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Dan8267 says

zzyzzx says

He saved the taxpayers a bunch of money by executing them

You can save the taxpayers a bunch of money by killing newborns before they rake up public education dollars. This does not justify doing so.

This is probably straying a little bit but I have always wondered why conservatives are so against abortion and liberals are so for it. Sure there is the freedom versus morality issue, but abortion favors conservatives and hurts liberals as it eliminates millions of mostly future poor people who would in all likelihood, suck up entitlements and be inclined to vote Democrat, because minorities and inner city white women are much more likely to have an abortion than rural and suburban white women. I mean isn't that why Margaret Sanger started Planned Parenthood? To control the negro population and those that could possibly be a burden to society.

lakermania says

This is probably straying a little bit but I have always wondered why conservatives are so against abortion and liberals are so for it. Sure there is the freedom versus morality issue, but abortion favors conservatives and hurts liberals as it eliminates millions of mostly future poor people who would in all likelihood, suck up entitlements and be inclined to vote Democrat, because minorities and inner city white women are much more likely to have an abortion than rural and suburban white women. I mean isn't that why Margaret Sanger started Planned Parenthood? To control the negro population and those that could possibly be a burden to society.

Your rant is full of assumptions with little backing. How do you know what party potential aborted kids might have voted for in future? My head hurts from the Fox News relatives I have, who think BOTH that "those people" are having too many kids due to all the welfare they are living high on, and that they are having abortions right and left. The incongruity of these 2 simultaneous projections doesn't bother them. "We the people" of course never drive our daughters to another city to get one of those, nosiree, well nobody saw us anyhow.

lakermania says

liberals as it eliminates millions of mostly future poor

I'm a liberal and I'd be damn glad if we eliminated poverty once and for all. By the way, liberalism and socialism are two unrelated philosophies. Liberalism is a social philosophy, not an economic one. I, and the vast majority of liberals I know, are fiscally conservative. We spend damn little and invest a lot.

Socialism, despite it's name, is an economic philosophy, not a social one. More accurately, in my opinion, socialism is more of an economic tactic than a philosophy.

Don't let our stupid media fool you into thinking that liberals are on the left. We're orthogonal to the stupid left-right line. And we're farther from either the left or the right than they are from each other.

A leftist will ban hate speech on college campus. A liberal will fight for the rights of all including the KKK to hold a march on campus. And then that same liberal will hold a counter-demonstration holding up large photos of the KKK lynching people.

The leftist tries to silence hateful speech. The liberal counters hateful speech with the truth. These are two diametrically opposing worldviews.

The left and the right in America are arbitrary sets of political beliefs lumped together. What constitutes left and right in the U.S. isn't what constitutes them in other countries. In contrast, the definition for liberalism is universal. We liberals believe

1. All persons have the same rights. No one has privileges.
2. Rights, by definition, cannot be taken away. A freedom that can be taken away is, by definition, a privilege.
3. All persons are equal under law.
4. The only laws that should exist are those protecting rights. Note that this includes public property rights, which is why pollution should be illegal. The environment is public property.
5. People should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they aren't violating the rights of others. However, polluting, fraud, the open system of bribery we call lobbying, and systematically rigging the system to keep people impoverish is a violation of basic human and civil rights. In contrast, smoking weed and running around nude in public is not.

Liberal does NOT mean

1. Pro-choice.
The question of when an offspring becomes a person and is entitled to rights is outside the scope of liberalism. Liberals may be anywhere in the spectrum of pro-life to pro-choice.

2. Socialistic or Communistic
These are economic issues and as liberalism is a social philosophy, liberals can and do subscribe to many, many different economic philosophies.

3. Left or democrats
Although social conservatism has become code for bigotry and is therefore incompatible with liberalism, that does not mean the left or democrats are liberals or that liberals are democrats. I view the Democratic Party as simply being the far less evil of the two parties, but that doesn't mean I don't think their evil. They are just a minor evil compared to the Republicans.

