patrick.net

That is correct

#nevercrookedhillary
#geniusunite

Blurtman says

Many of my readers tend to be very progressive, and they have been driven even further in that direction by their sophisticated understanding of the inequities of Wall Street, especially in the run-up to and the aftermath of the financial crisis, when no senior executives went to jail, the biggest banks got bigger, and Hillary paid homage to Goldman Sachs.

It'd be a lot easier to vote for Trump if I had any confidence that he'd do something about it. But I can see the point that you know Hillary won't so at least there's a chance Trump does something.

A good chance of Trump addressing these very important problems is worth far more than the absolute certainty that Hillary would double down on them while taking her corruption to new heights.
It's like Hell having a vote for the position of Overlord and the residents picking Satan over Bob because they aren't sure Bob would be up to terrorizing them properly. That is exactly the situation with Demoncrats choosing Hillary.

I still have trouble figuring out who all the Hillary voters are. I'm not sure I've come across one person this entire cycle, who was firmly in support of Clinton. I know a lot of people and I'm not afraid to chop it up with some politics.

I guess it's possible that i just don't associate with the kind of piece of shit that votes for Hillary.

Quigley says

A good chance of Trump addressing these very important problems

Is there any evidence that Trump would actually confront Wall Street and the banks?

He has proposed scrapping Dodd-Frank, which was the one actual reform to arise out of 2008. He is arranging to be reimbursed much of his "self-funded" campaign - I wonder where the money for that reimbursement will come from?

errc says

I guess it's possible that i just don't associate with the kind of piece of shit that votes for Hillary.

I'd love to vote for Bernie in the general election, and did not support Hillary in the primary here.

Unfortunately, she has 55% of the primary vote, far more delegates, and will lock up the nomination in a week or two: do we give the nomination to Sanders anyway because he seems like such a good guy? Something like "No Bernie left behind?"

I also happen to believe that the Republican nominee is a fairly good approximation to Mussolini.

Should I support imaginary candidates for the sake of spiritual purity?

and will lock up the nomination in a week or two

That's a lie, to the pants on fire degree.

Neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates prior to the convention. The superdelegates cannot vote until the convention, and at that point their decision will be, is this process in place for a reason, or not?

errc says

I still have trouble figuring out who all the Hillary voters are

It includes the demographics that Hillary claims Trump U. defrauded - the elderly and the low-bandwidth. Poor, aware folks are going Bernie. African-American church ladies are going Hillary. The fucked over working class are going Trump or Bernie.

"Why Some of the Smartest Progressives I Know Will Vote for Trump over Hillary"

Translation: “I don't know any smart progressives"

Blurtman says

Why Some of the Smartest Progressives I Know Will Vote for Trump over Hillary

Are they as racist as you are ?

errc says

I guess it's possible that i just don't associate with the kind of piece of shit that votes for Hillary.

It's your IQ of 150 that steers you clear of them.

marcus says

Are they as racist as you are ?

Marcus, you really don't get it.

Blurtman says

It includes the demographics that Hillary claims Trump U. defrauded - the elderly and the low-bandwidth. Poor, aware folks are going Bernie. African-American church ladies are going Hillary. The fucked over working class are going Trump or Bernie.

Brilliant analysis. Every generalization is accurate to the T.

tr6 says

marcus says

Are they as racist as you are ?

Marcus, you really don't get it.

I get that every post of blurtman's has something to do with race or ethnicity. It's his way of not being a racist. I guess in a world that is so politically messed up as ours is with respect to race, and because all the PC bullshit , it takes someone like Blurtman to obsess about race and ethnicity (on our behalf) so as to straighten the rest of us out on this.

He's not racist. He's just sort of a sociologist with a specialization in analyzing the quirks of modern politics and culture, as they pertain to race and ethnicity.

marcus says

Are they as racist as you are ?

Prove it or shut up already.

tr6 says

Marcus, you really don't get it.

What don't I get ?

Is it how it takes someone with zero experience in government to be effective in government ?

Or is it that I don't understand how Trump is going to do any (let alone all) of the things he claims he will ?

