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Marcus, stop being a pathetic loser.

Just say the truth, the Ivy colleges are about connections, not education. Just do it!

If a person gets a 95% average at UIUC, he's still a loser state u graduate. Nothing will change that fact! The world of business doesn't care about merit. Ok! It's not about education!

Let me explain, there are two Marcus's in the world.

The first says, 'Oh, it's so great that you got into Harvard. You're amazing, you'll change the world, the average state u grad will fall on their knees over you. Wow, you must be a genius!'

The above is the loser Marcus.

But then, there's the winner version of Marcus...

'Oh, it's great that you got into Harvard. In a short time, you'll be meeting alumni and recruiters, from financial services and management consulting firms. Since they'll put you into the consideration list, long before those *other grads* from Univ of Illinois, if you play the game right, you should be in line for first round interviews. This may open the doors so that in the future, Hank Paulson may recruit you into his private equity firm.'

Do you see the difference in the above perspectives? The first is a bozo, cultural b*tch and the second, a more pragmatic advisor for students.

Hey Dan, MMR, or Thunderlips11, it's obvious that Marcus's unconscious mind was too exposed by this topic. Do you have anything to add to the subject matter?

Oh jeez get over it.
There's always gonna be somebody who got it better.
Life's not fair.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Life's not fair.

That's not the point. The point is that educators like Marcus insist that life is fair ... 'just study hard and you'll be some Ivy League alumni with the same opportunities as Al Gore'.

This is known as an educator's *Stockholm Syndrome* where they're enamored by the lies of the educational system. Instead of recognizing that Ivies are for connections and playing the game, they insist that somehow, it's the knowledge which counts, along with the fact that many of their middle class attendants have high GPAs.

Rin says

Just say the truth, the Ivy colleges are about connections, not education. Just do it!

The best and brightest go to Ivy leagues. They go for the education.

Strategist says

The best and brightest go to Ivy leagues. They go for the education.

Bullshit, my senior partner was dean's list, both Penn and Columbia.

When he did his Masters of Law (LLM) at the Univ of London on-campus (UCL branch) he was second class honours, 2:2. And thus, he's not the best and the brightest. He had the benefit of grade inflation for his two US-based educational programs but got roasted, when posted up against the British Commonwealth, where ppl earns their grades.

Just so you know, here's how it goes...

1st class honours UK = A average in USA
2nd class honours, upper half (2:1) = B+/A- average in USA
2nd class honours, lower half (2:2) = B average in USA

In other words, Ivies are overrated.

Rin says

Strategist says

The best and brightest go to Ivy leagues. They go for the education.

Bullshit, my senior partner was dean's list, both Penn and Columbia.

When he did his Masters of Law (LLM) at the Univ of London on-campus (UCL branch) he was second class honours, 2:2. And thus, he's not the best and the brightest. He had the benefit of grade inflation for his two US-based educational programs but got roasted, when up against the British Commonwealth, where ppl earns their grades.

That's what the SAT's. GRE's, GMAT's. MCAT's and LSAT's are for........to compensate for any grade inflation.

Rin says

In other words, Ivies are overrated.

A close relative of mine was accepted in every Ivy League he applied to. I have never met a more intelligent person than him. There is nothing intellectual that he cannot handle.

Strategist says

That's what the SAT's. GRE's, GMAT's. MCAT's and LSAT's are for........to compensate for any grade inflation.

Wrong, I knew kids from the Ivies, 3.6 GPAs and above, who didn't need to get 175s on their LSATs for Ivy law admissions.

In contrast, whenever I'd met a person from the regular school, who gains admittance to let's say Columbia to Harvard, they all seem to have 175+.

The so-called storyline is a lie. The Ivies inflate grades whereas regular ppl need to compete on merit. It's a double standard out there.

Otherwise, my senior partner would have gotten 1st class honours at London. He didn't and in fact, didn't come close.

Strategist says

I have never met a more intelligent person than him.

I have a friend, who'd graduated first class honours at London from South Africa. I'm sure he could kick his ass.

Rin says

Wrong, I knew kids from the Ivies, 3.6 GPAs and above, who didn't need to get 175s on their LSATs for Ivy law admissions.

OK...here is a question? Are you gonna get a better education at an Ivy League, competing with the best and the brightest, or at some place no one has ever heard of, where most students drop out?

Rin says

And now, the graduate of the Univ of Illinois/UC is suppose to fall on his knees and worship these assholes. Isn't that what you really advocate

No, this is all about your issues.

My only issue here has been a willingness to engage you in conversation, and to share a (small pieces of) a high school teachers perspective, upon which you project mountains of your own bullshit.

OF course it is possible to conclude that Ivies are over rated. It's also quite natural for a high school teacher to be extremely happy for a student of his who is accepted or even better still earns a full scholarship to an IVY league school.

Strategist says

OK...here is a question? Are you gonna get a better education at an Ivy League, competing with the best and the brightest, or at some place no one has ever heard of, where most students drop out?

I already took two classes during the day at Harvard College, as a special student, and had gotten A's in them, BFD!

Rin says

Do you see the difference in the above perspectives? The first is a bozo, cultural b*tch and the second, a more pragmatic advisor for students.

Whatever man. Consider therapy. Or perhaps a trip to Toronto or wherever it is you go.

marcus says

No, this is all about your issues.

Are you sure that others, who'd worked in corporate America, and have seen Ivy crony clubs, express a similar insight?

I'm just talking about 'em on PatNet.

