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If someone wants to build a bomb, welfare or not they'll find a way to scrape enough cash to build one. I think this is a pointless cause and a waste of time.

Morality is the issue, not the welfare.

FortWayne says

Morality is the issue, not the welfare.

Exactly. Is it moral to lie, cheat and steal someone else's that $$ you aren't entitled to?

Or put it another way. Regardless of how a terrorist scrapes the $$ to buy the bomb parts, it sounds like you are OK w/ terrorists getting our tax dollars (to spend it any way they want), just as long as they don't use the $$ to blow up the same people who gave it to them? You're cool w/ that scenario? Doesn't seem very moral to me, even if they don't blow people up...

FortWayne says

Morality is the issue, not the welfare.

It looks like you definition of morality has many flavors, shades and hues. Which to me is a major character flaw. To me , morality is black/white, right/wrong. You can't 'bend' morailty to your liking for certain arguments, only to change your 'flavor' of morality in a different argument.... Stealing is stealing. By the sounds of your logic, a woman can be 'a little pregnant'......

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

That's right! It's a liberal welfare-funded bomb. The welfare bombers prove
that all entitlement recipients are terrorists!

That's right! Project, project, project until you drown out the main topic of the argument. HOOORAAAY!!!!

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

That's right! It's a liberal welfare-funded bomb. The welfare bombers prove that all entitlement recipients are terrorists!

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Did ya' happen to read the last few words??....

....."If any liberal STILL doesn't agree that welfare reform should happen here in Massachusetts (photo ID, EBT cards only work in Supermarkets, ie, not a 'cash-card', IN-STATE use only), I'd love to hear your ignorance....

It's about welfare/EBT reform here in MASS, and yes, I'm using our tragedy to bring this failure in our state gov't up again. Like Obama/Rham sez, never let a good crisis go to waste

AverageBear says

To me , morality is black/white, right/wrong.

Yes, it's always wrong to steal...unless you are taking food to feed your starving children.

Yes, it's always wrong to lie...unless you are doing it to spare someone's feelings.

Yes, it's always wrong to kill...unless you are doing it in self-defense.

Do "conservatives" really believe everything is always black & white? No wonder they hate facts and science so much.

Our only hope for safety is to return to a form of Bronze-age feudalism

You can't be serious with this! How do you consider that safety?

Safety is tens of thousands of heavily armed and armored police and other mutations of military defense, roaming this great countrys streets, enforcing 24/7 lockdown.plowing down suspicious buildings with tanks and fire bombing a one mile radius of any location containing a pressure cookers, or backpacks. Juiced up neo nazis brandishing machine guns, commanded by the duty to maintain safety, by spraying anything that moves with hundred of rounds of ammunition

Why do you hate freedom?

Deval Patrick should be in jail for the massive financial fraud that Ameriquest committed while he was on the BOD. Worse than Countrywide.

It's all so funny because it's true!

Blurtman says

Deval Patrick should be in jail for the massive financial fraud that Ameriquest committed while he was on the BOD.

Maybe he and Rick Scott can share a cell.

finehoe says

AverageBear says

To me , morality is black/white, right/wrong.

Yes, it's always wrong to steal...unless you are taking food to feed your starving children.

Yes, it's always wrong to lie...unless you are doing it to spare someone's feelings.

Yes, it's always wrong to kill...unless you are doing it in self-defense.

Do "conservatives" really believe everything is always black & white? No wonder they hate facts and science so much.

Feel free to dilute your long, uninspiring 'human life experience' reply w/ things that have nothing to do w/ EBT cash fraud in Mass.... Instead, think about these questions...

"Is it wrong to lie about the state you live in, so you can collect welfare in multiple states that you don't even live in?"

"Is it wrong to use your EBT benefits (you know, meant for food/diapers/formula) on out of state casinos, lap dances, bail $$, drugs, booze, nail salons, Western Union transfers to wire tax payer $$ out of the state/country altogether?"

"Is it wrong to use your EBT benefits to possibly make a bomb to kill the taxpayers you stole from? Or use the $$ to fly outside the country that will get you 'close and personal' with those that will teach you the ways of terrorism?"

I hope this crushes Deval. I think our gov't could have done a better job in thwarting these bombers, and now Deval is protecting their 'privacy'. TOO FUCKIN' HILARIOUS! Only in Massachusetts.

