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I assume I’m the one sharing the bad advice. I’m healthy weight, 47, and on no prescriptions. I see a doctor lately for an at work injury.

Shaman says

I assume I’m the one sharing the bad advice. I’m healthy weight, 47, and on no prescriptions. I see a doctor lately for an at work injury.

Pretty much the same here. You can commend yourself on a healthy lifestyle, but there's also a genetic component of course. Btw. here is what some of the longest living people on earth eat:

Monks on Mount Athos eat mainly vegetables, seasonal or frozen, due to fasting. Bread produced from whole meal wheat flour, has a leading role in the daily meals.

NuttBoxer says

Misc says

There is no GMO wheat that is commercially available.

So why the fuck is Monsanto suing farmers? I guess they patented God's wheat? This is the most mis-informed health statement I've ever read on patnet.

It seems you are confusing wheat with corn. There is no commercially available GMO wheat. Monsanto was suing farmers over corn. That was about a decade ago. Monsanto was bought out by Bayer (the German company) back in 2018. Hence, there are no current boogieman stories about the evil Monsanto.

https://wheatfoundation.org/wheat-resources/gmos/#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20genetically%20modified,gluten%20relate%20to%20GMO%3F%E2%80%9D.

I am a little bit like Nuttboxer; I had judiciously avoided checkups for years.

In 2018 I paid a shitload for my Obamacare ($8,000+) so I decided to get checkups and etc.

"When was your last blood test?" "1994" The nurse was laughing "good for you".

My 1. blood pressure 2. cholesterol was "borderline" at which it's considered "high".

Maybe drinking 4 cups of coffee before my appointment affected my blood pressure?

Anyway, I am taking 1. atorovastatin 10mg 2. lisinopril 10mg

I found out I had arthritis a few years later and I take also 3. meloxicam which is amazing for me.

I will buy a blood pressure monitor and see if I actually need the lisinopril; a few or my blood pressure readings were only 104 systolic, kinda low.

You do not want high blood pressure; it fucks you up inside with no symptoms.

I'll be off 3. meloxicam when I get my hip fixed and no more arthritis.

clambo says

I will buy a blood pressure monitor and see if I actually need the lisinopril; a few or my blood pressure readings were only 104 systolic, kinda low.

104 systolic is quite low to be on medications for high bp, no? although I think they start the low range at 90. How high was it when they prescribed it?

clambo says

Maybe drinking 4 cups of coffee before my appointment affected my blood pressure?

Lab coat BP. I frankly don't care to know the numbers if I feel fine. Every time I go in my BP is through the roof because I have anxiety about bad news. They take it again 15 minutes later and it's significantly better. I've learned to deal with it by planning thoroughly before doing something.

I "should" probably be on an anti anxiety med, but I ain't doing it. Those few moments where it goes ape shit doesn't seem to do anything long term. I feel great. Aches and pains are creeping in as I had a really active childhood through college years and into early adulthood. Fortunately no back issues. Only bone I fractured was my calcaneus (heel) but my knees took a beat snowboarding in the late 90's doing dumb ass jumps before the perfectly manicured ramps of today (not doing that anymore).

I only take pills for occasions. A cruise I'll take dramamine. Or if I know I'll be riding in a vehicle anywhere in the back for a long duration. My heartburn has seemingly gone away with no diet change. So I stopped taking anything for that and I eat what I want.

Ultimately you need to let the body talk to you. If it's barking, don't run to a doctor. Figure out if something was different that you did. (*not medical advice). When I had my gall stones lodged I KNEW I had to go to a doctor. No more gut pain for 20 years after pulling that fucking gall bladder out.

I don't necessarily believe in preventative maintenance of the body via a doctors office. They just throw pills at it. It's mostly lifestyle causing the issues and the pills just help you keep living that lifestyle. Nothing actually get better you just don't feel it.

mell says

but there's also a genetic component of course.

