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Vicente says

I don't think what kind of shoes the brothers wore, or whether they were on food stamps. or whether they were selling drugs and boosting stereos to pay the bills has dick-all to do with their terrorist bombing.

It doesn't. It's typical right-winger bait-and-switch to try and connect whatever is in the news to one of their pet causes. In this case, eliminating assistance to the poor.

Don't be surprised to see some wingnut post a piece about how cutting taxes for the rich will go a long way toward preventing terrorism.

AverageBear says

Because as it stands now, it's been proven ad nauseum that EBT cards are
being used for booze, drugs, bail, strip clubs, casinos OUT OF STATE.. I guess
you are OK w/ the status quo?

I guess you are OK w/ Deval Patrick protecting the 'privacy' of dead
terrorist welfare dead-beats? Freedom of Information anyone? Hello?

Oh, and finally, I'd will be confirming some good news out of Florida: In
that you have to take a drug test to get welfare benefits. FINALLY! IF this is
true, I hope my state starts to think about enacting this. It's a no-brainer.
One and done. I'll start another thread on this, if confirmed true...

Food stamps has an explicit vendor list that is strictly for food, and only certain types of food also. The EBT card, which I understand is like a debit card, is used by multiple states to pay for whatever programs they have. You automatically assume that it's food stamps or rent assitance, but it is often used to pay people wages, such as paroled convicts. You can thank the republicans for handing that EBT gift to the big banks so they get to siphon off some of that money to maintain their system and it's profits.

But, it's doubtful at best about places like a strip bar, because they have to fill out vendor info to be in the network so the transaction is authorized.

Drug tests? You better be prepared to defend that endeavor and it's application to ALL benefits, to include other forms of welfare/subsidies. Especially considering that most of the fraud in food stamps is by the vendors over-charging/double billing, or adding on extra fees. I personally would find it VERY amusing to make every hayseed-Jethro-farmer/welfare king collecting crop insurance pee in a cup, they're also the ones that pay big money to members of the ag committee too. But who wins with that? The lab/hospital industry???/

finehoe says

It doesn't. It's typical right-winger bait-and-switch to try and connect
whatever is in the news to one of their pet causes. In this case, eliminating
assistance to the poor.

Don't be surprised to see some wingnut post a piece about how cutting taxes
for the rich will go a long way toward preventing terrorism.

Finehoe,

When in this thread did I EVER mention eliminating 'assistance to the poor'? Hmm? I'm talking about Deval Patrick not fixing the broken EBT system here in Massachusetts.... Care to comment or defend Deval Patrick in denying us access to the terrorist welfare records?

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

I was in hardware store today and the guy in front of me was buying a pallet of pressure cookers and dynamite with EBT. I spoke with him on the way out and he was a Methodist who lost his job and found that EBT somehow inspired him to jihad. Otherwise, he knew if he started flipping properties like Jesus wants, he could be a millionaire by now. But it was too late, he admitted, once he'd been radicalized by EBT and unemployment benefits.

................."I was in this housing forum that had a political sub-forum, and I brought up the fact that Deval Patrick is denying anyone from accessing welfare records for a couple of welfare deadbeats that happened to kill 3 people and maimed at least 180 w/2 bombs during the Boston Marathon, then went on to kill an MIT cop execution style in cold blood. I asked why Deval Patrick is denying us the right to view the records of tax-payer funded welfare benefits to these terrorists, and the only replies I got from liberals involved name-calling, false accusations that I wanted to eliminate welfare, and basically ranting off-topic and avoiding the main argument of the thread. But once everyone knew A-FUCK was radicalized by the far left, he was completely unable to discuss the topic in hand, nor give anyone a straight answer as to why he defends Deval Patrick on this topic, or care to defend the fine job that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is doing when it comes to distributing pure cash through a long discussed, obviously flawed EBT system.

Vicente says

I don't think what kind of shoes the brothers wore, or whether they were on
food stamps. or whether they were selling drugs and boosting stereos to pay the
bills has dick-all to do with their terrorist bombing. Perhaps it was Reefer
Madness!

Keep fucking that chicken!

- Avoiding the topic of conversation (Deval Patrick denying access to welfare records). FOI Anyone? - CHECK!

- Name-calling? - CHECK!

- Going on a rant that has nothing to do w/ the topic in this thread? - CHECK CHECK CHECK!

Vic is 3 for 3 when it comes to reading out of the liberal play-book when you can't reply/refute or even want to discuss a topic...

