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explain how climate change isn't happening.
The climate is changing and it is not getting hotter in spite of all our co2 release and all of our pollution.
because it's waaaay warmer than normal in other places.
Fewer and fewer are falling for the CAGW scam as the alarmist's climate models are proving that they have no relationship with reality.
actually 'believing' that climate change is indeed happening and that it is human-created.
Never claimed the climate wasn't changing or that humans might have a big effect on climate.
I am arguing against the co2 CAGW BS.
Co2 is NOT a poison. It is an essential part of the cycle of life on earth. Stop brainwashing kids with pseudoscience.
I always read global warming skeptics, whose premise is something ignorant like "The weather at my house today disproves climate change," in the most hillbilly voice possible.
It's not colder everywhere, fools! It's colder than normal at your place because it's waaaay warmer than normal in other places. Resources like this map are available.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/global-maps/201802?products[]=map-blended-mntp#global-maps-select
Go hang out in a sealed volume of 6% CO2 and see how that works out for you.
Onvacation saysNever claimed the climate wasn't changing or that humans might have a big effect on climate.
I am arguing against the co2 CAGW BS.
Co2 is NOT a poison. It is an essential part of the cycle of life on earth. Stop brainwashing kids with pseudoscience.
Okay, fair enough, I guess? I'm not entirely familiar with the 'CAGW scam' you're referring to, but you did state unequivocally that the earth not getting hotter as a result of increased CO2. That's.. simply.. wrong.
And CO2 is absolutely a poison to animal life at elevated concentrations. Go hang out in a sealed volume of 6% CO2 and see how that works out for you.
Everything is fatal to life forms in large quantities including water. That is entirely different than the idea that a substance is negatively affecting an environment as a whole.
The global warming trend has stopped as well in recent years. No more records. 2018 will be cooler globally.
And CO2 is absolutely a poison to animal life at elevated concentrations. Go hang out in a sealed volume of 6% CO2 and see how that works out for you.
mell saysThe global warming trend has stopped as well in recent years. No more records. 2018 will be cooler globally.
This is incorrect. Let's just take 'recent years' as, say, the past decade. 8 of the 10 hottest years on record have happened in the last decade. Any 'trend' you might deduce that suggests otherwise would be far too granular to provide useful. Because that's not how climate change models work. Just because 2018 MIGHT be a cooler globally (and how you're able to predict this not even halfway through the year, I'm at a loss) has no bearing on the larger-scale trend that's been happening over the past century.
theoakman saysEverything is fatal to life forms in large quantities including water. That is entirely different than the idea that a substance is negatively affecting an environment as a whole.
I was being a bit snarky, I'll admit, but it seems like you're only considering humans as the benchmark for CO2 toxicity. The presence of added CO2, and the resulting increase in temperature, is already having adverse effects globally on plenty of other organisms. Just look at the Great Barrier Reef... that's a die-off of catastrophic proportions, caused by a mere .6C elevation in temperature. Additional elevation in temperatures will only exacerbate the loss of biodiversity globally.
mell saysThe global warming trend has stopped as well in recent years. No more records. 2018 will be cooler globally.
This is in...
This argument renders itself worthless quickly. Because if you go back long enough you will find periods with much higher temperatures , in general and also with much lower CO2 concentration and you will find periods with much higher CO2 that were much colder with increasing glaciers.
2018 so far had been cooler globally, esp. in the US:
"During March, the average contiguous U.S. temperature was 42.6°F, 1.1°F above the 20th century average. This ranked near the median value in the 124-year period of record. The year-to-date (January–March) average contiguous U.S. temperature was 36.8°F, 1.6°F above average, ranking among the warmest third of the record. This was the coldest start to a year since 2014 for the nation."
Consider it took about about 75 years to go from around 300 to 400ppm.
Industrial activity has managed to drive up CO2 levels by a comparable amount in about 100 years, an order of magnitude faster than ever measured before. This is not a natural fluctuation.
That is stratospherically fast, compared to historical data. A 75ppm change has normally taken thousands of years.
So why has the temp not gone up an order of magnitude? Can you point me to the formula that relates co2 level to global temperatures?
You can't because co2s effect on the climate is trivial compared to the sun.
this formula suggests
I wouldn't call that 'trivial'. I'd call it 'half'.
Even if it goes up 150ppm per century, we've a long way to go, and can solve the problem slowly. The CO2 levels went up by 25-30% and there was barely any movement, maybe a degree C at worst.
Suggests? Seems to be missing a few variables.
All that data manipulation and the alarmists could only get one degree of warming over the last century.
. 1 degree C change in only 100 years is fucking colossal, and incredibly fast. A 1 degree change in global temps normally happens over geological time periods, thousands of years at the QUICKEST. We're talking epochs.
A 1 degree change in global temps
Just because 2018 MIGHT be a cooler globally (and how you're able to predict this not even halfway through the year, I'm at a loss)
Do you hear yourself? You claim it is impossible to predict global temperatures 6 mouth in advance but are an avid fan of those who predict global temperatures decades away.
What CO2 blanket?
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