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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   282,888 views  1,397 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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985   Patrick   2023 Apr 24, 3:05pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2023/how-british-gun-control.htm


How the British 'Gun Control' Program Precipitated the American Revolution

When people think of the causes of the American War for Independence, they think of slogans like “no taxation without representation” or cause célèbre like the Boston Tea Party.

In reality, however, what finally forced the colonials into a shooting war with the British Army in April 1775 was not taxes or even warrant-less searches of homes and their occupation by soldiers, but one of many attempts by the British to disarm Americans as part of an overall 'gun control' program, according to David B. Kopel.

Furthermore, had the American colonies lost their war for independence, the British government intended to strip them of all their guns and place them under the thumb of a permanent standing army.

In his paper titled “How the British 'Gun Control' Program Precipitated the American Revolution,” Kopel claims that various 'gun control' policies by the British following the Boston Tea Party, including a ban on firearm and gunpowder importation, tells us not only the purpose of the Second Amendment, but its relevance within the context of today’s 'gun control' debate.

“The ideology underlying all forms of American resistance to British usurpations and infringements was explicitly premised on the right of self-defense of all inalienable rights,” Kopel writes. “From the self-defense foundation was constructed a political theory in which the people were the masters and government the servant, so that the people have the right to remove a disobedient servant. The philosophy was not novel, but was directly derived from political and legal philosophers such as John Locke, Hugo Grotius, and Edward Coke.”

Kopel writes that two important things underlined the American response to the British policies. One was the practical concept of self-defense, which British disarmament measures was making more difficult. The other, and more relevant concept, was that “Americans made no distinction between self-defense against a lone criminal or against a criminal government.”
997   ForcedTQ   2023 May 11, 12:34pm  

Patrick says






Also Honduras: Owned and run by drug cartels…
998   Patrick   2023 May 15, 12:34pm  

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/mar/29/when-my-family-was-disarmed-armenian-genocide-perp/


We know from the Ottoman Penal Code that the firearm registry was universal and instituted before the genocide. In addition to a gun registry, there were specific penalties put in place for Christians if they were caught openly bearing arms. Despite these restrictions, I’m proud that people in my ancestors’ village of Tomarza were known to openly carry guns in direct defiance of the tyrannical Turkish government.

Unfortunately, their defiance did not stop the Turks in the long run. My great-grandfather’s brother, an eyewitness, wrote in a letter that after the Turks declared that all registered guns would be confiscated, it resulted in “all weapons, even hunting guns, [being] surrendered to the government.” If anyone refused to do so, they would be put to death.
1000   Patrick   2023 May 22, 3:34pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2023/65-of-usa-right-to-carry-no-permit.htm

65% of USA Enjoys Right to Carry without a Government Permission Slip



1001   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 May 23, 8:53am  

Arizona is not open carry though. That is allowed to be restricted by local jurisdictions. In that case you would still need to apply for a CC permit to carry everywhere...
1002   Eric Holder   2023 May 23, 6:26pm  

Patrick says




https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs

Tiananmen.


Color revolution. Good thing it was quashed. Amirite? We can't have these CIA-induced coups against our GREAT ANTIGLOBALIST LEADERS, no Siree Bob!
1004   richwicks   2023 May 26, 1:13pm  

Eric Holder says

Patrick says





https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs

Tiananmen.


Color revolution. Good thing it was quashed. Amirite? We can't have these CIA-induced coups against our GREAT ANTIGLOBALIST LEADERS, no Siree Bob!


The United States began to trade with China AFTER Tienanmen Square, not before.
1005   Eric Holder   2023 May 26, 1:22pm  

richwicks says

Eric Holder says


Patrick says






https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs

Tiananmen.


Color revolution. Good thing it was quashed. Amirite? We can't have these CIA-induced coups against our GREAT ANTIGLOBALIST LEADERS, no Siree Bob!



The United States began to trade with China AFTER Tienanmen Square, not before.


So it's not a good thing that CIA-induced color revolution was quashed, you say?
1007   AD   2023 May 27, 4:29pm  

looking at websites like Cheaper than Dirt and Ammo Land, everything is down a lot in price

as if ammo and 9 mm handguns are back to 2018 prices

.
1008   richwicks   2023 May 27, 4:29pm  

Eric Holder says

So it's not a good thing that CIA-induced color revolution was quashed, you say?


I'm saying if the CIA was involved, it was the CIA that quashed it.

The CIA has NO RECORD EVER of supporting a democratic movement. They have multiple examples of throwing over democratic republics though.

Iran, Gautama, Chile, Ukraine most recently.

Name any color revolution that happened in the last 10 years that worked out for either the United States or the victim countries. I'm so sick of people thinking "oh, this time it will be beneficial". The CIA isn't making errors, it's not making mistakes, this the outcome they want. Chaos. WHY? I have no idea. Maybe it gains some small amount of power for a tiny group of people. CIA doesn't work for the benefit of the United States.
1009   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 May 27, 6:44pm  

ad says

looking at websites like Cheaper than Dirt and Ammo Land, everything is down a lot in price

as if ammo and 9 mm handguns are back to 2018 prices

.


share links please!
1010   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jun 3, 8:36am  

Pistol brace law is dead, gonna see about getting my order updated:

https://zerohedge.com/political/federal-judge-blocks-atf-pistol-brace-rule-major-gun-group
1016   HeadSet   2023 Jun 16, 4:55pm  

Patrick says





And the owner of that truck is the real father of those kids.
1019   RWSGFY   2023 Jun 17, 1:44pm  

Patrick says






... and in CA there will be a mandatory 10 day waiting period before fucking a new woman.
1021   Patrick   2023 Jun 26, 3:45pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2023/hispanics-and-second-amendment.htm


...in my experience in Florida, and as I travel and speak to many, I am finding Hispanics from all socioeconomic backgrounds increasingly demonstrating a greater appreciation for traditional American values, including respect for the U.S. Constitution and, in particular, the Second Amendment.

The Number of Hispanic Gun Owners in America is Growing The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade group representing firearms manufacturers, commissioned a retailer survey to gauge the interest of Hispanics in America in exercising their lawful right to keep and bear arms. The survey determined that law-abiding Hispanic-Americans purchased firearms in 2020 at a 49% higher rate than they did in 2019. This uptick in interest seemed to be reflected in the 2020 presidential election, as the former president got 10% more of the Hispanic vote than he did in 2016.
1024   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 3, 8:33am  

Regardless of how it happens, the fact is before the pharma industry, mass shootings were non-existent.

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