*yawn*

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Oswald collected unemployment benefits therefore the most important cause of presidential assassination is unemployment insurance.

Jeffrey Dahmer went to public school. Taxpayer funded education causes cannibalism! Yes, cannibalism!

The beltway sniper used taxpayer funded roads to travel to murder people. Public roads = murder!

It's all so clear now! Our only hope for safety is to return to a form of Bronze-age feudalism.

Soooooo, long stort short. Sounds like you are Ok w/ Deval Patrick defending the 'privacy' of these terrorists.... aaaand that you have a problem w/ the fact that maybe, just maybe, we can find a better way to keep $$ from those that are cheating the system, (or those that want to blow us up)...

AverageBear says

.... aaaand that you have a problem w/ the fact that maybe, just maybe, we can
find a better way to keep $$ from those that are cheating the system, (or those
that want to blow us up)...

I agree, I'm all for keeping the white, right wing extremists from collecting food stamps. When I went to the USDA website, white, rural people, especially in the south are the biggest chunk of recipients of food stamps,and also the group that the most extremists are from too.

A SINGLE MUSLIM MAD BOMBER, much less TWO of them, is more than enough for us to indict the entire welfare system. If a bunch of sniveling brats go hungry, well so be it.

I've also heard one of them was pothead and a DEALER. We need the death penalty for anyone found with marijuana. We need Judges not afraid to enforce it.

AverageBear says

Did ya' happen to read the last few words??....

....."If any liberal STILL doesn't agree that welfare reform should happen
here in Massachusetts (photo ID, EBT cards only work in Supermarkets, ie, not a
'cash-card', IN-STATE use only), I'd love to hear your ignorance....

Ignorance, or bliss? Or are you just one big liar, and a terrible one at that.

From the USDA website:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/retailers/merchants.htm

This page is for retailers – owners and employees of retail food stores. The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is administered by the USDA Food and Nutrition Service through its nationwide network of FNS field offices. FNS field offices are responsible for the licensing and monitoring of retail food stores participating in SNAP.

And:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/retailers/store-eligibility.htm

RETAIL STORE ELIGIBILITY
USDA SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM
To be eligible as a store in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), your store(s) must sell food for home preparation and consumption and meet one of the criteria below:

(A) Offer for sale, on a continuous basis, at least three varieties of qualifying foods in each of the following four staple food groups, with perishable foods in at least two of the categories:
meat, poultry or fish
bread or cereal
vegetables or fruits
dairy products

OR

(B) More than one-half (50%) of the total dollar amount of all retail sales (food, nonfood, gas and services) sold in the store must be from the sale of eligible staple foods.

AverageBear says

"Is it wrong to use your EBT benefits (you know, meant for
food/diapers/formula) on out of state casinos, lap dances, bail $$, drugs,
booze, nail salons, Western Union transfers to wire tax payer $$ out of the
state/country altogether?"

From the USDA website again:

Can I buy Diapers or Baby Wipes with my SNAP benefits?
Published 07/08/2011 03:46 PM | Updated 07/29/2011 04:40 PM

No you cannot use your SNAP benefits to buy baby diapers or baby wipes. SNAP benefits can only be used to purchase any food or food product for home consumption. This also includes seeds and plants which produce food for consumption. Click here for more information.

What foods can I buy with SNAP benefits?
http://asktheexpert.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5261/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzY2OTI2NDQ4L3NpZC9PMjV0QkRvbA%3D%3D

What's next, some bitching about the mythical Obama phones that Bush actually made happen???????

Usda food and NUTRITION service

Lolololololol

These are the same people that reccomend that citizens consume bread and grains, which we all know, are the anti food, responsible for the majority of health disorders plagueing modern man

robertoaribas says

single mothers who don't get child support of ANY race are the biggest food stamp demographic.

I agree. So we have a responsible father shortage. Which means that a new generation of boys grow up to believe that this is how things are done. They perpetuate the cycle with the girls of their generation, and on and on it goes. Sorry if this applies to any hood you know of already.
Meanwhile girls are taught that they don't need a man (they have the government to support them), and that marriage is totally optional for having kids, and to expect impossible and contradictory things from any man stupid enough to commit to them. Which of course will drive away when it becomes too much to deal with, creating yet another broken home that the governmental have to pay for. It's a failed model, but our broken culture is pushing it full steam ahead!

AverageBear says

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

That's right! It's a liberal welfare-funded bomb. The welfare bombers prove

that all entitlement recipients are terrorists!

