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junkmail says

She was ballzy.

It is a very rare woman who can hang in a male dominated conversation like this.
I value the ones that can enormously.

Poor Turtledove. Makes me hurt all over.

She decided to be the den mother for a bunch of reprobate Boy Scouts from Hell.

Ceffer says

She decided to be the den mother for a bunch of reprobate Boy Scouts from Hell.

Damned right She did!

Robert Sproul says

It is a very rare woman who can hang in a male dominated conversation like this.

I value the ones that can enormously.

Was she the only woman here? I'm specifically referring to regulars.

anonymous says

Ellie Mae

has not commented since August, and had been suffering from medical problems for a long time, so I wonder if another memorial post might be appropriate or imminent. We had been PatNet friends, but as she fell deeper into her Stockholm Syndrome, she decided to Ignore me and probably others. I hope she is OK.

There are likely other women here, but they don't dare post as such.

Perhaps the only fair view is the average of all fringe views.

Peter P is sad says

the average of all fringe views.

Seeing more sides of the elephant can add perspective, but averaging reason with delusion does not improve accuracy or fairness. For example, Gary insists that the children who died in Sandy Hook, and their grieving parents, were all actors conspiring to take away Americans' guns. If you start with evidence of what happened, and then "average" in Gary's view, you get further from reality. If the sole priority were inclusiveness, then it might seem more "fair" to give equal time to the delusional view, but time is valuable.

curious2 says

Seeing more sides of the elephant can add perspective, but averaging reason with delusion does not improve accuracy or fairness.

It does, from a game-theory standpoint.

Any statement is an attempt to persuade. A worldview can be construct from asking why certain statements are made and by whom.

Tenpoundbass says

What ever, She has the right to a classy send off, even if She is only Internet dead.

Show some respect.

fuck you - this thread is awkward. the meetup shit was awkward.

seems like somebody posted too much personal information on the internet, and now wants to escape it.

if she really did die, that's surely tragic - but who the fuck would want that news blasted on patrick.net like this? weird.

Proof is in the pudding. A published obit will confirm the event. The Facebook posts seem to have the same effect but are more easily manipulated in case someone's trying to pull an S. R. Haddon.
landtof says

seems like somebody posted too much personal information on the internet, and now wants to escape it.

MrWonderful says

Proof is in the pudding. A published obit will confirm the event. The Facebook posts seem to have the same effect but are more easily manipulated in case someone's trying to pull an S. R. Haddon.

landtof says

seems like somebody posted too much personal information on the internet, and now wants to escape it.

The best proof is Turtledove posting something. I still hope she is injured and not deceased.

Is the claim that to escape a stalker, she and her family fabricated her demise? Sounds a bit hard to believe.

An obit will tell all.

landtof says

having trouble believing that internet user MMR was emailed about it the very next day.

It wasn't the next day, it was 3 days later and I don't know that she was on her deathbed; rather, her husband said that she had discussed the case with him and the accident must have happened within 24-72 hrs of the fall that led to her death.

The conversation with her husband might have happened months earlier as well, but last Friday day was the first time I contacted her and she replied Saturday.

I got a message Tuesday from her husband Tuesday stating that she would have wanted me to contact you(me).

Hope this clarifies any confusion. Sheesh, as if my conversation is the most important thing here

Like I said. It sounds like bullshit.

Does Orange County have an obligation to report deaths? If so, maybe we can simply inquire and confirm it officially, though I feel pretty certain it's unfortunately true.

An unwitnessed accidental death would be throughly investigated. The body would be held until they felt they had obtained all evidence that it might contain.

www.youtube.com/embed/XhAcIuj3o1E

first of all, this is patrick.net

but overall, one normally expects death announcements as straight-to-the-point with details on the arrangements for bereavement/support.

i'm not saying she's alive, but there's some details that don't really feel 100% authentic.

Blurtman says

Is the claim that to escape a stalker

there's so many crazy fucks out there. she was brutally careless with her sharing habits. those are facts.

Was she ever the victim of spousal abuse?
Did her husband know she bared her beasts to the world?