Examples:

1) Put China in their place.

2) Bring good high paying jobs to Americans.

3) Funniest one: Build a wall to prevent immigration which is currently a net out of the country back to Mexico.

4) He's going to make us win so much we're going to get tired of winning.

5) He's going to undo Obama care and replace it with something better.

6) He's going to make a lot of great deals, because he wrote "the art of the deal" and he knows how to walk away when the deal isn't good enough.

Are you really favoring one of these guys?

HydroCabron says

I also happen to believe that the Republican nominee is a fairly good approximation to Mussolini.

Is that why the neocon vote is going to hillary and the progressive vote is going to trump?

this thread is a microcosm of Trump supporters: delusional bunch of losers and dumbfucks.

marcus says

What don't I get ?

What you don't get is progressives are voting against Hillary, not for Trump.

bob2356 says

Is that why the neocon vote is going to hillary and the progressive vote is going to trump?

By non-neocon progressive, you mean Sheldon Adelson?

Why people believe the myth that neocons don't like Trump's policies?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sheldon-adelson-i-endorse-donald-trump-for-president/2016/05/12/ea89d7f0-17a0-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html

Ironman says

marcus says

What don't I get ?

Is it how it takes someone with zero experience in government to be effective in government ?

How did all of Obama's "experience" work out these last 7 years?

well, given that he came in to an economy losing 500000 jobs a month, and now we are at 7.5 years of jobs growth, he came in to 10+ percent unemployment and as of today it is 4.7%, given the dow jones tripled, we killed osama bin laden which bush couldn't do and didn't care about, we saved general motors...
And the terrible slide of the US in world eyes has been reversed...

to everyone who isn't a racist loser asshole like you, it's worked out pretty well.

For me, I made 3 million dollars during these years... YOu? still a bottoms sucking bitter piece of shit.

errc says

I still have trouble figuring out who all the Hillary voters are

Welfare jigs, poor mexicans, uninformed women and the girly men whose nutsacks are carried by them.

komputodo says

uninformed women and the girly men whose nutsacks are carried by them.

nice.
my preferred nomenclature is "yoga mommy and soft male"
both of them CUNTS!

gsr says

By non-neocon progressive, you mean Sheldon Adelson?

I think he means Bill Kristol, George Will, Charles Krauthammer, the Kagans, Max Boot, and many other big neocon pundits.

Some of the Nicest Boobed Progressives I know may vote for Trump over Hillary:
Susan Sarandon: Clinton ‘more dangerous’ than Trump

Actress Susan Sarandon says Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy makes her a greater national security risk than Donald Trump, adding that it's "inevitable" the White House hopeful will be indicted.

“I believe in a way she’s more dangerous, except they’re both talking to Henry Kissinger apparently lately,” Sarandon told The Young Turks on Thursday.

“Her record — I mean, she did not learn a thing from Iraq. She is an interventionist. She’s done horrible things, horrible things, and very callously," she added.

“I don’t know if she’s overcompensating or what her trip is. I think we’ll be in Iran in two seconds. That scares me. That frightens me.”

Sarandon, who supports Bernie Sanders for president, said Trump’s ideas are too implausible to be dangerous.

“This is what we’re fed — ‘he’s so dangerous, he’s so dangerous,’ ” she said. "Seriously, I’m not worried about a wall being built and Mexico paying for it.

“He’s not going to get rid of every Muslim living in this country. Has he made it the norm to be racist and vent these kinds of things? Yes. But seriously, I don’t know what his policies are."

On the other hand, Sarandon said, Clinton's record on foreign policy is cause for alarm.

“I do know what her policies are. I do know where she’s taking money from. And I do know that she’s not transparent and I know that nobody calls her on it.”

Sarandon predicted in a separate interview that Clinton will ultimately face indictment for her use of a private email server while secretary of State.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/282143-susan-sarandon-clinton-more-dangerous-than-trump

thunderlips11 says

gsr says

By non-neocon progressive, you mean Sheldon Adelson?

