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Fascist America

By Robert Sproul follow Robert Sproul   2014 May 5, 7:46am 3,607 views   14 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Chris Hedges:
"The U.S. Supreme Court decision to refuse to hear our case concerning Section 1021(b)(2) of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which permits the military to seize U.S. citizens and hold them indefinitely in military detention centers without due process, means that this provision will continue to be law. It means the nation has entered a post-constitutional era. It means that extraordinary rendition of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil by our government is legal. It means that the courts, like the legislative and executive branches of government, exclusively serve corporate power—one of the core definitions of fascism. It means that the internal mechanisms of state are so corrupted and subservient to corporate power that there is no hope of reform or protection for citizens under our most basic constitutional rights. It means that the consent of the governed—a poll by OpenCongress.com showed that this provision had a 98 percent disapproval rating—is a cruel joke. And it means that if we do not rapidly build militant mass movements to overthrow corporate tyranny, including breaking the back of the two-party duopoly that is the mask of corporate power, we will lose our liberty."
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_post-constitutional_era_20140504

1   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2014 May 6, 1:24am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

You can observe here on Patnet those who display irrational trust of the status quo, asserting American exceptionalism, patriotism, stubbornness, intellectual dishonesty as a tactic to avoid acting as integrity would otherwise demand.

From the link, pg 2 of 2:

"... Corporations, no matter which politicians are in office, loot the Treasury, escape taxation, push down wages, break unions, dismantle civil society, gut regulation and legal oversight, control information, prosecute endless war and dismantle public institutions and programs that include schools, welfare and Social Security. Both appointed justices and Elected officials, enriched through our form of legalized corporate bribery, have no intention of halting the process."

"...It is capitalism, not government, that is the problem. The fusion of corporate and state power means that government is broken. It is little more than a protection racket for Wall Street. And it is our job to wrest government back. This will come only through the building of mass movements."

"...Our corporate masters will not of their own volition curb their appetite for profits. Human misery and the deadly assault on the ecosystem are good for business. These masters have set in place laws that, when we rise up—and they expect us to rise up—will permit the state to herd us like sheep into military detention camps. Section 1021(b)(2) is but one piece of the legal tyranny now in place to ensure total corporate control. The corporate state also oversees the most pervasive security and surveillance apparatus in human history. It can order the assassination of U.S. citizens. It has abolished habeas corpus. It uses secret evidence to imprison dissidents, ..."

2   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2014 May 6, 1:38am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

jazz music says

irrational trust of the status quo

Nice phrasing.
The dividing line is who has been harvested already and who is still in the feed chute. I doubt that any Patnet'ers are among the impervious .01%.

3   mell   ignore (6)   2014 May 6, 4:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

That's what you get for voting for one and the same party. Next time vote Ron Paul to get habeas corpus restored.

4   CL   ignore (0)   2014 May 6, 6:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says

That's what you get for voting for one and the same party. Next time vote Ron Paul to get habeas corpus restored.

Hahahaaha. Hilarious. Paul is as consistent as his positions on Federal Disaster aid. On top of that, the system makes even a well-intentioned President virtually powerless.

Lastly, there are no politicians who would work with a Paul presidency, which would make him less effective than they've made Obama.

5   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 25, 7:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The US is a bankrupt warmongering police state now. Many Americans want to blame Communists, Nazis, blacks, Jews, Muslims, feminists, or illegal immigrants for the collapse of the USA, but if Americans really want to know who to blame, they just need to look in the mirror.

The scary thing is not that the Jews or Freemasons are controlling the world. What is terrifying is that no one is running the world.

The US is rigged. Since the USA is a police state, Americans are wondering how to resist. Voting doesn't work. Protesting is illegal. An armed rebellion would probably be crushed.

Perhaps one way for Americans to fight back is to just drop out and stop complying. Why pay taxes or obey the law when the government doesn't?

They can't kill us all. If everything is illegal and everyone is a criminal, then there aren't enough prisons for everyone.

Don't buy health insurance.

Don't buy car liability insurance.

Don't get a driver's license.

Don't get a business license.

Don't use seatbelts.

The only reason the system has power is because everyone obeys and thinks it's legitimate, but the government has lost the consent of the people.

A law doesn't mean justice.

Burn it down. Burn it to the ground.

http://www.history.com/topics/french-revolution
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/22/yes-in-the-u-s-the-people-can-reject-a-president-if-theyre-convinced-hes-a-tyrant/?utm_term=.e84aab6b3d40
6   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 25, 7:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Anon - what is your objection to seatbelts? (I say this somewhat facetiously as I think anon is a bot and incapable of answering the question)
7   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 25, 7:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Wearing seatbelts is fine, but being forced to
wear seatbelts by the government is wrong.
8   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 25, 8:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Why specifically? I have no issue with single perple offing themselves but Otherwise they cause issues to third parties.
9   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2017 Oct 25, 8:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

anonymous says
The US is rigged. Since the USA is a police state, Americans are wondering how to resist. Voting doesn't work. Protesting is illegal. An armed rebellion would probably be crushed.