Although you might make a case that the left wants multitudes of poor, I doubt that is true. It seems to me that the rich, who vote almost entirely Republican, want a multitude of poor because their opulent lifestyles can only exist if there are multitudes of poor doing shitty jobs for low pay. If all the poor suddenly died, the rich would have to pay a hell of a lot more for the middle class to do these jobs. And that would dramatically decrease their wealth. If the middle class also suddenly died, the rich would instantaneously cease being rich. They would have to do all the work they currently pay others to do including all the manual labor.

The rich need the poor. The poor do not need the rich. The rich prey on the poor like the lion preys on the gazelle. The gazelle gets nothing in return.

lakermania says

This is probably straying a little bit but I have always wondered why conservatives are so against abortion and liberals are so for it

If I were dictator, I would make abortion mandatory unless the people had enough money to pay for the damm thing up front.

if these were 12 year old kids.. like say the kids from the movie GOONIES... inquisitive types. And this guy did the same to them.. how would you guys feel?

Vicente says

Your rant is full of assumptions with little backing. How do you know what party potential aborted kids might have voted for in future? My head hurts from the Fox News relatives I have, who think BOTH that "those people" are having too many kids due to all the welfare they are living high on, and that they are having abortions right and left. The incongruity of these 2 simultaneous projections doesn't bother them. "We the people" of course never drive our daughters to another city to get one of those, nosiree, well nobody saw us anyhow.

Really?

88% Almost 90%! Of women who had an abortion comes from metropolitan areas according to prochoice.org.

64% of women who have abortion are minorities.

57% of women who have abortions are below the poverty level, not including minors which is at least 6%.

Only 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians. 22% are Catholic.

Assumptions? Does the majority of these demographics sound like conservative voting women to you?

But hey, but I'm just a guy who leans to the left on a lot of social issues like abortion, who happens to vote Republican and sits on the sidelines watching in bewilderment, as the two parties do things which are contradictory to their own benefit.

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

Dan8267 says

Don't let our stupid media fool you into thinking that liberals are on the left. We're orthogonal to the stupid left-right line. And we're farther from either the left or the right than they are from each other.

Rather than go point by point, and take this topic even more off track, it would be easier to concede that yes....people like myself do tend to use "liberal" in place of Democrat or leftist in many instances. It's easy to do, like you insinuated, there are no liberals voting for conservatives. Of course the reverse is never done....

BoomAndBustCycle says

if these were 12 year old kids.. like say the kids from the movie GOONIES... inquisitive types. And this guy did the same to them.. how would you guys feel?

Clearly the old lady was protecting her family and property.

Chunk deserved to die, along with all his meddling little friends.

BoomAndBustCycle says

if these were 12 year old kids.. like say the kids from the movie GOONIES... inquisitive types. And this guy did the same to them.. how would you guys feel?

lakermania says

It's easy to do, like you insinuated, there are no liberals voting for conservatives.

It's not my fault all the conservatives in my lifetime have been batshit crazy and evil. I like Ike. I would vote for Eisenhower. But I guess he would be considered a leftist commie today and a rino. Donald Trump would be demanding his birth certificate.

lakermania says

It's easy to do, like you insinuated, there are no liberals voting for conservatives.

Been socially liberal all my life, or at least I thought so. Voted for Reagan and Bush and Shrub.

Unfortunately the Big Tent picked up and moved, and acquired Purity Police and put the preachers in charge, to make clear that people like me aren't welcome.

MN man convicted of premeditated murder. Burglars/murderers/serial killers/rapists can rejoice- now, no homeowners can defend themselves.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/prosecutor-man-shot-teens-intended-kill-23517042

same two kids robbing the same guy more than once.
when he heard the glass break upstairs he could have called the police at that point. he then could have held the kid at gunpoint while the police were enroute. If the kid attacked he could have kneecapped him.
he deserved his sentence...laying in wait like that and then finishing off a wounded, downed intruder.
i hold the parents of the kids partially responsible for not raising them in such a way that the thought of robbing someone would be reprehensible to them.

lostand confused says

MN man convicted of premeditated murder. Burglars/murderers/serial killers/rapists can rejoice- now, no homeowners can defend themselves.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/prosecutor-man-shot-teens-intended-kill-23517042

Ahh...so matrix like.
speaking of which, there's a reason the RED states..errr.. pill... represents Reality, and the BLUE states...errr...pill represents the blissful ignorance of illusion.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

harvested them for blood for the rest of their lives and made a few bucks per pint.