Vic, I STILL have yet to read your thoughts if you defend Deval Patrick in denying us the right to look at the welfare records of a couple of dead-beat terrorists... Instead I get projections of your barnyard fantasies.

finehoe says

In this case, eliminating assistance to the poor.

And I said this when? All credibility is lost when you accuse me of saying things I never did actually say. Now, if you have any clue or substantial comments on my state's failed EBT cash solution, I'm still waiting for some coherent thoughts (but not holding my breath)...

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

I was in hardware store today and the guy in front of me was buying a pallet of pressure cookers and dynamite with EBT. I spoke with him on the way out and he was a Methodist who lost his job and found that EBT somehow inspired him to jihad. Otherwise, he knew if he started flipping properties like Jesus wants, he could be a millionaire by now. But it was too late, he admitted, once he'd been radicalized by EBT and unemployment benefits.

Oh this just cracked me up, made my day. Thanks AF!

upisdown says

Really, how come you don't provide proof???

Because no one asked me.... And if you are too obtuse to realize this, than no amount of links can help you....

AverageBear says

Care to comment or defend Deval Patrick in denying us access to the terrorist welfare records?

Just what do you expect those records to reveal other than the Tsarnaev's qualified for public assistance? The answer is absolutely nothing, it's just another meaningless knownothing right-wing diversion (Benghazi! Benghazi!).

AverageBear says

Because no one asked me.... And if you are too obtuse to realize this, than
no amount of links can help you....

OK then, where's the proof? Is that a good enough and formal enough request?

AverageBear says

All credibility is lost when you accuse me of saying things I never did actually say

And your credibility is lost if you don't even know the reasoning behind the neofascist drivel you mindlessly parrot.

We need a future crimes unit.

Quigley says

So we have a responsible father shortage.

Wait a minute. this sentence could be (mis)interpreted as men are the cause of this problem. this is not true.

takes two to tangle.

maybe there are quite a few female legs that spread too easily...

Mark D says

maybe there are quite a few female legs that spread too easily...

That Burka covers up SLUUUUTS!

They wear burkas because everything from the top of their ass crack down and around up to their eye brows is one enormous fur pelt.

Not to mention neanderthal legs.

When they take the burkas off, there is always a rash of Yeti sightings.

Quigley says

I agree. So we have a responsible father shortage. Which means that a new generation of boys grow up to believe that this is how things are done. They perpetuate the cycle with the girls of their generation, and on and on it goes. Sorry if this applies to any hood you know of already.

Meanwhile girls are taught that they don't need a man (they have the government to support them), and that marriage is totally optional for having kids, and to expect impossible and contradictory things from any man stupid enough to commit to them. Which of course will drive away when it becomes too much to deal with, creating yet another broken home that the governmental have to pay for. It's a failed model, but our broken culture is pushing it full steam ahead!

Understanding the downside of the welfare culture is one thing.

Addressing it in a realistic way is quite another. People blame "the liberals" but we have a system that doesn't have enough jobs, let alone jobs that cover the cost of living.

The welfare system is the sorry ass way that we redistribute from those that make far far above the cost of living. (except we don't really, it's just part (not even close to the biggest part), of our deficit spending).

We need higher, more progressive taxes is the real issue. Put people to work, for a little more than what they get on welfare. Give them a little dignity, and that would undue the viscous cycle you're talking about.

What's your solution? Shanty towns ?

finehoe says

Just what do you expect those records to reveal other than the Tsarnaev's qualified for public assistance? The answer is absolutely nothing, it's just another meaningless knownothing right-wing diversion (Benghazi! Benghazi!).

Yep.

And why aren't right wingers embarrassed by the sheer stupidity of this type of bogus issue ?

I think we know why.

marcus says

The welfare system is the sorry ass way that we redistribute from those that
make far far above the cost of living. (except we don't really, it's just part
(not even close to the biggest part), of our deficit spending).

I see it as a shitty way to make up for incomes and it's taken 2-3 decades to get this free-market utopia that the right wing, and big and small business wanted. Why pay more if the government will make up the difference in what it costs to survive(and survive poorly at that). This is WalMart's business philosophy, and they carry it out every day, in every store in every state.

