from his campaign events, due to WaPo's misleading campaign against him. These were technically private events, paid for by his campaign, and he had a right to ban opposing campaigns, including WaPo's as you have so nicely illustrated. Wake me when he signs an Alien and Sedition Act.

Asked to provide evidence of President Trump opposing freedom of religion, you cite a columnist going bonkers about the travel ban and related suggestions about how to defend against Islamic terrorism. For example, candidate Trump endorsed Mayor Bloomberg's policy (supported also by the federal government) of having NYPD surveil mosques. Somehow, WaPo forgot to accuse Mayor Bloomberg of opposing freedom of religion. The other example was profiling, e.g. by airport security, so a 20yo Muslim male might get more scrutiny than a 70yo Quaker grandmother. Considering that nearly all airline terrorism in the last 20 years has been perpetrated by Muslim males under 40yo, some people might call such profiling prudent, which is why Israel does the same thing. When candidate Trump suggests doing what Israel does, WaPo goes bonkers and accuses him of attacking freedom of religion, while somehow failing to accuse Israel of the same. President Carter banned Americans from traveling to Iran, and yet somehow WaPo did not accuse him of opposing freedom of movement.

So there we see it. Somehow, the Democrats' priorities are (a) oppose Trump and (b) spread Islam. It didn't work in 2016, but somehow magically it will provide a blue wave in 2018. Time will tell, but if the blue wave does not happen in November, I hope you might please reconsider the agenda in time for 2020.