SoftShell says

same two kids robbing the same guy more than once.

when he heard the glass break upstairs he could have called the police at that point. he then could have held the kid at gunpoint while the police were enroute. If the kid attacked he could have kneecapped him.

he deserved his sentence...laying in wait like that and then finishing off a wounded, downed intruder.

How does one lay in wait in their own home???

setting up a snipers nest, with refreshments and recording devices.
Hey, he has a right to defend himself in his own home, i have no problem with that...but c'mon, additional gunshots to the head after they are already down??

lostand confused says

How does one lay in wait in their own home???

that is not premediation. A man has a right to be in his own home

lostand confused says

How does one lay in wait in their own home???

Well something like:

1. Park vehicles far from the house so it looks like no one is home.
2. Sit silently in a chair in the basement facing door with a rifle.
3. Do not pick up a phone or other means of calling for help.
4. Don't move or speak until someone's legs come into view, then open fire immediately.
5. If the target still shows signs of life, fire more shots until they are clearly dead.
6. Remove body from sight of door.
7. Repeat 2-6 as necessary or until a full day has passed.

something like that

You could also leave your garage door open with attractive items visible, and as soon as you are aware someone is present fire multiple shotgun blasts blindly into the darkened garage. This was another successful hunting strategy recently employed against a foreign exchange student.

Or you can shoot any houseguest, and claim you forgot about them and thought they were an intruder.

I've just finished sitting on a jury, and the evidence with video and audio seems clear on this one.

Don't forget the excuse that guy in south africa used....the one with the fancy legs...

Vicente says

Or you can shoot any houseguest, and claim you forgot about them and thought they were an intruder

So now not building your house like a fortress and allowing burglars a small gap to squeeze through is an invitation to come in?? Burglars need to have a fear that they will be shot.

His deer stand even included having a tarp handy. So yeah premeditated!

Audio here for those who want to hear people dying, don't pull a muscle masturbating folks.

Court Releases Recording Of Byron Smith Gunning Down Teens (EXPLICIT AUDIO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/byron-smith-audio_n_5255546.html

Vicente says

His deer stand even included having a tarp handy. So yeah premeditated!

Audio here for those who want to hear people dying, don't pull a muscle masturbating folks.

Court Releases Recording Of Byron Smith Gunning Down Teens (EXPLICIT AUDIO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/byron-smith-audio_n_5255546.html

His deer stand in his own house. Not in the street or a remote forest. but his own house. Are you saying if you forget to lock your house, you give the right to every burglar in the neighborhood permission to enter your house and staeal and/or kill anybody there. If they trip and fall, then itisi premidated attempted murder-oh kept a stumbling block in their path. Don't go break into other people's homes.

I think the Fed put him up to this: create insecurity, use as excuse to dictate interest rates.

Technically speaking, every 7-11 owner who has a hidden gun has a 'deer stand' set up.
Every armed homeowner has a deer stand set up.

Drinks and chips readily available. Firearms loaded with intent to shoot robbers. Radio entertainment playing in the background.
If you are going to claim 'deer stand' for this dude, you have to include all the armed 7-11's, wawa's, ampm's and gazillion independent store owners not to mention armed homeowners.

lostand confused says

His deer stand in his own house. Not in the street or a remote forest. but his own house.

Lets not forget if you own a tarp and a gun, you are guilty.

Vicente says

included having a tarp handy

I've always said....When the police feel safe enough to give up their guns......I probably still won't give up mine.

On the other hand, when the police shoot a felon.....they don't "knee-cap". Police shoot to kill......even to the point of reloading if need be.

Hey folks, police are "servants" of the public. If the servants get to do it....the masters surely have more rights than the servants. It can't be more simple than that. And I haven't read (or listened to) the story, but regardless, the home owner should sue these criminals estates for (forgive the lack of legal speak here) causing him undue stress to the point he wasn't his normal, logical self, but instead of was stressed beyond reason for these fools forcing him to resort to (justified....vs justifiable) homicide to protect him and his property (a right in the original, pre-Jew lawyer America, but then again, so is/was gun rights, but hey......they take that away just about when they want..... felon, family violence, mental issues, etc......very much contrary to "inalienable rights").