This assumes God intentionally creates people to suffer. I don't know anything in scripture that backs this up. But if you're not religious, let me put it this way. If you eliminate all environmental toxins in food, air, and water, how much sickness would still exist? Babies just born out of the womb have detectable levels of plastics in their blood stream. Almost everything in your house has chemicals that are harmful for you(not talking about the food). Since we've changed our diet and lifestyle, our children don't have any of the issues you would call genetic. My friend who gave his kids all the vaccines has two autistic kids.

I have yet to come across a disease or condition that cannot be cured, or largely eradicated through natural means.

clambo says

I'll be off 3. meloxicam when I get my hip fixed and no more arthritis.

I was on Meloxicam for a torn knee ligament early this year. It took a couple days to kick in but it really stopped the pain. But it made me feel icky. It disconnected me from my body.

My GP said I was going to need surgery. My orthopedic surgeon let me try physical therapy before scheduling the surgery. I spent an hour plus a day doing knee strengthening exercises and at this point I am pain free and my knees, though sill old, are better than they have been in years.

There are some really good pain meds out there. I am happy they are available and even more happy I don't need them.

Misc says

It seems you are confusing wheat with corn. There is no commercially available GMO wheat. Monsanto was suing farmers over corn. That was about a decade ago. Monsanto was bought out by Bayer (the German company) back in 2018. Hence, there are no current boogieman stories about the evil Monsanto.

I will retract my previous statement, I was wrong, you were right. But I would like to point out that in 2013 GMO wheat was found in Oregon and the reason is unknown, despite the fact that it's not supposed to be commercially available. This is a common issue with GMO crops. The pollen does not respect any borders that man creates. I believe this is the reasoning behind the non-GMO labeling, some companies test to ensure their what is not modified vs the majority that do not.

Also, while this is categorized as breeding, it has fundamentally changed the structure of the structure of wheat, and that's what I really want to point out to the people saying all wheat is good for you, it's not.

https://www.greenamerica.org/gmos-industrial-agriculture/stop-ge-wheat/whats-wrong-modern-wheat

On the genetic debunking, my Dad and Grandfather both have/had high blood pressure. I can tell you with my Grampa it's probably because he was kind of an asshole, although never to me. My Dad definitely weight and diet related. Many of my relatives on both sides of my family had a history of alcoholism. You all know I drink, but it's never been an issue. I had really bad allergies as a kid, my daughters have none. I had chronic ear infections, they do not. My wife and oldest daughter both have Asthma, my younger daughters do not. We didn't really start with the health stuff until my oldest was 10, but she and my wife never use their inhalers anymore, haven't for years.

My oldest had high fevers and rashes until we switched the laundry detergent. Then she never had them again. Blaming genetics is convenient because then it's not our responsibility or fault. But with a little more knowledge I think we'd all learn it's a myth.

Patrick says

Try making a simple bread at home, and be surprised how different it is from anything you can buy from a store.

There's lots of youtube videos that demonstrate it. Some even demonstrate making break in a skillet on the stove, no oven needed. Some don't even need yeast.

One explanation I heard is that for thousands of years, 99% of the population was eating high fiber barley and rye bread.

Using mixtures of mostly wheat for bread for the masses is only the last century or so.

NuttBoxer says

My oldest had high fevers and rashes until we switched the laundry detergent. Then she never had them again. Blaming genetics is convenient because then it's not our responsibility or fault. But with a little more knowledge I think we'd all learn it's a myth.

I'm allergic to Nothing. I always used the cheapest Laundry Detergent. Gain, Store Brand, whatever.

Chick washed my clothes with Tide once and it was like Chicken Pox Strikes Back.

AmericanKulak says

NuttBoxer says

My oldest had high fevers and rashes until we switched the laundry detergent. Then she never had them again. Blaming genetics is convenient because then it's not our responsibility or fault. But with a little more knowledge I think we'd all learn it's a myth.

I'm allergic to Nothing. I always used the cheapest Laundry Detergent. Gain, Store Brand, whatever.

