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Goran_K says

errc says

Patrick did it himself, so yea it’s literally happened before.

It was in a comment reply to FortWayne where I suggested that Christians Grow up already and stop acting like children. Patrick said it was a personal attack on Fort Wayne lmao.

Uh, so basically you called FortWayne a child? Direct personal attacks get scrubbed.

Learn the rules homie.

Nope, I suggested that Christians grow up and stop living by fairy tales intended for children.

Learn to read, pal

Feux Follets says

Goran_K says

That's literally never happened on this board and I challenge you show where a post like that was scrubbed because of unfavorable comments towards Christians

They do is you make unfavorable comments about the GOP, Trump and anything that suits the moderators fancy.

Ixnay on the onestyha

Yeah, just ask HEYYOU! and all the Anon posters about how anti-Trump, anti-GOP, etc. comments disappear immediately.

Automan Empire says

My business is zoned in the gritty industrial area of town, the same part that homeless "Shit Rolls Downhill" wind up occupying. After decades of daily experience, I have no illusions or sympathy.

There are do-gooder charities that give out care packages of food and clothes. This ends up concentrating increasing numbers of homeless, and maintaining them JUST ABOVE their rock bottom, in perpetuity. They cherry pick the canned goods and abandon the ones they don't want or can't trade (most of the package.) They wipe their ass on the carefully laundered and folded clothes and abandon those too.

Sometimes I'll witness a bunch of them languishing around the far reaches of a shopping center parking lot. Then, the heroin dealer pulls in and these people suddenly COME ALIVE and walk with determination to meet him.

It sucks coming back from a weekend to find someone has spent a great deal of time methodically going through everything in my parking lot, stealing and ...

SF is pretty similar. You need to threaten to beat them up before they let go with their aggressions unless they are coked out then you may have to follow up with your words and dump a huge bottle of disinfectant over you afterwards. It's really sad, it's the continuation of people not being held accountable for their actions, the snowflake culture. I'm all for helping those who want help, but there needs to be structured program with tough rules and jail time for those who refuse. Couple of SF hoods have already gone to shit, literally more-so than ever.

Automan Empire says

There are do-gooder charities that give out care packages of food and clothes. This ends up concentrating increasing numbers of homeless, and maintaining them JUST ABOVE their rock bottom, in perpetuity. They cherry pick the canned goods and abandon the ones they don't want or can't trade (most of the package.) They wipe their ass on the carefully laundered and folded clothes and abandon those too.

Sometimes I'll witness a bunch of them languishing around the far reaches of a shopping center parking lot. Then, the heroin dealer pulls in and these people suddenly COME ALIVE and walk with determination to meet him.

It sucks coming back from a weekend to find someone has spent a great deal of time methodically going through everything in my parking lot, stealing and damaging things left and right. Recently in addition to obvious foraging, one left me a big pile of poop, inches from a stray paper plate and trash can, then stuffed the shitty paper towels into the wheel...

Yup, this. Had the homeless occupy the fenced air conditioning unit behind my business office (out of line of sight, cardboard could create roof) because there was a working electric outlet and a hose, too. Watched them for over ten years around Fremont. They got stuff from the shelters and just left it in bushes and by the office. Sometimes, I'd open my personal office door and couldn't because there was a passed out body wedged there. One guy snored so loud, it rattled the windows and I had to go out and wake him up and shoosh him so the clients wouldn't leave. Sometimes, it would scare the crap out of me, because I would open my personal office door, and there was a homeless guy staring in or casing out the office. It was a weekly ritual every Monday to clean up syringes, beer cans, bottles random items of clothing, sleeping bags, garbage, condoms, etc before the clients arrived.

mell says

I'm all for helping those who want help, but there needs to be structured program with tough rules and jail time for those who refuse.

This.

Feux Follets says

They do if you make unfavorable comments about the GOP, Trump and anything that suits the moderators fancy. Not sure about Christians per se but I stand by everything else.

Are you kidding?

You mean like this thread?
https://patrick.net/post/1314031/2018-02-25-the-paul-manafort-dilemma

or this one?
https://patrick.net/post/1313705/2018-02-09-alt-right-trolls-weaponized-irony-to-spread-fascism

or the half dozen other threads where people are typing "TrumpCuck" or "republitard" that are currently up right now this very second?