Rin says

Strategist says

I have never met a more intelligent person than him.

I have a friend, who'd graduated first class honours at London from South Africa. I'm sure he could kick his ass.

When I was searching for a doctor for my son's shoulder I narrowed down the list by:
Ivy Leagues
10 to 25 years experience
Highly acclaimed by their peers.
I ended up picking a doctor from Iran, and I was impressed and glad.

Rin says

I already took two classes during the day at Harvard College, as a special student, and had gotten A's in them, BFD!

I would have been lucky to get D- :(

Strategist says

I would have been lucky to get D- :(

Not true, you would have gotten a C-. Otherwise, how would an idiot like Al Gore get through the system? Realize, Gore never did any work in his life.

It's more likely that you'd get a D- from let's say Univ of Illinois than Harvard.

Rin says

Realize, Gore never did any work in his life.

For those who don't know the story, after Harvard, when future VP Al Gore Jr was attending Vanderbilt Law, he'd flunked his first year finals.

The dean of the law school spoke with his father, Senator Al Gore Sr, and told him that the school would *pass* junior, if he did a term paper. Gore, being the stupid and lazy schmuck that he was, didn't even do that and thus, he's a law school drop out/flunky.

Rin says

Strategist says

I would have been lucky to get D- :(

Not true, you would have gotten a C-. Otherwise, how would an idiot like Al Gore get through the system? Realize, Gore never did any work in his life.

It's more likely that you'd get a D- from let's say Univ of Illinois than Harvard.

he he he.
What about Bush? Using him as an example would be more convincing.

Strategist says

What about Bush?

Bush had already been skewered. In contrast, Gore and Kerry have gotten away scot free.

Seriously, aside from let's say Richard Nixon or Slick Willy, many of these politicians are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Ok, I'd forgotten Carter, he was a Navy Nuclear engineer.

Rin says

Ok, I'd forgotten Carter, he was a Navy Nuclear engineer.

He was the worst President ever.

Rin says

Seriously, aside from let's say Richard Nixon or Slick Willy, many of these politicians are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Nixon and Slick Willy were good Presidents. Carter should have been a Nun.

I never got the fascination with Nuclear engineers. I mean you never hear anyone say, "It's not Refrigeration repair.".
How hard could it be? It's a limited club because material and suitable labs are hard to come by.
Besides I bet with the right equipment it isn't any harder than loading and setting a bread machine. Set it and forget it.
When the equipment breaks down, the Nuclear scientist has to leave the area, his job there is through. It's the cleaners responsibility now.

The guy who build their gear, put a camera in his face, he's the freaking genius here!

Here's a clip of how Jimmy Carter, when he was in the Navy, had dealt with a nuclear meltdown in Canada

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/jimmy-neutron-ex-president-carter-recalls-role-in-chalk-river-meltdown/article614379/

---He described how as a young naval officer, he worked on the secret nuclear program. He was part of a team dispatched to Chalk River to help dismantle the "very highly radioactive core" of the reactor after its partial meltdown.

An exact model of the reactor was set up on a tennis court, he recalled. And the team members, dressed in their protective suits and armed with wrenches and vice-grips, had only 90 seconds to rush in and "take off as many nuts and bolts as we could …"

Practice soon made perfect - and they were ready to work on the real thing.

"Then we went down below into the reactor room," recalled Mr. Carter. "We dashed on the site there and, in a highly radioactive environment, did our job. I had radioactive urine for six months and I thought I would never have another child but Amy came later."---

Now tell me ... how does Al Gore compare with the above?

Marcus, high schools do a horrible disservice pushing elite schools on kids. Are you in SoCal? Then you know better: largesse of the California Taxpayer provides a great value community college education, then transfer.
Shame!

B.A.C.A.H. says

Marcus, high schools do a horrible disservice pushing elite schools on kids.

There's nothing wrong with pushing the truth about elite schools .... 'Hey Johnnie, now that you'd gotten into Harvard/Yale/P'ton, have you considered joining the finance or trading clubs on campus. There, you'll meet ppl, whose parents/relatives have worked for mutual funds, the bulge bracket, hedge funds, or private equity firms. And then, as you're approaching your sopho/junior summer, you may get an internship there and then, be on the road to getting recruited via graduation.'

You see, the above is a far more honest assessment than the usual tripe about education and all that jazz.

Rin says

There's nothing wrong with pushing the truth about elite schools .... 'Hey Johnnie, now that you'd gotten into Harvard/Yale/P'ton, have you considered joining the finance or trading clubs on campus. There, you'll meet ppl, whose parents/relatives have worked for mutual funds, the bulge bracket, hedge funds, or private equity firms. And then, as you're approaching your sopho/junior summer, you may get an internship there and then, be on the road to getting recruited via graduation.'

You see, the above is a far more honest assessment than the usual tripe about education and all that jazz.

That's because employers prefer Ivy League graduates.

Strategist says

That's because employers prefer Ivy League graduates.

Read: The Clubhouse effect ... in other words, we don't want no stinking Univ of Maryland, SUNY, etc, middle class types, influencing the clique.

Seriously Strategist, when were you born?

Rin says

Strategist says

That's because employers prefer Ivy League graduates.

Read: The Clubhouse effect ... in other words, we don't want no stinking Univ of Maryland, SUNY, etc, middle class types, influencing the clique.

Seriously Strategist, when were you born?

They want people from the "stinking" universities too, but at lower pay scales.

Strategist says

lower pay scales

You've got the lower pay scales right!