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Man kills two burglars in his own home-is charged with murder.


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2014 Apr 23, 10:02pm   16,990 views  75 comments

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/prosecutor-minn-homeowner-lay-in-wait-for-teen-burglars/#postComments

Thanksgiving Day in 2012. The killings rocked the small central Minnesota city of about 8,000 and stirred debate about how far a person can go in defending their home. Smith has claimed self-defense, saying he feared the teens were armed and that he was on edge after earlier repeated break-ins at his home.

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50   Y   2014 May 1, 12:16am  

Ahh...so matrix like.
speaking of which, there's a reason the RED states..errr.. pill... represents Reality, and the BLUE states...errr...pill represents the blissful ignorance of illusion.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

harvested them for blood for the rest of their lives and made a few bucks per pint.

51   lostand confused   2014 May 1, 1:48am  

SoftShell says

same two kids robbing the same guy more than once.

when he heard the glass break upstairs he could have called the police at that point. he then could have held the kid at gunpoint while the police were enroute. If the kid attacked he could have kneecapped him.

he deserved his sentence...laying in wait like that and then finishing off a wounded, downed intruder.

How does one lay in wait in their own home???

52   Y   2014 May 1, 1:53am  

setting up a snipers nest, with refreshments and recording devices.
Hey, he has a right to defend himself in his own home, i have no problem with that...but c'mon, additional gunshots to the head after they are already down??

lostand confused says

How does one lay in wait in their own home???

53   lostand confused   2014 May 1, 4:08am  

that is not premediation. A man has a right to be in his own home

54   Vicente   2014 May 1, 4:47am  

lostand confused says

How does one lay in wait in their own home???

Well something like:

1. Park vehicles far from the house so it looks like no one is home.
2. Sit silently in a chair in the basement facing door with a rifle.
3. Do not pick up a phone or other means of calling for help.
4. Don't move or speak until someone's legs come into view, then open fire immediately.
5. If the target still shows signs of life, fire more shots until they are clearly dead.
6. Remove body from sight of door.
7. Repeat 2-6 as necessary or until a full day has passed.

something like that

You could also leave your garage door open with attractive items visible, and as soon as you are aware someone is present fire multiple shotgun blasts blindly into the darkened garage. This was another successful hunting strategy recently employed against a foreign exchange student.

Or you can shoot any houseguest, and claim you forgot about them and thought they were an intruder.

I've just finished sitting on a jury, and the evidence with video and audio seems clear on this one.

55   Y   2014 May 1, 4:59am  

Don't forget the excuse that guy in south africa used....the one with the fancy legs...

Vicente says

Or you can shoot any houseguest, and claim you forgot about them and thought they were an intruder

56   lostand confused   2014 May 1, 10:14am  

So now not building your house like a fortress and allowing burglars a small gap to squeeze through is an invitation to come in?? Burglars need to have a fear that they will be shot.

57   Vicente   2014 May 3, 7:30am  

His deer stand even included having a tarp handy. So yeah premeditated!

Audio here for those who want to hear people dying, don't pull a muscle masturbating folks.

Court Releases Recording Of Byron Smith Gunning Down Teens (EXPLICIT AUDIO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/byron-smith-audio_n_5255546.html

58   lostand confused   2014 May 3, 9:10am  

Vicente says

His deer stand even included having a tarp handy. So yeah premeditated!

Audio here for those who want to hear people dying, don't pull a muscle masturbating folks.

Court Releases Recording Of Byron Smith Gunning Down Teens (EXPLICIT AUDIO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/byron-smith-audio_n_5255546.html

His deer stand in his own house. Not in the street or a remote forest. but his own house. Are you saying if you forget to lock your house, you give the right to every burglar in the neighborhood permission to enter your house and staeal and/or kill anybody there. If they trip and fall, then itisi premidated attempted murder-oh kept a stumbling block in their path. Don't go break into other people's homes.

59   HydroCabron   2014 May 3, 11:20am  

I think the Fed put him up to this: create insecurity, use as excuse to dictate interest rates.

60   Y   2014 May 3, 12:48pm  

Technically speaking, every 7-11 owner who has a hidden gun has a 'deer stand' set up.
Every armed homeowner has a deer stand set up.

Drinks and chips readily available. Firearms loaded with intent to shoot robbers. Radio entertainment playing in the background.
If you are going to claim 'deer stand' for this dude, you have to include all the armed 7-11's, wawa's, ampm's and gazillion independent store owners not to mention armed homeowners.

lostand confused says

His deer stand in his own house. Not in the street or a remote forest. but his own house.

61   Y   2014 May 3, 12:49pm  

Lets not forget if you own a tarp and a gun, you are guilty.

Vicente says

included having a tarp handy

62   Mikhail01   2014 May 3, 3:39pm  

I've always said....When the police feel safe enough to give up their guns......I probably still won't give up mine.