The back of our office has a 3ft brick wall a few feet out from the building that creates a natural "homeless hangout". Had a guy who lived back there for about 6 months. He was a vet. Guy had some porno mags and liquor back there, but his area was basically clean. He didn't use the bathroom by our building, and didn't take drugs. For some reason people in my office didn't like him being there, and got a restraining order. So he left, and now we get random people back there weekly. Some just camp overnight, but others have used the area to piss, or talk VERY LOUDLY in small groups. The latter obviously didn't respect our office, and I was fine with shooing them away. But the vet, still don't understand what the issue was, other than homeless people make others uncomfortable.

I'm glad to hear that liquor isn't a drug. My "regular" homeless guy could have been my brother, with a beard and hippie hair. When I sold the office, last I saw, he must have reported it as his address to an emergency room where he was stashed. I saw him in the parking lot in a wheelchair, lolling and drooling, with his belongings tied in a plastic bag to the handle. The emergency room just dropped him off that way and gave him the wheelchair. He was clearly finally on his way out.

And so are these people.

NuttBoxer says

The back of our office has a 3ft brick wall a few feet out from the building that creates a natural "homeless hangout". Had a guy who lived back there for about 6 months. He was a vet. Guy had some porno mags and liquor back there, but his area was basically clean. He didn't use the bathroom by our building, and didn't take drugs. For some reason people in my office didn't like him being there, and got a restraining order. So he left, and now we get random people back there weekly. Some just camp overnight, but others have used the area to piss, or talk VERY LOUDLY in small groups. The latter obviously didn't respect our office, and I was fine with shooing them away. But the vet, still don't understand what the issue was, other than homeless people make others uncomfortable.

The issue is that they are supposedly mostly with shame in their eyes with their head dread-locked and full of mange when they ask you silently for a buck. At least that's how the Everlast song goes (which I like) and how the left portrays them when it suits them til they criminalize them when they come too close to their Hollywood mansions. And maybe that used to be how they were and I have seen many of those in other countries as well. And I feel bad for them and occasionally give them food or coffee. However the reality these days here is that 1 in 20 is like that, and the other 19 are either coked out, crazed out, or hyper aggressive, hissing, threatening, flinging shit at you and throwing back the food and coffee you gave them because it wasn't a $20 bill. Or all of that. No shame, just pure aggression and crazyness. Where have the nice homeless gone? If you threaten people you better get the fuck out of my way and straight to jail. The empathy stops right here.

Goran_K says

The University of North Carolina did an experiment 3 years ago where they attempted to gauge the cost of homelessness. Moore Place has 120 units, and was built at a cost of $12,000,000 (not counting staffing and maintenance cost per year). So to house 120 homeless people, it cost an instant $12,000,000 hit, and whatever the continuing cost will be to keep the property, maintain it (utilities, meals, etc), and fully staff it. These startup costs are much cheaper in North Carolina than they are in Orange County.

Good point. They need to figure out some way to entice homeless people into moving to less expensive housing markets. Unfortunately the weather and generosity of rich Southern Californians (to panhandlers) gives the homeless all the incentive to stay in places like Orange County. Beggars can make up to $300-400 per day. Tax free. What's not to love?

Goran_K says

Direct personal attacks get scrubbed.

Correct. If you're attacking the user and not his point, the comment should be deleted.

It's the difference between "Your point is incorrect" and "You're an asshole". The first one is great, especially if you have evidence. The second one is disallowed, since it harms the whole discussion.

This is how Frank Jordan cleaned up Art Agnos' homeless mess in The Beautiful City by the Bay back in the day, I tell ya.

mell says

Where have the nice homeless gone

Who knows? Mostly the crazy ones and the druggies are the ones I see these days. I won’t give them a bent pin. The economy improving and jobs are plenty, but they want to sit around and make their surroundings worse while they drink and use drugs until they pass out in a puddle of piss on the sidewalk. Then I have to answer uncomfortable questions from my kids as to why we need to walk into the street to avoid the diseased plague rat on our way to the donut shop.

There’s talk on my neighborhood watch page of placing signs to discourage giving to panhandlers in the neighborhood. We don’t want them there, and giving them money just helps them continue to be a problem.

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