Yes, they pushed they guy to the point of killing another human, an act that cause mental havoc with the most of us, thus not only was he NOT responsible for his following actions, the foolish dead criminals were and thus should be/are civilly liable.... via their estate. What.....??? No money ??? File the damned lawsuit to make a point.......law (and lawyers) have become a bad joke (since the profession has been inhabited by a tribal entity who adhere to a religion based on blood sacrifice ...... Neanderthal seeking revenge on Cro-Magnon human for all the decimation we caused by being more adept than those with bodies like Henry "Loyal to the tribe...and American jobs in China for even more tribal profits" Kissinger).

Now, the (tribally stacked) Supreme Court has ruled that a cop can stop and assault your freedoms based on an "anonymous" tip. (Darwin would roll over right now had he been aware now all creatures evolve, blood sacrifice, indeed. Not only for the decimation cause by being more able bodied, but maybe for all the European countries having the intelligence to recognize, at least up till recently, that maybe not all two legged animals are human.....equipped with an ability to sympathize and empathize. Again, non-evolutionary.)

What it comes down to is that we have laws created by an unconstitutional government who wars with nations that haven't even threatened America, much less attacked her. It's as if our (rogue) American military (and Wall Street's "defense industry".....perpetual war for corporate/tribal profit machine) acts independently (except for the strings pulled by Wall Street's Banksterbergs & Bankstersteins) of anything associated with loyalty to the American public and once thru (they never are) burning munitions in one country or another (until they imagine reasons to war with another......like Libya, N. Korea, Russia, China.......hmmmm, no Central Banks there, you say).... they build some of the finest roads, schools, water/sewer systems with our tax dollars.........anywhere but in America.

To condemn an American on welfare, but NOT to condemn perpetual war for corporate (tribal) profits with those that haven't done harm to Americans.........is disingenuous at best (public education, most likely....."No child left behind"....so we leave them all behind.....so they can vote for one or the other of the two heads of the one (Wall Street) party. not knowing whichever head gets elected, the (Wall Street) tribe is still calling the shots (and leeching our tax dollars, poisoning our foods, selling worthless derivatives to our pension funds, bankrupting our economy with their real estate bubble-bust con job, and shipping (shipped) our jobs & industry to China for corporate (again.....tribal) profits.

Not only is it NOT illegal to replace an unconstitutional government with a Constitutional government, it is the duty of every patriotice American citizen (not to be confused with "dual citizenship" TRAITORS loyal to a tribe and foreign land whose official state religion is based on blood sacrifice.....and leeching American tax dollars to pay for that Neanderthal practice).

"Not Guilty, Your Honor. A man's home is his (HIS) castle, Your Honor. Personally, he should have shot the prosecutor for trespassing, also. (No, not the police. They'll get the message at that point.)

Adam Lanza....Sandy Hook.......Jewish
Columbine Trench Coat Mafia......Jewish
Jared Lee Loughner......Jewish
Ted Kaczynski...........Jewish
Jonathon Pollard.......(stole American nuclear technology, gave it to the blood sacrifice nation who gave it to S. Africa and sold it to China)..........Jewish
Bernie Madoff.........Jewish
Benyamin Netanyahu.........Lithuanian Khazar
Ariel Sharon "The Butcher (predecessor to Netanyahu).....Lithuanian Khazar
Ben Bernanke.....of the (criminal) Federal Reserve that brought 1920s & 30s Germany style hyperinflation to America.......Lithuanian Khazar
as is Bruce Willis, Tommy Lee Jones, Harrison Ford, and a whole shitload more you'd never know were bigoted, prejudiced former Soviet Union Khazars hiding behind a Neanderthal tribal identity.

Sigh.

Dateline NBC is doing an episode about this. It's on right now.

lostand confused says

Are you saying if you forget to lock your house, you give the right

Dude watched too many Death Wish movies. Let's face it, there's any number of ways he could have played this. He chose the path that ends in their deaths and his imprisonment.

Reminds me of the jury I just sat on, dumbass caught with meth in his car who started blabbing in the backseat of the police car on video. Without that, I might have bought his court testimony which left some reasonable doubt room.