On the other hand, when the police shoot a felon.....they don't "knee-cap". Police shoot to kill......even to the point of reloading if need be.

Hey folks, police are "servants" of the public. If the servants get to do it....the masters surely have more rights than the servants. It can't be more simple than that. And I haven't read (or listened to) the story, but regardless, the home owner should sue these criminals estates for (forgive the lack of legal speak here) causing him undue stress to the point he wasn't his normal, logical self, but instead of was stressed beyond reason for these fools forcing him to resort to (justified....vs justifiable) homicide to protect him and his property (a right in the original, pre-Jew lawyer America, but then again, so is/was gun rights, but hey......they take that away just about when they want..... felon, family violence, mental issues, etc......very much contrary to "inalienable rights").

Yes, they pushed they guy to the point of killing another human, an act that cause mental havoc with the most of us, thus not only was he NOT responsible for his following actions, the foolish dead criminals were and thus should be/are civilly liable.... via their estate. What.....??? No money ??? File the damned lawsuit to make a point.......law (and lawyers) have become a bad joke (since the profession has been inhabited by a tribal entity who adhere to a religion based on blood sacrifice ...... Neanderthal seeking revenge on Cro-Magnon human for all the decimation we caused by being more adept than those with bodies like Henry "Loyal to the tribe...and American jobs in China for even more tribal profits" Kissinger).

Now, the (tribally stacked) Supreme Court has ruled that a cop can stop and assault your freedoms based on an "anonymous" tip. (Darwin would roll over right now had he been aware now all creatures evolve, blood sacrifice, indeed. Not only for the decimation cause by being more able bodied, but maybe for all the European countries having the intelligence to recognize, at least up till recently, that maybe not all two legged animals are human.....equipped with an ability to sympathize and empathize. Again, non-evolutionary.)

What it comes down to is that we have laws created by an unconstitutional government who wars with nations that haven't even threatened America, much less attacked her. It's as if our (rogue) American military (and Wall Street's "defense industry".....perpetual war for corporate/tribal profit machine) acts independently (except for the strings pulled by Wall Street's Banksterbergs & Bankstersteins) of anything associated with loyalty to the American public and once thru (they never are) burning munitions in one country or another (until they imagine reasons to war with another......like Libya, N. Korea, Russia, China.......hmmmm, no Central Banks there, you say).... they build some of the finest roads, schools, water/sewer systems with our tax dollars.........anywhere but in America.

To condemn an American on welfare, but NOT to condemn perpetual war for corporate (tribal) profits with those that haven't done harm to Americans.........is disingenuous at best (public education, most likely....."No child left behind"....so we leave them all behind.....so they can vote for one or the other of the two heads of the one (Wall Street) party. not knowing whichever head gets elected, the (Wall Street) tribe is still calling the shots (and leeching our tax dollars, poisoning our foods, selling worthless derivatives to our pension funds, bankrupting our economy with their real estate bubble-bust con job, and shipping (shipped) our jobs & industry to China for corporate (again.....tribal) profits.

Not only is it NOT illegal to replace an unconstitutional government with a Constitutional government, it is the duty of every patriotice American citizen (not to be confused with "dual citizenship" TRAITORS loyal to a tribe and foreign land whose official state religion is based on blood sacrifice.....and leeching American tax dollars to pay for that Neanderthal practice).

"Not Guilty, Your Honor. A man's home is his (HIS) castle, Your Honor. Personally, he should have shot the prosecutor for trespassing, also. (No, not the police. They'll get the message at that point.)

Adam Lanza....Sandy Hook.......Jewish
Columbine Trench Coat Mafia......Jewish
Jared Lee Loughner......Jewish
Ted Kaczynski...........Jewish
Jonathon Pollard.......(stole American nuclear technology, gave it to the blood sacrifice nation who gave it to S. Africa and sold it to China)..........Jewish
Bernie Madoff.........Jewish
Benyamin Netanyahu.........Lithuanian Khazar
Ariel Sharon "The Butcher (predecessor to Netanyahu).....Lithuanian Khazar
Ben Bernanke.....of the (criminal) Federal Reserve that brought 1920s & 30s Germany style hyperinflation to America.......Lithuanian Khazar
as is Bruce Willis, Tommy Lee Jones, Harrison Ford, and a whole shitload more you'd never know were bigoted, prejudiced former Soviet Union Khazars hiding behind a Neanderthal tribal identity.

63   Bigsby   2014 May 3, 5:30pm  

Sigh.

64   zzyzzx   2014 May 16, 10:38am  

Dateline NBC is doing an episode about this. It's on right now.

65   Vicente   2014 May 16, 3:14pm  

lostand confused says

Are you saying if you forget to lock your house, you give the right

Dude watched too many Death Wish movies. Let's face it, there's any number of ways he could have played this. He chose the path that ends in their deaths and his imprisonment.