Also, every bit of food stamps, and rent support, goes to a private entitiy or individual, and PROFITS are made in the process. Ironically quite a few of the people that collect those profiits from the disparity of people, BITCH about it too. How much economic activity/GDP is generated by transfer and increased demand because of those food stamps/section 8 assistance, not to mention that the prices for such are often inflated because of the government paying the bill.

And now..... we know the rest of the story.

So now we understand why Deval Patrick tried to 'hide' the welfare records from the public. I guess when you champion a flawed EBT/welfare system, where it had no problem dispensing around $100K to dead-beats who were on a terrorist FBI watch list over a 2 year period, you hide it till someone mentions that you are breaking the law. Bravo, Massachusetts. You've displayed to the world how proud you are of your flawed welfare system.

So before you lie about what I said (finehoe), or project your barn-yard fantasies to change the subject (Vic), or completely ignore the topic at hand (A-Fuck), take a peek at the link below. Anyone care to comment on the failed/flawed welfare system that "Patrick's Board of Unhinged Liberals" care to comment on? Please spare me the neo-fascist name-calling bullshit. Spare me the off-topic "GOP sucks" comments. Anyone care to comment or defend why Massachusett's welfare system is A-OK, flawed or otherwise? Anyone think it needs improving?

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits

http://beforeitsnews.com/scandals/2013/04/bombshell-fbi-whistleblower-reveals-cia-ran-the-boston-bombers-2431212.html

AverageBear says

Anyone think it needs improving?

Obviously the MA welfare agency needs complete and comprehensive investigative powers over every resident of the state so that every person is subject to a no-holds-barred background check. The HHS should hook into the databases of the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, Interpol, the KGB, and everyone who applies for welfare should have their phones tapped, their mail opened, their every move recorded before their application is even considered.

upisdown says

But, it's doubtful at best about places like a strip bar, because they have
to fill out vendor info to be in the network so the transaction is
authorized.

you are 100% wrong about EBT, it can be cashed out .. CASH is then used however the worthless fuck wants to use it .. buy beer, drugs, pussy, whatever. And the EBT cards have been used on vacations, casinos, and strip clubs. Deal with it. Welfare is the gangsters meal ticket. Section 8, WIC, EBT, HeadStart, free medical, free dental, free legal, free meds, bus pass, and free college education .... all placed in the lap of the gangsters baby mama, just for getting knocked up at the king-sin-yetta. And the gangsta daddy lives happy ever after.

finehoe says

Obviously the MA welfare agency needs complete and comprehensive
investigative powers over every resident of the state so that every person is
subject to a no-holds-barred background check. The HHS should hook into the
databases of the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, Interpol, the KGB, and everyone who applies
for welfare should have their phones tapped, their mail opened, their every move
recorded before their application is even considered.

nope, just end all forced wealth transfers and the faith-based groups will take care of things. If you cant do that, then just drug test the takers.

Bap33 says

you are 100% wrong about EBT, it can be cashed out .. CASH

You're claiming that I said something that I didn't. I never once said a thing about "cash out" anything, you did.

Try again moron, and this time try reading what I posted above before you make yourself look stupid.

Bap33 says

And the EBT cards have been used on vacations, casinos, and strip clubs.

I would say prove it, but you can't, or won't, and then the anecdotes will change to some other bullshit rant. But that's what you and other dumbshit extremists do, you lie your way along to make some sort of a point while actually exposing your stupidity about things in the real world.

finehoe says

Obviously the MA welfare agency needs complete and comprehensive investigative powers over every resident of the state so that every person is subject to a no-holds-barred background check. The HHS should hook into the databases of the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, Interpol, the KGB, and everyone who applies for welfare should have their phones tapped, their mail opened, their every move recorded before their application is even considered.

Should be used since we seen IRS scammed for $21 BILLION dollars by criminal organization. And of course some of this could have gone to the poor..

Have a read...

THERE ARE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN UNDETECTED TAX REFUND FRAUD RESULTING FROM IDENTITY THEFT
http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2012reports/201242080fr.html

Billions Lost in Tax-Refund Scam

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577309854181227634.html

Federal authorities are struggling to crack down on what they describe as a widespread scheme that has already likely defrauded the Internal Revenue Service of billions of dollars using the stolen identities of Puerto Rican citizens.

The perpetrators of the scheme, authorities say, swipe the Social Security numbers of Puerto Rican citizens, who don't have to pay federal income tax—and are less likely to be on the IRS radar—and use their information to file fake returns. In some cases, they enlist U.S. mail carriers to intercept the refund checks that are disbursed.