Your dumbass not only gives a "finishing" shot to a girl who's already dead, he is taping it. If he had called 911 right then, I might have cut him a little slack, but he didn't.

Shows why America is so messed up. if burglars chose not to break into someone's home-they would be alive and well. Our country is so twisted that it won't assign responsibility to anybody. Did he go overboard-yes. But it was his house into which not one-but two burglars broke in. How would he even know if there were three or four or ten or if they were cannibal anarchists?? it is not like they stopped in the living room, took a TV and ran-they actually came down to the basement-one after the other. Actions have consequences-apparently not in America.

lostand confused says

my point is if you are living in your home, alone or with family and have burglars break in-how on earth are supposed to know who they are, how many there are. Maybe he went overboard, but he shot one, then the other comes walking down the basement-for all he knows they could have a loaded semi-automatic. How do you know if one that fell, might not have concealed, get up and come after you while another new burglar is coming from the front??

If he was a cop, this wouldnt even be questioned...

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

He'll walk on appeal. These kids got a break. He just killed them. He could have dismembered and sold them piecemeal to organ brokers and harvested them for blood for the rest of their lives and made a few bucks per pint. They were in his house uninvited, after all.

It is going to be tough to be an internet archeologist 100 years from now. One of the big challenges is going to be to recognize the difference between a sinister parody and the ramblings of a bona-fide wingnut. Papers will be published, and tenure earned, I guarantee it.

This is the doing of the rabid leftists.
they sit cheering each incident, pounding their knives and forks on their ant infested tofu encrusted checkered tablecloths, egged on by greedy beedy eyed solicitors willing the breakdown of civil society.
Laws to the left mean nothing anymore.
They are against the enforcers, and the enforcement of the whole kit and kaboodle. Anarchy followed by complete socialism is their goal.

lostand confused says

Our country is so twisted that it won't assign responsibility to anybody.

Given the same evidence, yes it would have been questioned in the same way.
This is just your personal bias against law enforcement, probably due to some previous incident in your personal history.

Miike says

If he was a cop, this wouldnt even be questioned...

SoftShell says

They are against the enforcers, and the enforcement of the whole kit and kaboodle. Anarchy followed by complete socialism is their goal.

When enforcers lie under oath and get away with no consequences-they are not enforcers, but common street thugs working to further their criminal enterprise. When govt exists for the public good-then it is good. When govt exists to extract money from the public to feed itself-then they are no different from thugs.

Yes, of course.
You will have that type of corruption in any labor sector. It is pretty much unavoidable unless you want to triple enforcement wage base and double the screening process, choosing only the most veritably honest applicants.
Of course the pool of applicants would not be as large, and your enforcement costs would skyrocket.

lostand confused says

When enforcers lie under oath and get away with no consequences-they are not enforcers, but common street thugs working to further their criminal enterprise.

Govt exists for the public good. Unfortunately govt does extract money from the public to feed itself also.
You'd have to spreadsheet all the public good achieved, versus all the money extracted to feed the beast to get a handle on whether the system, as is, is palatable.
Then you'd have to duplicate this feat with the leading countries of the world to see if there is a better system out there, or if ours needs to be tweeked/modified...

Good luck with that project.
lostand confused says

When govt exists for the public good-then it is good. When govt exists to extract money from the public to feed itself-then they are no different from thugs.

When cops that break laws are arrested nd thrown in jail as readily as ordinary Americans are-then we will talk. You don't need extra bureaucracy for that-just enforcement of existing law against the enforcers. respect is earned not enforced. As long as cops do their jobs to stop criminals, then the majority will respect them, if they don't and cross over into harassing citizens to feed the beast-as they are now in America-then people will look at them as the thugs they are.

There is a fine line. Till the 1920s we didn't even have an income tax, except for a short period in the 1800s to repay debts from the civil war. If we go back to that, we won't be in these endless wars against drugs or whatever across the globe and be so hungry as to tax the incomes of non resident Americans and threaten foreign banks-the only developed nation to do so. America has become a caricature of itself-the funny thing is that on these issues repubs are even more pro big gubmnt then the dems.

I don't think the judge liked that he was hawking the snuff video on the courthouse steps in between hearings.