Chick washed my clothes with Tide once and it was like Chicken Pox Strikes Back.

Only reaction physically I have is to certain metals on my skin. Some food will make my stools nasty, but it doesn't physically bother me or I shit my pants. No headaches or stomach aches. There's the occasional I ate too much and need to find a toilet asap. System needs to release pressure. Bread, cheese, meat, seafood, etc. nothing bothers me.

There was one biggie though for a while. Heartburn. I'm convinced Tums and the pills cause MORE heartburn. Stopped any of that crap about 5-6 years ago. Occasionally have what is minor heartburn, but I can drink and eat whatever I want now since I just stopped popping stuff to "relieve" it. Part of that is I completely cut fast food out of any part of my diet. You need sodium at some level, but fast food is notorious for it.

clambo says

"When was your last blood test?" "1994" The nurse was laughing "good for you".

what do you think the nurse meant?

Patrick says

I'll have to disagree here - most of the people in the world have some form of gluten sensitivity. Practically everyone who eats massive amounts of wheat gluten experiences some sort of damage. It could be autoimmune disorders caused by gluten-induced leaky gut syndrome, or ulcerative colitis and small intestine damage which inhibits the ability of the body to absorb nutrients.

After I was in a severe car accident, I developed trauma-induced celiac disease. When you are severely injured, the body's healing ability is focused on repairing your injuries, and neglects its normal duties, such as repairing intestinal damage from eating massive amounts of gluten. Once your body has to triage its recuperative capacity, the damage from gluten to your intestines becomes obvious.

I developed a craving for red meat, and even though I ate more than a pound a day, over about a month, I lost almost 50 lbs. My body couldn't process the food I was eating because my intestinal villi were too damaged. It was only after I cut out all bread and gluten that I was finally able to regain weight and recover. Now that I'm fully healed, I can once again tolerate gluten, but I now know what it's really doing to me, so I minimize it.

Before my accident, I was developing arthritis in my hands. My mother suffers from it, and I also have an aunt who is full-blown celiac. These women grew up on a farm with no industrial chemicals, so it's more a product of the fact that Northern Europeans didn't go through "5000 years" of natural selection to winnow the population down to only those who could tolerate a lot of gluten containing grains in their diets. Here's a dirty little secret - "failure to thrive" in young infants is largely the result of excess gluten in their formula or gruel. This is the mechanism by which natural selection worked against gluten-sensitive populations in the Middle East "5000 years" ago - it killed them in childhood.

After I largely cut out gluten, my arthritis went away. 15 years later, and still no signs of arthritis.

Home-baked bread, without being massively nuked by added gluten, is much less damaging than industrial breads.

The point the picture demonstrates, that I believe is further echo'd by what you're saying, is GMO's are bad for you. Not wheat, not grains, but GMO's.

NuttBoxer says

The point the picture demonstrates, that I believe is further echo'd by what you're saying, is GMO's are bad for you. Not wheat, not grains, but GMO's.

I wouldn't blame it on the GMOs, I'd blame it on the highly processed wheat products most people eat...If people ate bread made with just natural ingredients, it would be a different story...but finding bread made naturally isn't easy...You have to make it yourself to be sure. It's even better to use a sourdough starter instead of YEAST. All that store bought sourdough is fake in my opinion.

WookieMan says

There was one biggie though for a while. Heartburn. I'm convinced Tums and the pills cause MORE heartburn. Stopped any of that crap about 5-6 years ago. Occasionally have what is minor heartburn, but I can drink and eat whatever I want now since I just stopped popping stuff to "relieve" it. Part of that is I completely cut fast food out of any part of my diet. You need sodium at some level, but fast food is notorious for it.

Yep! The only time I get heartburn is when I take my kids for pizza. And I noticed the same shit - tums makes it worse!