The plot, which includes participants from around the U.S. and Latin America, has been around for at least five years. Prosecutors have obtained multiple convictions but none involving those believed to be among the top players in the operation, according to several people briefed on investigations into the fraud.

Bap33 says

And the EBT cards have been used on vacations, casinos, and strip clubs. Deal
with it.

Wrong, as usual. Here's the link to the MA site that says SPECIFICALLY what can't be bought or things paid for with the EBT card.

http://www.massresources.org/tafdc-use-benefits.html

Are there rules about what I can buy with my cash benefits?
What you cannot buy:

You are not allowed to use your DTA cash benefits to pay for any of the following products and services:

•alcoholic beverages
•tobacco products
•lottery tickets
•sexually explicit material
•firearms or ammunition
•vacation services
•tattoos, body art, or piercings
•jewelry
•court-ordered fees or penalties, including bail or bail bonds
•gambling
If you purchase any of these items with your cash benefits, you will be required to pay back the amount you spent. For a second offense, you will also lose your cash benefits for two months; and for a third offense, you will lose your cash benefits permanently. See EBT Card Restrictions: What You Cannot Buy - English and Spanish for more information.

Where you cannot shop:

Some types of businesses are not allowed to accept EBT payments in their shops:

•liquor stores
•adult bookstores or entertainment
•cruise ships
•firearms and ammunition dealers
•tattoo parlors
•manicure shops
•jewelry stores
•rent-to-own stores
Stores that violate these rules can be fined. See Where You Can't Shop With Your EBT Card - English and Spanish for more information.

upisdown says

Here's the link to the MA site that says SPECIFICALLY what can't be bought or things paid for with the EBT card.

Pressure cookers aren't on that list, so obviously EBT is a failure and should be shut down immediately.

And impeach Deval Patrick for not personally blocking the Tasrnaev brother’s internet access, which DIRECTLY led to their radicalization.

finehoe says

Pressure cookers aren't on that list, so obviously EBT is a failure and should be shut down immediately.

Also need to disallow:
fireworks
clocks or timers
remote control toys

upisdown says

Wrong, as usual. Here's the link to the MA site that says SPECIFICALLY what can't be bought or things paid for with the EBT card.

and the reality is far different. remarkable some ignore widespread fraud.

Food stamp fraud on rise in Brockton, across state

http://www.enterprisenews.com/answerbook/brockton/x2053821980/Food-stamp-fraud-on-rise

“This trafficking EBT cards has become a professional crime ring here in Massachusetts and I’m sure all over the country as well,” state Rep. Shaunna O’Connell, R-Taunton, said Friday. “I think the abuse is far more widespread than anyone knows of at this point.”

On Thursday, state police detectives assigned to the Middleton’s office assisted Brockton police in executing five search warrants and eight arrest warrants for trafficking food stamps and larceny.

The stores involved and charged with trafficking food stamps were 28 Corner Convenience (B&D Mart), 95 Montello St.; JP Communications, 69 North Montello St.; Lucky Dollar, 284 North Main St.; Rice’s Market, 769 North Main St.; and Dip N Sip, 235 North Main St.

The investigation found the store owners and clerks were engaging in a scheme that involved illegally exchanging food stamps for cash, according to the district attorney’s office.

On several occasions since May, undercover officers would go into the stores and present electronic benefit transfer (EBT) cards to the clerk. The clerk would swipe the customer’s card, pretending the customer bought groceries and then give them cash, said authorities.

For example, if the EBT customer wanted $50 cash, the store owner would swipe the card for $100, which would be credited to the store, and then give the customer the cash in exchange.

remarkable....

Report: Thousands of dead people receiving food stamps

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-thousands-of-dead-people-receiving-food-stamps

According to a report released by Senator James Coburn (R-OK), approximately 2,000 dead people in New York and Massachusetts are receiving food stamps, CNS News reported Thursday.

"The USDA Inspector General found roughly 2,000 dead people are still receiving food stamps in New York and Massachusetts combined," the report said, citing USDA findings from April and June 2012.

Yea, truly remarkable, because after a year of inactivity(per the Mass. site that I linked to above), they automatically are un-enrolled from the system. So, who is still using the card then?

LOL, Are you just plain stupid, or just really slow?

upisdown says

Especially considering that most of the fraud in food stamps is by the vendors
over-charging/double billing, or adding on extra fees.

