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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   247,015 views  1,290 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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574   AmericanKulak   2021 Oct 5, 9:11pm  

Patrick says
He says that a standing army will generally defeat any militia because they are better trained and more experienced, unless the militia itself gains experience due to a war. He also points out that the militia of the "colonies" might well defeat the British army if they gain enough experience in warfare.


In his times, every soldier was pretty much a soldier: Trained as infantry, cavalry, or artillery back when artillery was cannons firing on the battlefield itself. 90% of enlisted men had one of these roles.

In our times, 90%+ of soldiers drive trucks, stamp paper, operate radios, perform vehicle maintenance, etc.

Stomp the tail. And when the teeth have to be deployed to defend the tail, there is far less teeth to do the actual "search and destroy" - and usually not enough to guard the tail effectively, either.
575   BayArea   2021 Oct 5, 9:48pm  

You’re not taking the guns Joe
576   PeopleUnited   2021 Oct 6, 1:03am  

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
Stomp the tail. And when the teeth have to be deployed to defend the tail, there is far less teeth to do the actual "search and destroy" - and usually not enough to guard the tail effectively, either.


Besides that, I don’t think colonel gender studies is going to be an effective field commander when zirs supply of mocha lattes are in jeopardy due to supply line disruption.
577   AmericanKulak   2021 Oct 6, 7:22am  

The Red Line is any new Federal Gun Laws. And that is an absolute Red Line.

Any disagreements?
578   Eric Holder   2021 Oct 6, 11:02am  

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
The Red Line is any new Federal Gun Laws.


The fucks are having trouble even with raising the debt ceiling. New Fed gun laws? LOL.
579   Onvacation   2021 Oct 6, 4:04pm  

richwicks says
I, for one, do not believe these are real people. Don Lemon, said something similar. I just can't take these people seriously and honestly, I don't think they are actually serious.

I didn't think the people that said we had to lockdown for a cold were serious.

I am afraid there are many people out there that believe, "this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated" and think people that refuse to take a jab of this experimental biologic agent are threatening their safety.
580   Onvacation   2021 Oct 6, 4:08pm  

It's not logical, it's emotional.
581   AmericanKulak   2021 Oct 6, 4:50pm  

Eric Holder says
The fucks are having trouble even with raising the debt ceiling. New Fed gun laws? LOL.


Don't be so sure.

Watch the Green New Deal/Infrastructure Deal pass. The Republicans will claim they got it down to $3 Trillion, after holding all the cards on the debt ceiling.
584   Eric Holder   2021 Oct 14, 1:03pm  

zzyzzx says
Ban bows and arrows!


Don't give them ideas!
585   AmericanKulak   2021 Oct 19, 5:55pm  

Name landmarks "Kardashian's Ass" or "Wet Pussy" or "Piss Coffee" or "Rocky Pisser" or "Rubber Shredder", share the names.

Don't be "Tacticool" by using names like "Hill 152" or "Lake Freemont" or "The 168". That's the US Military being PC, or the real names that can be matched to a map.

When you communicate, use the bullshit landmark names, not the official names.
586   RWSGFY   2021 Oct 19, 7:44pm  

HunterTits says


Concealed means concealed.
587   AmericanKulak   2021 Oct 19, 8:12pm  

The War on Cash:

591   Patrick   2021 Nov 23, 7:47pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/zuby-the-usas-second-amendment-could-be-the-one-thing-standing-between-the-worlds-population-and-complete-global-tyranny


Zuby: "The USA's second amendment could be the one thing standing between the world's population and complete global tyranny." 🇺🇸




592   Patrick   2021 Nov 27, 10:31am  

https://babylonbee.com/news/top-8-reasons-you-absolutely-dont-need-a-gun


Are you thinking about buying a gun? Ew. What's wrong with you? Gross! Just... ew. Guns are very problematic, and so are the people who use them. You don't need one. Here's why.

#1) You can always count on the police to protect you: That's just a fact. Police are proven 100% effective at protecting innocent people!

