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At this point it doesn't matter what they do, they'll never see another penny of mine.

CaptainShuddup says

At this point it doesn't matter what they do, they'll never see another penny of mine.

yep, make crap overpriced software using foreign labor, make sure alternatives are not market viable including FREE alternative. Gotta love microsoft.

The Original Bankster says

Microsoft wants immigration reform to bring in foreign workers

They just laid off thousands and thousands of workers.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2014/07/20/microsoft-layoffs-also-impact-thousands-of-contractors/

Why not hire the people they laid off back?

New Deal America: Company temporarily lays off in a slump, rehires workers a few months later, often pays half their wages for a time.

Great Immoderation Free Traitor America: Company lays of thousands of workers, also cuts employment via local contractors, then insists on getting visas to import countless foreigners just a few weeks later.

ya this is new thunderlips?

how many times have I said on here that they are gutting the american labor force. It's working for many reasons one is enough people dont consider themselves to be working people, instead they are chicken little capitalists aka Patnet retards.

Well yeah.

Most Americans don't understand what Middle Class means.

To be Middle Class, it means own enough *PRODUCTIVE ASSETS* that you can live at or somewhat above the poverty level WITHOUT working for a living and WITHOUT Unemployment benefits.

If you need to work to pay your essential housing, heating, etc. bills, you are not Middle Class. If you can't live indefinitely without working, however poorly, you ain't Middle Class.

To be middle class, you must be independent of wage employment by others.

Most Americans wouldn't become middle class until they turned 65.

Americans are mostly working class, they could not survive without employer derived income for any decent length of time.

From the article ...

but it's in the United States where most of the company's innovation takes place

Ok, that's it, Microsoft and innovation are an oxymoron. Worker bee at MS equals Ballmer's b*tch and nothing else. Sure, there's a new chief in town but as Roger Daltrey once said, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

thunderlips11 says

To be middle class, you must be independent of wage employment by others.

I thought that that was the lower rich? Much of the middle class was always a wage slave, even during the good olde days.

We should worry about 98% of job loss not 2% in IT.
In general when there is a manufacturing company, of 5000 people, there are about 50 IT employees. If we bring back Manufacturing from China and Mexico we will have tons of new jobs.

Obviously IT folks are chatting online and complaining so it feels like all IT jobs are going but truly its a lagging indicator.
IT jobs are going after Manufacturing jobs left. There are 11,000 companies who moved to china. Most of manufacturing people are less internet savee and don't complain online as much as IT.

Microsoft wants immigration reform to bring in foreign workers
By Matt Markovich Published: Sep 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM PDT Last Updated: Sep 14, 2012 at 5:25 PM PDT

Rin says

I thought that that was the lower rich? Much of the middle class was always a wage slave, even during the good olde days.

I thought it was about the means of production.

If you hang out your own shingle (lawyer, doctor, dentist), or own productive assets (could be ice cream machines, being a landlord, garage and mechanic tools, whatever) you're middle class. I suppose you could also live off dividends, interest, etc.

If you are utterly dependent on wage/salary employment, you're not middle class or rich, but working class. Even if you're 25 and have $50,000 in an IRA and drive a beamer, even if you own a home free and clear, you ain't middle class because you can't survive without working for somebody else - if you don't own the means of your own production.

thunderlips11 says

If you are utterly dependent on wage/salary employment, you're not middle class or rich, but working class.

By that definition I'd say that the top 1% have a good stab at being non-dependent on wage/employment sooner or later if they don't live a too lavish lifestyle. If you make smart strategic investments, you can maybe pull it off as a top 5%er in your 40s. If you have no kids (wife), then likely sooner. Looking bleak ;)

corntrollio says

Microsoft wants immigration reform to bring in foreign workers

By Matt Markovich Published: Sep 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM PDT Last Updated: Sep 14, 2012 at 5:25 PM PDT

Good point. This subject is almost two years old, why is it being posted here now?

Apple hires lots of Indians. One third? Why so many?
http://www.opptrends.com/2014/07/one-third-of-apple-inc-aapl-engineers-are-indian-report/

Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) has quickly climbed the ladder of success and Indian engineers have played an important role in taking it to the heights much coveted by many tech companies, according to a report from the Times of India. As per the latest estimates, engineers from India make one-third of the total engineering staff-strength of the $171 billion company and IT vendors from India handle a large proportion of the company’s enterprise software, service and support work, which is also growing rapidly.

Isn't that funny. This is one area where repubs and dems seem to agree in a bipartisan fashion and yet politicians of all stripes support offshoring even more jobs...