I slowly sip a beer or other highly carbonated beverage and it goes away, counter-intuitive but it works like a champ for me.

komputodo says

I wouldn't blame it on the GMOs, I'd blame it on the highly processed wheat products most people eat...If people ate bread made with just natural ingredients, it would be a different story...but finding bread made naturally isn't easy...You have to make it yourself to be sure. It's even better to use a sourdough starter instead of YEAST. All that store bought sourdough is fake in my opinion.

It's really awesome to make bread from complete scratch, with only the flour and a little salt being store brought. When the starter is on your windowsill catching the natural local yeasts.

Gives me a jolt of empowerment.

Another one was making my first beer from absolute scratch from all-grains. One day I'll get back into brewing, and after a few easier runs I'm going to make beer REALLY old-fashioned: No specific gravity measuring, no temperature measuring other than eyeball and hand, and see what I get.

AmericanKulak says

When the starter is on your windowsill catching the natural local yeasts.

I've tried this, but the results seem to vary a lot, probably because the local yeasts vary from day to day.

Same with sauerkraut. You just shred cabbage and wait, but sometimes it's better than other times.

Gluten insensitivity is real, and Celiac disease is real.

The propaganda against this ignores the approximately 10,000 years of "failure to thrive" deaths in the Fertile Crescent that effectively killed all children that couldn't tolerate gluten and thus bred races which were more resistant to the depredations of gluten.

Descendants of Northern Europeans (of which I am 100%) are particularly vulnerable. On my mother's side, she has a sister that is full blown Celiac. My own father died of late onset Type 1 diabetes, which was probably autoimmune-related. I myself was exhibiting allergies and the onset of arthritis until I cut out gluten and sugar 15 years ago. To this day, I can't complain of either.

Nobody argues against lactose intolerance or casein intolerance. It's real as well but doesn't jeopardize the agro-industrial complex.

Just ask Jordan Petersons daughter, who had autoimmune illnesses up the wazoo until she switched to a carnivore red meat diet.

All I and my family know is that when we eat a diet heavy in 100% grass fed meat with minimal gluten and processed shit, we are healthier, have more energy, and our GI's respond most gratifyingly.

I think it's a made up illness to distract from the nasty Franken wheat we're fed in our bread and pasta.

I really miss bread that made eatery selection decisions. When was the last time you ever heard someone rave about the bread somewhere.
It used to be daily topic everywhere. Some pasta was so good, that it was best served with salt, butter and garlic only. Now it's a nose turn upper.

Tenpoundbass says

I think it's a made up illness to distract from the nasty Franken wheat we're fed in our bread and pasta.

I really miss bread that made eatery selection decisions. When was the last time you ever heard someone rave about the bread somewhere.
It used to be daily topic everywhere. Some pasta was so good, that it was best served with salt, butter and garlic only. Now it's a nose turn upper.

That's part of it - artisanal breads have far less gluten than frankenfactory breads.

My point is that at a certain stage of life, people sensitive to gluten will have to avoid barley, wheat, and rye products to preserve their GI's if they're sensitive to gluten.

The good news is that there are complete foods like red meat, and combinations of near complete foods like eggs, cheese, potatoes, etc.

Get off the SAD illness treadmill and figure out on your own a diet that doesn't make you sick and promotes health and wellbeing.

All bread used to be artisanal bread.

A lot of wellbeing is frame of mind, if you let Youtube health videos convince you that you're ailing from some chronic disease. Then you're going to feel miserable and talk yourself into felling like crap all the time.

A big part of feeling rundown, tired, and fatigued is from shallow breathing. I have noticed after 40 from time to time, I will feel rundown. Then realize that I had been shallow breathing. As soon as I start taking in proper huffs of air, I start feeling energetic immediately, and the drowsiness goes away.

Especially if you have a deviated septum. I used to take Psuedephed, when it had the real shit in it. Since then I do nasal and sinus manipulation to keep my airpaths clear. it's important to keep the airways clear.

America will fall for any supplement or daily prescription program we're really stupid. It starts as some type of condition and follows up with meds take 2 a day. I'm 62 no health issues no doctor visits I also avoid dentists unless serious.