#2) There's no evidence to suggest the government would ever overstep and try to take away your rights: A government has literally never done this. Don't be so paranoid!

#3) Guns make journalists wet their pants: If you live near a journalist and he hears you own a gun, he may wet his pants. You don't want something like that on your conscience.

#4) Guns are NOT cool and awesome and fun to shoot and useful for protection: Just trust us on this. We're journalists.

#5) Criminals have guns and use them to do bad things: You don't want to be like a criminal, do you?

#6) Nobody's going to break into your house when there's plenty of free stuff to loot at Target: Relax. Seriously.

#7) Your much manlier neighbor already has a gun: You can just borrow his if you really need it!

#8) Gun handling is best left to the professionals: Like Alec Baldwin.

So do the world a favor and DON'T buy a gun. Don't visit an online store for a fantastic deal on a firearm. Just don't.
595   Patrick   2021 Nov 30, 9:59pm  

http://jpfo.org/alerts2021/alert20211130.htm


KYLE TRIAL PUTS LEFT IN DENIAL
Nothing short of vilification and guilt would have sufficed

Outrageous fabrications, disproven by evidence, is all that supports the left

Truth at last—the left is against that, self-defense, firearms, individual rights ...

Don’t forget: The Rittenhouse shooting came after the city of Kenosha erupted in violent racist protests, called “demonstrations” by reporters standing in front of active arson sites, following release of a video showing Jacob Blake, a Black man, getting shot in the back by white police officer Rusten Sheskey. Blake, armed with a knife plainly visible in photos, refused police commands to stop, at the house of his ex-girlfriend who had an order of protection against him for domestic violence, and was not stopped by a Taser or initial police gunshots, and instead got into a car to escape.


Lol, excellent title!
597   RWSGFY   2022 Jan 12, 8:49am  

Here's a picture accompanying a short podcast bloviating about "solution to end school shootings" Apple News offered today:




See anything weird in the pic?
598   PeopleUnited   2022 Jan 12, 9:50am  

You mean other than Apple suggesting that they report “news”?

Seems like cartridge is wrong size for that barrel and the muzzle is possibly threaded on the inside which means it likely is not even a functional barrel.
599   Onvacation   2022 Jan 12, 10:05am  

PeopleUnited says
muzzle is possibly threaded on the inside

That's just some SERIOUS rifling to make the bullet spin to the right.

Ya don't want left spinning bullets, do you?
600   Eric Holder   2022 Jan 12, 10:09am  

Onvacation says
PeopleUnited says
muzzle is possibly threaded on the inside

That's just some SERIOUS rifling to make the bullet spin to the right.

Ya don't want left spinning bullets, do you?


The gun is an airsoft replica of Glock. And the cartridges are revolver cartridges which are not compatible with any Glock, especially airsoft. =))

The rifling is not for spinning anything but rather for adding some airsoft-specific appendages to the end of the barrel.

The conslusion is: fucking cunts produce gun-related "news" but don't even have a firearms consultant on hand to run the shit by before publishing yet they are offering bold "solutions" aimed at "gun violence". Pathetic.
601   Eric Holder   2022 Jan 12, 10:14am  

PeopleUnited says
Seems like cartridge is wrong size for that barrel and the muzzle is possibly threaded on the inside which means it likely is not even a functional barrel.


Bingo.
602   Patrick   2022 Jan 14, 1:09pm  

https://patriotpost.us/articles/85541?source=patrick.net


On Sunday, December 12, at 1 p.m. on Sycamore Lane in Garden Grove, California, a man with a history of domestic violence and the subject of an active restraining order broke into the home of his ex-girlfriend and stabbed her current boyfriend several times in the chest. The boyfriend survived, but his assailant escaped and, for whatever reason, was never put behind bars.

Five days later, the man returned, kicking in the door and chasing the couple into a room upstairs. This time, though, they were armed with a handgun. The boyfriend fired several shots, more than one of which found home, and the assailant died at the scene.