That's right! Project, project, project until you drown out the main topic of the argument. HOOORAAAY!!!!

Well, isn't your whole argument that all welfare recipients are terrorists? You don't really have anything else there...

I am sure you do realize that they did not know that he was a terrorist, until recently he was just an average wife beater redneck from Chechnya.

FortWayne says

Well, isn't your whole argument that all welfare recipients are terrorists?
You don't really have anything else there...

I am sure you do realize that they did not know that he was a terrorist,
until recently he was just an average wife beater redneck from Chechnya.

Ummmmmm, no. Wrong, wrong, and wrong. You say ..."Well, isn't your whole argument that all welfare recipients are terrorists? You don't really have anything else there.".......I don't have anything in this area, because I am nowhere near that area... Keep reading...

The terrorists on welfare only reminds us....

1) How fucked up the state EBT/Welfare solution is here in Mass.
1A... How my state has no fuckin' clue as to who is getting benefits, and for how long. (or is pleading ignorance, and is lying, which is even scarier)
1B....How my state EBT 'cash out' solution is totally incompetent in it's design and deployment.

2) How nobody, especially Deval Patrick wants to fix our broke EBT solution, or TALK about fixing it.

3) Yes, Martha, there REALLY are bad people that cheat/lie to get $$ and entitlements that they don't deserve.

4) Deval's refusal to allow anyone to look up the welfare records of of a dead terrorist. Privacy rules no longer apply to the dead-beats who are dead. Even dead terrorist dead-beats.

The last points screams "Freedom of Information" (FOI) violations. I guess FOI rights only apply if you are a liberal.

And my final question to you: Do you approve Deval's action of blocking the welfare records of a dead terrorist? It sounds like you do...

Quigley says

robertoaribas says

single mothers who don't get child support of ANY race are the biggest food stamp demographic.

I agree. So we have a responsible father shortage. Which means that a new generation of boys grow up to believe that this is how things are done. They perpetuate the cycle with the girls of their generation, and on and on it goes. Sorry if this applies to any hood you know of already.
Meanwhile girls are taught that they don't need a man (they have the government to support them), and that marriage is totally optional for having kids, and to expect impossible and contradictory things from any man stupid enough to commit to them. Which of course will drive away when it becomes too much to deal with, creating yet another broken home that the governmental have to pay for. It's a failed model, but our broken culture is pushing it full steam ahead!

BINGO! The "Dad Shortage" is the major reason for MANY of our social problems. When "Baby-Mommas" of all colors know that the gubmint will pay for their behavior, why stop? Many politicians on both sides of the isle seem to perpetuate this 'new accepted norm'. Patrick Moynahan was an oracle to this problem that got mild attention, but is now long forgotten..... And this thread just strengthens my argument that my govenor (who happens to be Democrat, big surprise there) has no intention of changing the new 'plantation mentality'....

upisdown says

From the USDA website again:

Can I buy Diapers or Baby Wipes with my SNAP benefits?
Published
07/08/2011 03:46 PM | Updated 07/29/2011 04:40 PM

No you cannot use your SNAP benefits to buy baby diapers or baby wipes. SNAP
benefits can only be used to purchase any food or food product for home
consumption. This also includes seeds and plants which produce food for
consumption. Click here for more information.

What foods can I buy with SNAP benefits?
http://asktheexpert.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5261/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzY2OTI2NDQ4L3NpZC9PMjV0QkRvbA%3D%3D

What's next, some bitching about the mythical Obama phones that Bush actually
made happen???????

Is this a state or Federal program? If state, it sounds like you are so narrow-minded that we can't change the rules to include diapers? We can't change the rules to include a photo ID of the EBT card? We can't change the rules so that the EBT card can only be used in a supermarket?

Because as it stands now, it's been proven ad nauseum that EBT cards are being used for booze, drugs, bail, strip clubs, casinos OUT OF STATE.. I guess you are OK w/ the status quo?

I guess you are OK w/ Deval Patrick protecting the 'privacy' of dead terrorist welfare dead-beats? Freedom of Information anyone? Hello?

Oh, and finally, I'd will be confirming some good news out of Florida: In that you have to take a drug test to get welfare benefits. FINALLY! IF this is true, I hope my state starts to think about enacting this. It's a no-brainer. One and done. I'll start another thread on this, if confirmed true...