Reminds me of the jury I just sat on, dumbass caught with meth in his car who started blabbing in the backseat of the police car on video. Without that, I might have bought his court testimony which left some reasonable doubt room.

Your dumbass not only gives a "finishing" shot to a girl who's already dead, he is taping it. If he had called 911 right then, I might have cut him a little slack, but he didn't.

66   lostand confused   2014 May 16, 9:40pm  

Shows why America is so messed up. if burglars chose not to break into someone's home-they would be alive and well. Our country is so twisted that it won't assign responsibility to anybody. Did he go overboard-yes. But it was his house into which not one-but two burglars broke in. How would he even know if there were three or four or ten or if they were cannibal anarchists?? it is not like they stopped in the living room, took a TV and ran-they actually came down to the basement-one after the other. Actions have consequences-apparently not in America.

67   Miike   2014 May 17, 12:07am  

lostand confused says

my point is if you are living in your home, alone or with family and have burglars break in-how on earth are supposed to know who they are, how many there are. Maybe he went overboard, but he shot one, then the other comes walking down the basement-for all he knows they could have a loaded semi-automatic. How do you know if one that fell, might not have concealed, get up and come after you while another new burglar is coming from the front??

If he was a cop, this wouldnt even be questioned...

68   justme   2014 May 17, 2:01am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

He'll walk on appeal. These kids got a break. He just killed them. He could have dismembered and sold them piecemeal to organ brokers and harvested them for blood for the rest of their lives and made a few bucks per pint. They were in his house uninvited, after all.

It is going to be tough to be an internet archeologist 100 years from now. One of the big challenges is going to be to recognize the difference between a sinister parody and the ramblings of a bona-fide wingnut. Papers will be published, and tenure earned, I guarantee it.

69   Y   2014 May 17, 11:02pm  

This is the doing of the rabid leftists.
they sit cheering each incident, pounding their knives and forks on their ant infested tofu encrusted checkered tablecloths, egged on by greedy beedy eyed solicitors willing the breakdown of civil society.
Laws to the left mean nothing anymore.
They are against the enforcers, and the enforcement of the whole kit and kaboodle. Anarchy followed by complete socialism is their goal.

lostand confused says

Our country is so twisted that it won't assign responsibility to anybody.

70   Y   2014 May 17, 11:16pm  

Given the same evidence, yes it would have been questioned in the same way.
This is just your personal bias against law enforcement, probably due to some previous incident in your personal history.

Miike says

If he was a cop, this wouldnt even be questioned...

71   lostand confused   2014 May 17, 11:17pm  

SoftShell says

They are against the enforcers, and the enforcement of the whole kit and kaboodle. Anarchy followed by complete socialism is their goal.

When enforcers lie under oath and get away with no consequences-they are not enforcers, but common street thugs working to further their criminal enterprise. When govt exists for the public good-then it is good. When govt exists to extract money from the public to feed itself-then they are no different from thugs.

72   Y   2014 May 17, 11:35pm  

Yes, of course.
You will have that type of corruption in any labor sector. It is pretty much unavoidable unless you want to triple enforcement wage base and double the screening process, choosing only the most veritably honest applicants.
Of course the pool of applicants would not be as large, and your enforcement costs would skyrocket.

lostand confused says

When enforcers lie under oath and get away with no consequences-they are not enforcers, but common street thugs working to further their criminal enterprise.

73   Y   2014 May 17, 11:44pm  

Govt exists for the public good. Unfortunately govt does extract money from the public to feed itself also.
You'd have to spreadsheet all the public good achieved, versus all the money extracted to feed the beast to get a handle on whether the system, as is, is palatable.
Then you'd have to duplicate this feat with the leading countries of the world to see if there is a better system out there, or if ours needs to be tweeked/modified...

Good luck with that project.
lostand confused says

When govt exists for the public good-then it is good. When govt exists to extract money from the public to feed itself-then they are no different from thugs.

74   lostand confused   2014 May 17, 11:55pm  

When cops that break laws are arrested nd thrown in jail as readily as ordinary Americans are-then we will talk. You don't need extra bureaucracy for that-just enforcement of existing law against the enforcers. respect is earned not enforced. As long as cops do their jobs to stop criminals, then the majority will respect them, if they don't and cross over into harassing citizens to feed the beast-as they are now in America-then people will look at them as the thugs they are.

There is a fine line. Till the 1920s we didn't even have an income tax, except for a short period in the 1800s to repay debts from the civil war. If we go back to that, we won't be in these endless wars against drugs or whatever across the globe and be so hungry as to tax the incomes of non resident Americans and threaten foreign banks-the only developed nation to do so. America has become a caricature of itself-the funny thing is that on these issues repubs are even more pro big gubmnt then the dems.

75   Ceffer   2014 May 18, 3:26am  

I don't think the judge liked that he was hawking the snuff video on the courthouse steps in between hearings.

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