And here's what I posted on Friday about food stamp fraud.

thomaswong.1986 says

The stores involved and charged with trafficking food stamps were 28 Corner
Convenience (B&D Mart), 95 Montello St.; JP Communications, 69 North
Montello St.; Lucky Dollar, 284 North Main St.; Rice’s Market, 769 North Main
St.; and Dip N Sip, 235 North Main St.

The investigation found the store owners and clerks were engaging in a scheme
that involved illegally exchanging food stamps for cash, according to the
district attorney’s office.

thomaswong.1986 says

Report: Thousands of dead people receiving food stamps

The REAL problem isn't the Tsaernaev Welfare Babies, it's the fact it is a government conspiracy from top to bottom. Their financial support is just the first layer of the onion.

upisdown says

Wrong, as usual. Here's the link to the MA site that says SPECIFICALLY what
can't be bought or things paid for with the EBT card.

wrong you are - again. The EBT can be used to access fucking CASH. With CASH you do what you want. No need to lie. Own it.

Here's your first post of nonsense where YOU claimed that the EBT card was supposedly used for:

Bap33 says

And the EBT cards have been used on vacations, casinos, and strip clubs. Deal
with it.

Then after I proved you to be a lyin' sack of shit, you change your dogma to somehow cover your ass, although that opportunity is long gone. Who didn't see THAT coming? LOL

Bap33 says

wrong you are - again. The EBT can be used to access fucking CASH. With CASH you
do what you want. No need to lie. Own

I almost forgot who, or what more like, I really was dealing with. Oh well, the post count is up to 74 now, and it's mostly populated with moronic poo. You're vindicated.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/20085789/state-issued-debit-cards-used-at-atms-at-bars-casinos-strip-clubs

Bap33 says

http://www.wfsb.com/story/20085789/state-issued-debit-cards-used-at-atms-at-bars-casinos-strip-clubs

Wrong state, dumbass. Why am I not surprised.

But did you bother to see what else is done with state-issued debit cards??

State Tax Refunds To Be Issued In Form Of Debit Cards Instead Of Checks

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/01/30/state-tax-refunds-to-be-issued-in-form-of-debit-cards-instead-of-checks/

From the article:
Instead of refund checks, this year Connecticut state income taxpayers who decide against having the refund deposited directly into their bank accounts will receive debit cards, instead.

upisdown says

they automatically are un-enrolled from the system.

so the auditors found the opposite to be true.. dead are still enrolled in the system.

how do you explain this ?

thomaswong.1986 says

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-thousands-of-dead-people-receiving-food-stamps

According to a report released by Senator James Coburn (R-OK), approximately
2,000 dead people in New York and Massachusetts are receiving food stamps, CNS
News reported Thursday.

"The USDA Inspector General found roughly 2,000 dead people are still
receiving food stamps in New York and Massachusetts combined," the report said,
citing USDA findings from April and June 2012.

It's not on me to prove anything, it's on YOU because YOU made the claim.
Here's the paste from the Mass site:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How do I use my SNAP EBT card?
To use your SNAP EBT card to pay for food at the food store checkout, slide your card through the card reader, then enter your four-digit Personal Identification Number (PIN) on the keypad and press the "Enter" or "OK" button. This automatically subtracts the cost of your food from your SNAP food stamps EBT account. (If the store does not have a card reader or it is not working, the cashier can fill out a form for you to sign.)

Whenever you buy food with your card, your receipt will show the amount of money left in your SNAP EBT account. You can also call EBT Customer Service at 1-800-997-2555 to get your EBT balance.

Note: Massachusetts does not yet have online access to personal EBT information such as transactions or EBT balance. For updates, see Online EBT SNAP Accounts on the USDA web site.

If you do not use all of your SNAP benefits for a month, they will carry over to the next month. However, if you do not use any of your SNAP food stamps for a full year, DTA will assume you do not need SNAP food stamps and will cancel any benefits still in your account.

If you have any problem with your EBT card, you should call EBT Customer Service at 1-800-997-2555.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.massresources.org/snap-use-benefits.html

upisdown says

It's not on me to prove anything, it's on YOU because YOU made the claim

and here you have it...

"The USDA Inspector General found roughly 2,000 dead people are still
receiving food stamps in New York and Massachusetts combined," the report said,
citing USDA findings from April and June 2012.

You fail to understand the system was 'hacked' and controls bypassed to allow abuse
to occur. So instead of fixing it .. you look the other way.