AverageBear says

BINGO! The "Dad Shortage" is the major reason for MANY of our social problems.
When "Baby-Mommas" of all colors know that the gubmint will pay for their
behavior, why stop?

Really, how come you don't provide proof??? Because we both know that the USDA doesn't track the marriage or other status of the "under 18 children". There are stats as to single women and single men, but none as to the parents. You should really read more about it(and other things) because maybe then you wouldn't look so freaking stupid.

You're just another lyin', right wing moron.

Vicente says

A SINGLE MUSLIM MAD BOMBER, much less TWO of them, is more than enough for us to
indict the entire welfare system.

No, and wrong again, Vic. You seem to agree that the current status quo is OK, and that we are incapable of changing the severely flawed design and deployment of my state's EBT 'cash out' solution.

Putting words in my mouth, saying we need to scrap the welfare system over Muslim terrorists is disingenuous at best.

But then again, from the way you want to avoid the topic of conversation, it sounds like you are OK w/ Deval Patrick protecting the 'privacy' of a dead, dead-beat terrorist that was on welfare. Freedom of Information anyone? I guess only if you are a liberal.

Vic, I'd really want to know if you are Ok w/ Deval's decision on denying us this info? Thoughts?

AverageBear says

Did ya' happen to read the last few words??....

....."If any liberal STILL doesn't agree that welfare reform should happen here in Massachusetts (photo ID, EBT cards only work in Supermarkets, ie, not a 'cash-card', IN-STATE use only), I'd love to hear your ignorance....

It's about welfare/EBT reform here in MASS, and yes, I'm using our tragedy to bring this failure in our state gov't up again. Like Obama/Rham sez, never let a good crisis go to waste

Sorry AB, some here on Pnet dont believe in reform and fixing problems ...

Gov Patrick, Please open the welfare books on all the Rep/Con/Teas & Right wing radicals.

AverageBear says

And my final question to you: Do you approve Deval's action of blocking the welfare records of a dead terrorist? It sounds like you do...

I don't know, I don't understand the issue. I assume it should be fine to make it public record, after all if I'm paying for it I want to know where it's going.

But the fact that our government is incompetent and doesn't care to solve problems or fix itself... that's always been that way. Government always cared only for itself. I don't like that it is that way, but without completely destroying it I don't see a way to get it fixed.

FortWayne says

I don't know, I don't understand the issue. I assume it should be fine to
make it public record, after all if I'm paying for it I want to know where it's
going.

That's the spirit!!!!! FULL DISCLOSURE of ALL USDA spending, including the farm subsidy amounts that republicans blocked from being disclosed in 2000.

Hey, if the EWG site and database can disclose all the right wing welfare queens, take it one step further and disclose all food stamp recipients, along with the vendors that sell to them. That way things can be cross-checked to see if the big profiteers of the food stamp program are actually paying taxes on that revenue and profits, while stopping waste and fraud/abuse by the recipients.

All, or nothing. Who will scream the loudest against it, the left, or the right?????????

AverageBear says

No, and wrong again, Vic. You seem to agree that the current status quo is OK,

I don't think what kind of shoes the brothers wore, or whether they were on food stamps. or whether they were selling drugs and boosting stereos to pay the bills has dick-all to do with their terrorist bombing. Perhaps it was Reefer Madness!

Keep fucking that chicken!

Vicente says

I don't think what kind of shoes the brothers wore, or whether they were on food stamps. or whether they were selling drugs and boosting stereos to pay the bills has dick-all to do with their terrorist bombing.

It doesn't. It's typical right-winger bait-and-switch to try and connect whatever is in the news to one of their pet causes. In this case, eliminating assistance to the poor.

Don't be surprised to see some wingnut post a piece about how cutting taxes for the rich will go a long way toward preventing terrorism.

AverageBear says

Because as it stands now, it's been proven ad nauseum that EBT cards are
being used for booze, drugs, bail, strip clubs, casinos OUT OF STATE.. I guess
you are OK w/ the status quo?

I guess you are OK w/ Deval Patrick protecting the 'privacy' of dead
terrorist welfare dead-beats? Freedom of Information anyone? Hello?

Oh, and finally, I'd will be confirming some good news out of Florida: In
that you have to take a drug test to get welfare benefits. FINALLY! IF this is
true, I hope my state starts to think about enacting this. It's a no-brainer.
One and done. I'll start another thread on this, if confirmed true...