Tenpoundbass says

An unwitnessed accidental death would be throughly investigated. The body would be held until they felt they had obtained all evidence that it might contain.

TD wouldn't have to fake a death. All she would need to do is quit posting and responding forever, and memories would fade.

Even if she did fake a death, all is forgiven as long as she is OK.

MrWonderful says

Did her husband know she bared her beasts to the world?

Yes, she did say her husband took the picture.

Well throw that theory out the window

MrWonderful says

An unwitnessed accidental death would be throughly investigated. The body would be held until they felt they had obtained all evidence that it might contain.

I didn't say that!

If you hit the "quote" link in the post above or below the post with the highlighted text you get the wrong person in the "xxx says" field
@Patrick

Tenpoundbass says

I didn't say that

I know, I'm just stating for the sake of future people reading this thread.

While it would be wonderful to find out that she is actually alive, she isn't. She was never the kind of person who shied away from a fight on any level. Even though it has been several days since her death there are a couple of plausible reasons for the delay in announced arrangements. First of all, her family lives quite a distance away in a few different states. That requires extra coordination. Second, as I mentioned before, most unwitnessed accidents require an investigation. Not necessarily because they are suspicious but to insure it was an accidental death. Please remember that her children can search the internet and find this thread. Please be respectful of them.

Thanks

MrWonderful says

If you hit the "quote" link in the post above or below the post with the highlighted text you get the wrong person in the "xxx says" field

You're right, that's a real bug. Thanks for telling me!

turtledove says

31   turtledove   Nov 12, 12:30pm  â†‘ Like (1)   ↓ Dislike   Quote  

I'm not saying "hapless victim." These people are made of much tougher stuff than I am. You know that when THEY are driven to tears in public, it's baaaaad. To me, I guess it feels a little like heckling a guy on his way to the hangman's noose.

She was right, We all should have more compasion.

Tenpoundbass says

turtledove says

31 turtledove Nov 12, 12:30pm ↑ Like (1) ↓ Dislike Quote

I'm not saying "hapless victim." These people are made of much tougher stuff than I am. You know that when THEY are driven to tears in public, it's baaaaad. To me, I guess it feels a little like heckling a guy on his way to the hangman's noose.

She was right, We all should have more compasion.

You notice I love trolling and I've barely peeped a word in this thread. Turtledove was a cool poster on this site and it wa difficult not to like her. Death or otherwise, I'm sad she's gone, and if she's out there and reads this, good for her. It's none of anyone's business why she does what she does.

anonymous says

Are you suggesting that Ellie Mae is not a woman ?

She is a woman. I'll write her to see if she's OK.

I do think women in general avoid unmoderated forums.

rando says

anonymous says

Are you suggesting that Ellie Mae is not a woman ?

She is a woman. I'll write her to see if she's OK.

I do think women in general avoid unmoderated forums.

Especially with all the 4 letter words that are so commonly used.

anonymous says

her medical problems

Chronic migraines can be incapacitating. I had some as a pre-teen, preceded by blindness and flashes of light, then intense pain on one side of my head, vomiting, for several hours--was prostrated until it was over. Fortunately they didn't follow me into adulthood. They could have been a symptom of something far worse perhaps in her case. The autopsy, as much as I hate the thought of one, will tell.

This thread is a perfect amalgam of Patnet. Heartfelt, irreverent, awkward, some conspiracy, and of course unabashed swearing. I hope TD is looking at this from heaven with a half-scolding, definitely smiling, expression, as Patnetter's unite to remember her.

Hello, everyone. I'm Turtle Dove's stepmother and found this site searching for information. I will gladly let everyone know more information as we receive it. We are in contact with S-I-L and hope to have final arrangements in next couple of days. This is a very sad time for us and after reading all the comments here, we know that she had an amazing group of friends. Thank you for all your kind words. Yes, she was a beautiful woman and will sorely be missed. Please be patient, we will have more details soon. Cynthia

http://www.lesneskimortuary.com/

I will miss you Turtledove. Thank you for your wit, intelligence and courage in representing the women on Patnet. Sympathy for her family and their tremendous loss.