If ever a man had it coming to him, it was this guy. And if ever a gun-grabbing Democrat should’ve been made to explain to a law-abiding couple why they had no right to possess the handgun that ultimately saved their lives, this would’ve been the time.

This story didn’t make national news — stories like this never do — but the American people would be better off if encounters like these were widely publicized. Were it so, would-be victims would likely be emboldened by the prospect of vigorous self-defense, and would-be assailants would likely think twice before preying upon another person. ..

To be sure, this story out of Garden Grove wasn’t a one-off. Each month, The Daily Signal publishes an article highlighting some of the previous month’s many news stories on defensive gun use nationwide — stories that the mainstream media has no interest in publishing. Stories like the one out of Bolivar, Tennessee, where an armed Domino’s Pizza employee drew his own gun and fatally shot a would-be armed robber. Or this one out of North Philly, where a merchant put a stop to a spate of armed robberies targeting Latino-owned businesses by shooting and wounding a 20-year-old man who’d tried to rob his corner store. Or this one out of Cairo, Georgia, where an elderly woman was awakened in the middle of the night to find several armed intruders. When she confronted them, she was shot, but she returned fire with her own weapon, causing them to flee. Seven suspects were later arrested.
605   Hircus   2022 Jan 19, 6:32pm  

Booger says


Very cool. The image contains all the 3d print schematic files.
606   Patrick   2022 Jan 19, 9:04pm  

That one has my name on it.
607   HeadSet   2022 Jan 20, 6:59am  

Patrick says
That one has my name on it.

It is never good to have a bullet with your name on it!
608   Zak   2022 Jan 20, 9:36am  

One thing I find interesting about the whole argument of "non-military weapons" that 2a restriction people try to say should be excluded:

The amendment states :

"A well regulated militia, being necessary"

then says:

"the right of the people to bear arms"

it doesn't say
"the right of the militia to bear arms"

I don't understand how this isn't interpreted directly as: the people need weapons of war to bring to the fight.

This would seem to blow all these safety restrictions on automatic weapons, destructive devices, etc away. The right to fight wars with deadly weapons was reserved to the people, not to the militia or to the military.. I never see anyone making this argument via saying the amendment doesn't reserve the right to war weapons to the militia...
609   Zak   2022 Jan 20, 9:51am  

Another thought I had was that these laws can only exist with the consent of the governed. One way to combat this stupidity would be as follows:

Machine gun parts are defined as machine guns under federal law. This means if you possess something called an auto sear, you are guilty of having an unregistered machine gun.

An auto sear is a small piece of sheet metal shaped to release the firing pin from the trigger when the bolt closes on an ar-15.

So if you possess one of these small pieces of metal, you own a machine gun, and can be prosecuted..

Ok.. what if we have a 2a freedom event, and someone brings a punch press, and lets everyone come up and make themselves a 3c stamped auto sear. We could have 20,000 people non-violently protest the law, and create themselves a machine gun for .3c per pop. Total cost: $1000 for the stamping die, and $600 of sheet metal. Are they going to create tens of thousands of felons for having a 3c stamped piece of sheet metal?
610   KgK one   2022 Jan 20, 9:26pm  

Imagine if American Indians had guns to defend their land. They carried bows n arrows n got outmatched.. There is a great lesson to be learned from natives.
611   Onvacation   2022 Jan 23, 10:02am  

Zak says
Are they going to create tens of thousands of felons for having a 3c stamped piece of sheet metal?

Yes. Unprosecuted felons.
612   Onvacation   2022 Jan 23, 10:04am  

No since fighting the government over rights. They are our rights until we give them up or the government, or should I say rulers, violently take them.
613   RWSGFY   2022 Jan 23, 10:09am  

KgK one says
Imagine if American Indians had guns to defend their land. They carried bows n arrows n got outmatched.. There is a great lesson to be learned from natives.


They got firearms rather quickly. Still lost because they were divided and thus always outnumbered.

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