Perhaps one way for Americans to fight back is to just drop out and stop complying

Passive resistance. Stop blowing money. Stop having children just to be made into more soldiers police and prisoners on the whim of some sadist with a badge and a gang of soldiers. Stop having fast food.

anonymous says
The only reason the system has power is because everyone obeys and thinks it's legitimate

No, the government has it's armies and torture farms where people beg to move up to slave status.
10   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 25, 8:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Since everything was illegal in the USSR, Russians just gave up. Now we're seeing the same thing happening in the US.

Why bother doing anything if you're just going to go to jail?
11   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 25, 8:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

There was a time when Americans believed in freedom.

The US is dying from a million cuts. Part of the reason the USA is a nanny police state now is that whenever there is a problem, the kneejerk reaction in the US is to call for a new law.

Nanny state laws are not the best solution, however. Nanny state laws lead to more laws, higher fines, and tougher sentences. Thirty-five years ago, DWI laws were enacted that led to DWI checkpoints and lower DWI levels. Seatbelt laws led to backseat seatbelt laws, childseat laws, and pet seatbelt laws. Car liability insurance laws led to health insurance laws and gun liability laws. Smoking laws that banned smoking in buildings led to laws against smoking in parks and then bans against smoking in entire cities. Sex offender registration laws led to sex offender restriction laws and violent offender registration laws.

Nanny state laws don't make us safer, either. Nanny state laws lead people to be careless since they don't need to have personal responsibility anymore. People don't need to be careful crossing the street now because drunk-driving has been outlawed and driving while using a mobile phone is illegal. People don't investigate companies or carry out due diligence because businesses must have business licenses now.

The main point of nanny state laws is not safety. The main purposes of more laws are control and revenue generation for the state.

Another reason laws are enacted is because corporations give donations to lawmakers to stifle competition or increase sales.

Many laws are contradictory, too. Some laws say watering lawns is required, while other laws say watering lawns is illegal.

Many nanny state laws that aim to solve a problem can be fixed by using existing laws. If assault is already illegal, why do we need a new law that outlaws hitting umpires?

Nanny state laws are not even necessary. If everything was legal would you steal, murder, and use crack cocaine? Aren't there other ways to solve problems besides calling the police? Couldn't people educate or talk to people who bother them? Couldn't people be sued for annoying behavior? Couldn't people just move away? Even if assault was legal, wouldn't attackers risk being killed or injured, too? Do people have consciences? Having no laws doesn't mean actions have no consequences.

If there is no victim, there is no crime.

We don't need thousands of laws when we only need 10.

Should swimming pools be banned because they are dangerous? Hammers? Bottles? Rocks? Energy drinks? Pillows?

Where does it end?

If one state can have self-serve gas stations, why can't every state have them? If sodas were legal 20 years ago, why can't they be legal now?

Freedom is not just a one way street. You can only have freedom for yourself if you allow others to have it.

Control freaks might get angry when a neighbor owns three indoor cats, but what did the neighbor take from them? Why should this be illegal? Is outlawing cats something a free country should do? Doesn't banning everything sound like the opposite of liberty?

Instead of getting mad at people who like freedom, why don't people realize that freedom is a two way street?

If you allow others to paint their house purple then you can, too.

If you allow others to own a gun then you can, too.

If you allow others to swear then you can, too.

If you allow others to gamble then you can, too.

Who wants to live in a prison?

Think. Question everything.
12   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2017 Oct 25, 8:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

oil says
You can only have freedom for yourself if you allow others to have it.

If you have a badge you can have every fucking thing there is both ways because you are a fucking occupying army that the rich people store owners and landlords need to have but insist on having the poor pay for the services.

Take the basic dynamics here and see them as truth demonstrated before your eyes.
13   HEY YOU   ignore (9)   2017 Oct 25, 8:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

anonymous says
Many Americans want to blame Communists, Nazis, blacks, Jews, Muslims, feminists, or illegal immigrants for the collapse of the USA,


The White Male Republicans & Democrats have held power. It's their fault.
The White Males R/Ds will pay with the rest of the population.
When they come for WMRDs,don't call me.
You might look in a mirror & see your enemy.
14   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 25, 8:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

anonymous says
Don't use seatbelts.


So dying in a car wreck will send a message?

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