I think he means Bill Kristol, George Will, Charles Krauthammer, the Kagans, Max Boot, and many other big neocon pundits

You do realize this is a game. Like Dick Cheney, Sheldon Adelson, they will all line up to support Trump at the end. Have you watched his groveling speech at AIPAC? Also, in what aspect Trump's policy differs from them? Perhaps, Trump wants to do more torture and kill more people?

Like every other Trump fan, you think Trump has a secret deal with you personally. He will protect your welfare and block immigration, and it does not matter what else he will do as long as those two are satisfied. The reality is that even Trump does not what he will do if he ever becomes the president. He has been walking on a fine rope of courting multiple groups of various agendas. In that respect, he is just like any other politician. Of course, he learned directly from them.

gsr says

bob2356 says

Is that why the neocon vote is going to hillary and the progressive vote is going to trump?

By non-neocon progressive, you mean Sheldon Adelson?

Huh? Sheldon Adelson as a neocon? WTF? As far as I know the only thing he wants to go to war against is pot.

thunderlips11 says

I think he means Bill Kristol, George Will, Charles Krauthammer, the Kagans, Max Boot, and many other big neocon pundits.

Yep, those guys. The ones who never saw a war the didn't love. Along with the neocon admirers of hillary when she was sec of state like Richard Perle, George Schultz, Noemie Emery. Lindsey Graham, Jim Inhofe, Condoleezza Rice, and all the rest of the usual suspects. None of whom have endorsed Trump. Some may hold their noses and endorse him eventually, but they really, really won't like it. Hell, even Darth Cheney, the neocon’s neocon, said Hillary was the most competent person in the Obama administration.

gsr says

Have you watched his groveling speech at AIPAC?

Did you see Hillary's speech at AIPAC? She sounded like Cheney on steroids. The real irony is most of what she complains about in the middle east was caused by policies she supported or was involved in making.

bob2356 says

Huh? Sheldon Adelson as a neocon? WTF? As far as I know the only thing he wants to go to war against is pot.

Really???? Which world do you live in?
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Adelson-US-should-drop-atomic-bomb-on-Iran-329641

www.youtube.com/embed/6sCW4IasWXc

bob2356 says

Have you watched his groveling speech at AIPAC?

Did you see Hillary's speech at AIPAC? She sounded like Cheney on steroids. The real irony is most of what she complains about in the middle east was caused by policies she supported or was involved in making.

So it is ok for Trump to grovel to AIPAC since Hillary does it too? Talking about Cheney, you do know that Cheney has already endorsed Trump.

gsr says

Like every other Trump fan, you think Trump has a secret deal with you personally. He will protect your welfare and block immigration, and it does not matter what else he will do as long as those two are satisfied. The reality is that even Trump does not what he will do if he ever becomes the president. He has been walking on a fine rope of courting multiple groups of various agendas. In that respect, he is just like any other politician. Of course, he learned directly from them.

Whereas Hillary is openly for more immigration, more bad trade deals, etc.

She may drop in a line or two about 'reviewing' or 'changing it later', but she is in favor of all these things because her donors are.

Adelson's money is from gaming; what the price of tea/tariffs are in China is of little concern to him. It's a big deal to Waltons and Silly Con Valley.

Again, with Clinton I know what I'm going to get. With Trump, there's a chance I might get action of my most important issues. With Hillary, it's only a question of whether the number of H1-Bs doubles or triples, and whether a whole new set of low wage Asian subcontractors can export back to the US at minimal to no tariffs.

I won't even mention the US subsidy of the military expenses of the 4th Reich-by-other-means aka Greater Germany, aka the EU.

tr6 says

marcus says

What don't I get ?

What you don't get is progressives are voting against Hillary, not for Trump.

But a vote against Hillary will be a vote for Trump.

thunderlips11 says

Whereas Hillary is openly for more immigration, more bad trade deals, etc.

Exactly. Like I said, you are pro tump for those two reasons only. Trump has used the right dog whistle to attract your attention. He has used another one to attract Sheldon Adelson. He has played it well so far as a politician.

In short, Trump is a complete antithesis to the cause of civil liberties. But for you everything is good as long as immigration he stops immigration and bring national socialism.

