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The scariest thing about Ebola is the fear itself. To be fair, I think Obama has been quite reasonable in handling this crisis.

Peter P says

I think Obama has been quite reasonable in handling this crisis.

If he had a proven track record of sensibility, then I could go along with that.
He's been wrong about pretty much every damn thing, so that makes this not only scary but dangerous as well.

If it were a disease from a European country, you can be sure that Obama would quarantine them in a second.

dodgerfanjohn says

Is it because the election is coming up next week?

One of the more ridiculous things you (or is Rush ?) has ever come up with.

How would that work ? Democrats are going to get pissed because Obama's overdoing the whole safety thing, and not vote for democrats, because why ?

If anything, if he did quarantine them that would be political, because it would probably please more people that are moderates but paranoid about ebola, than it would disappoint people all that much that think it's going too far.

He's probably listening to a lot of experts and making an objective and informed decision.

Call it Crazy says

He's not opposed to everyone, just our military who served over there. They're the ONLY ones being forcefully quarantined by him.

See a pattern yet?

Not to be outdone,...CIC weighs in.

He only quarantines Republicans and white people, then sets Michelle loose on them with her trusty euthanasia pitchfork.

The Fox news crew is being rounded up for quarantine as we speak.

It's over 21 days since the dallas ebola guy died and both the nurses are recovered and ebola free. Will the usual cast of hand wringers and end of the worlders explain where is my pandemic in dallas. They promised a pandemic, I expected a pandemic. I feel cheated and used.

Why haven't they posted about this? They posted and posted and posted about exposure, epidemics and pandemics in dallas. Shouldn't the total disappearence of ebola in dallas get equal time? Was dallas just the victim of some cheap and meaningless patnet posting version of a one night stand? Used and cast aside like a nameless lover in the night? This is so tawdry. The cruelty.

Call it Crazy says

humanity says

He's probably listening to a lot of experts and making an objective and informed decision.

OK Brainiac.... Answer this question... Let's see how the liberal mind works..

Why is he quarantining military people who were building medical units and infrastructure and not treating sick people, but he's NOT quarantining doctors and nurses who HAD direct contact with infected patients?

I don't know. Could it have something to do with the fact that in the case of the quarantining of Military people, they were sent by the President, and they are military personnel, that can very easily and fairly naturally be kept together and on military base for 3 weeks ? Asking them to do this (insisting they do) is fairly simple and not an infringement of their rights, because it's understood that the military often defines duties such as a location soldiers are at or what they are tasked with doing for periods of time.

The volunteers went voluntarily, and are using full protective gear for which there is a very well known low probability of being infected, but there is a risk. And therefore unlike that one guy that came back to New York, most will probably be requested to self quarantine, or the organization they are with will quarantine them somewhat. It's just that the federal government is not imposing laws that infringe on their rights.

Also in the case of the military, it was the joint chiefs who recommended it. It's an easy step for the military which has absolutely no legal implications regarding the rights of those personnel. With the military quarantining, there is no new law or laws involved, it's simply the way their assignment is defined.

"Let's see how the liberal mind works."

I'm not that much of a liberal. I'm just a politically moderate person that's not looking for irrational reasons to hate Obama, so I can look at something like this in an unemotional and objective way.

It's really quite nice (relatively speaking). I feel sorry for you.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/article/ebola-quarantine-can-undermine-efforts-curb-epidemic

Medical science has demonstrated that asymptomatic people with Ebola infection do not transmit the virus. Ebola is also not an airborne virus, like cold or flu viruses. It is only transmitted through direct contact with an infected, symptomatic person’s body fluids, such as blood, vomit, and feces.

MSF protocols governing returned health workers are based upon the guidelines of international health agencies, notably the World Health Organization and the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC), and they have been followed rigorously. Their effectiveness was apparent last week in New York, when MSF aid worker Dr. Craig Spencer immediately reported the onset of fever symptoms, setting into motion his secure transfer to Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan, where he is receiving comprehensive treatment.

Also, maybe it's believed that the kind of person that volunteers for that work, knows the risks and fully understands the implications being out and around when symptomatic with ebola, and is therefore going to admit themselves to a hospital at the first sign of symptoms (which is when it becomes contagious), whereas with military personal this would not be nearly as easy to count on. (not to suggest that the military people are idiots. But some may be).

Last but not least, the military people are paid for doing nothing during those 3 weeks they are quarantined. The Doctors without borders people are paid a minimal amount to cover a little more than school loan interest, but that's just for the time they are over on a mission.

I understand you feeling cheated and used, but I don't get the 'pandemic' angle...
bob2356 says

I expected a pandemic. I feel cheated and used.

SoftShell says

I understand you feeling cheated and used, but I don't get the 'pandemic' angle...

bob2356 says

I expected a pandemic. I feel cheated and used.

Ebola in dallas was supposed to be the end of the world. I read it right here on patnet. Exponential growth I was told. I feel cheated. Where's my pandemic?

marcus says

I'm not that much of a liberal. I'm just a politically moderate person that's not looking for irrational reasons to hate Obama, so I can look at something like this in an unemotional and objective way.

Wow. So not only are you a racist hypocrite, but your're also self delusional.

dodgerfanjohn says

However, potential ebola carriers seem to have a very strong disposition towards being dishonest.

I think this is both an important point, but not expressed the right way. I believe that potential ebola carriers have a very strong disposition towards not wanting to consider they may have a deadly disease. Not unlike a realtor having a hard time grasping that housing prices could fall and cause the market to seize up.

This is why I believe that mandatory quarantines are a good idea. It's not that a returning health care provider will be dishonest, but instead in denial. We're talking about individuals who were willing to take risks and make sacrifices for total strangers on the other side of the world. You'd think a little extra sacrifice for their family and friends wouldn't be too much to expect. Perhaps a 3 week govt paid isolation vacation is in order.

dodgerfanjohn says

marcus says

I'm not that much of a liberal. I'm just a politically moderate person that's not looking for irrational reasons to hate Obama, so I can look at something like this in an unemotional and objective way.

Wow. So not only are you a racist hypocrite, but your're also self delusional.

I get it. This country has changed so much in the last 40 years, that you Rushbot, Fox News watching right wing dimbulbs don't even know what liberal even means anymore.

You guys are so clueless that you have no recollection of what this country was like 40 years ago, when the republican party had more real liberals in it than the democrats do today.

THe right wing media complex has done it's job very well.

I noticed that you didn't comment on any other part of my answer to CIC which was demonstrating I'm correct about this: "I can look at something like this in an unemotional and objective way."

Better?

Howdy There says

I think this is both an important point, but not expressed the right way

Call it Crazy says

marcus says

I'm just a politically moderate person that's not looking for irrational reasons to hate Obama, so I can look at something like this in an unemotional and objective way.

Right... an "unemotional and objective way".... Then this:

marcus says

I get it. This country has changed so much in the last 40 years, that you Rushbot, Fox News watching right wing dimbulbs don't even know what liberal even means anymore.

That was my response to being called a racist hypocrite and a delusional. IT wasn't part of my answer to youer question. Which I will have to assume you agree is objective and unemotional.

1145135">Call it Crazy says

OK Brainiac.... Answer this question... Let's see how the liberal mind works..

Why is he quarantining military people who were building medical units and infrastructure and not treating sick people, but he's NOT quarantining doctors and nurses who HAD direct contact with infected patients?

Since neither of you had anything to say about my actual response to the question, I'll have to assume you now understand how gullible you are to have fallen for the right wing fear tactics.

OR should I assume you know those fear tactics are based on stupidity and dishonest fear mongering, but you're happy to spread the propaganda if you think it will get more republican votes out ?