I hope the CA dems take a good hard look at riots-where expression of thought and speech is met with violence and bloodshed. Once these Mexican la raza thugs and the stupid fringe left is done with the few conservative voters left in CA-you think they will stop?? No they are like wolves that have tasted blood and will come after the 1% -which will suddenly be the 20% or the 30%.

They wave Mexican flags and burn American flags-basically declaring CA is Mexico and the traitor Obama along with the San Jose Mayor and the dems support La raza. Have fun in your future hellhole-when these emboldened La Raza freaks come for you next. You know the police won't do anything. Try taking a trip down to mexico in drug cartel territory and go for a hike and see a taste of your future.

gsr says

Really???? Which world do you live in?

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Adelson-US-should-drop-atomic-bomb-on-Iran-329641

and the next day his people were out doing massive spinning that the comment was hyperbole to show the double standard people have with Isreal. Show me anything else other than that one comment where he has said the US should take military action. He's big on supporting and defending Israel, but I've never heard of him advocating any kind of war. He was a democrat for years and switched to republican for tax issues. I heard him give a keynote speech at Comdex (which he started) in the early 80's. Very good speaker.

Isreali supporter yes. Neocon, not even close.

bob2356 says

Show me anything else other than that one comment where he has said the US should take military action

So dropping nuclear weapon is no big deal to you? Even McCain never mentioned that. He was a big time Marco Rubio supporter during the early days of the primary. In addition, he is a huge crony capitalist who wants to ban online gambling.

In another news, Trump holds a private meeting with Karl Rove.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/03/us/politics/karl-rove-donald-trump.html?_r=0

gsr says

So dropping nuclear weapon is no big deal to you?

Reading comprehension problems? I said Adelson couldn't be considered a neocon by a long stretch, not that he didn't say something stupid he has been trying to spin ever since. Neocons, like good old fashioned conservative war hawks, believe the first and only option for foreign policy is military intervention. Adelson has never advocated that. How exactly is throwing money at Marco Rubio and banning online gambling advocating war? I don't see the connection at all.

What does Karl Rove meeting with Trump have to do with anything? Just because they hate each other doesn't mean Trump won't use Rove's money expertise and Rove would sell his mother into white slavery to be relevant again. What does this have to do with advocating war? Relevance is what?

bob2356 says

? I said Adelson couldn't be considered a neocon by a long stretch, not that he didn't say something stupid he has been trying to spin ever since. Neocons, like good old fashioned conservative war hawks, believe the first and only option for foreign policy is military intervention.

"
A group of Palestinians and Palestinian Americans are seeking $34.5 billion dollars in damages from wealthy individuals and companies they accuse of financing and profiting from Israel’s settlements in the occupied West Bank and other abuses of their rights."
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/palestinians-sue-billionaire-sheldon-adelson-israeli-war-crimes

bob2356 says

I said Adelson couldn't be considered a neocon by a long stretch, not that he didn't say something stupid he has been trying to spin ever since. Neocons, like good old fashioned conservative war hawks, believe the first and only option for foreign policy is military interventio

You can defend Trump all you want. But please don't say Neoconservatives are worse. Trump is one of them, like Adelson, Rudy Guliani, Newt Gingrich.

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2016/06/03/donald-trumps-wingman-sen-tom-cotton

But Trump had a wingman in U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton. He took quickly and multiple times to social media in what seemed obvious responses to news about Clinton's speech with denunciations of Hillary Clinton on foreign policy. Angling still for a spot on the Trump ticket? He'd certainly be ready to mix it up on this ticket where Trump is not, though the talking points are familiar to any Fox viewer. Benghazi, Iran nuclear deal, e-mail.

#triggerhappy

gsr says

You can defend Trump all you want. But please don't say Neoconservatives are worse. Trump is one of them, like Adelson, Rudy Guliani, Newt Gingrich.

I haven't defended trump at all, are you reading someone elses posts? Anyway, I get it now. You don't have the vaguest clue what the terms neocon or war hawk means, never mind who they are.