Food stamps has an explicit vendor list that is strictly for food, and only certain types of food also. The EBT card, which I understand is like a debit card, is used by multiple states to pay for whatever programs they have. You automatically assume that it's food stamps or rent assitance, but it is often used to pay people wages, such as paroled convicts. You can thank the republicans for handing that EBT gift to the big banks so they get to siphon off some of that money to maintain their system and it's profits.

But, it's doubtful at best about places like a strip bar, because they have to fill out vendor info to be in the network so the transaction is authorized.

Drug tests? You better be prepared to defend that endeavor and it's application to ALL benefits, to include other forms of welfare/subsidies. Especially considering that most of the fraud in food stamps is by the vendors over-charging/double billing, or adding on extra fees. I personally would find it VERY amusing to make every hayseed-Jethro-farmer/welfare king collecting crop insurance pee in a cup, they're also the ones that pay big money to members of the ag committee too. But who wins with that? The lab/hospital industry???/

finehoe says

It doesn't. It's typical right-winger bait-and-switch to try and connect
whatever is in the news to one of their pet causes. In this case, eliminating
assistance to the poor.

Don't be surprised to see some wingnut post a piece about how cutting taxes
for the rich will go a long way toward preventing terrorism.

Finehoe,

When in this thread did I EVER mention eliminating 'assistance to the poor'? Hmm? I'm talking about Deval Patrick not fixing the broken EBT system here in Massachusetts.... Care to comment or defend Deval Patrick in denying us access to the terrorist welfare records?

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

I was in hardware store today and the guy in front of me was buying a pallet of pressure cookers and dynamite with EBT. I spoke with him on the way out and he was a Methodist who lost his job and found that EBT somehow inspired him to jihad. Otherwise, he knew if he started flipping properties like Jesus wants, he could be a millionaire by now. But it was too late, he admitted, once he'd been radicalized by EBT and unemployment benefits.

................."I was in this housing forum that had a political sub-forum, and I brought up the fact that Deval Patrick is denying anyone from accessing welfare records for a couple of welfare deadbeats that happened to kill 3 people and maimed at least 180 w/2 bombs during the Boston Marathon, then went on to kill an MIT cop execution style in cold blood. I asked why Deval Patrick is denying us the right to view the records of tax-payer funded welfare benefits to these terrorists, and the only replies I got from liberals involved name-calling, false accusations that I wanted to eliminate welfare, and basically ranting off-topic and avoiding the main argument of the thread. But once everyone knew A-FUCK was radicalized by the far left, he was completely unable to discuss the topic in hand, nor give anyone a straight answer as to why he defends Deval Patrick on this topic, or care to defend the fine job that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is doing when it comes to distributing pure cash through a long discussed, obviously flawed EBT system.

Vicente says

I don't think what kind of shoes the brothers wore, or whether they were on
food stamps. or whether they were selling drugs and boosting stereos to pay the
bills has dick-all to do with their terrorist bombing. Perhaps it was Reefer
Madness!

Keep fucking that chicken!

- Avoiding the topic of conversation (Deval Patrick denying access to welfare records). FOI Anyone? - CHECK!

- Name-calling? - CHECK!

- Going on a rant that has nothing to do w/ the topic in this thread? - CHECK CHECK CHECK!

Vic is 3 for 3 when it comes to reading out of the liberal play-book when you can't reply/refute or even want to discuss a topic...

Vic, I STILL have yet to read your thoughts if you defend Deval Patrick in denying us the right to look at the welfare records of a couple of dead-beat terrorists... Instead I get projections of your barnyard fantasies.

finehoe says

In this case, eliminating assistance to the poor.

And I said this when? All credibility is lost when you accuse me of saying things I never did actually say. Now, if you have any clue or substantial comments on my state's failed EBT cash solution, I'm still waiting for some coherent thoughts (but not holding my breath)...

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

I was in hardware store today and the guy in front of me was buying a pallet of pressure cookers and dynamite with EBT. I spoke with him on the way out and he was a Methodist who lost his job and found that EBT somehow inspired him to jihad. Otherwise, he knew if he started flipping properties like Jesus wants, he could be a millionaire by now. But it was too late, he admitted, once he'd been radicalized by EBT and unemployment benefits.

Oh this just cracked me up, made my day. Thanks AF!

upisdown says

Really, how come you don't provide proof???

Because no one asked me.... And if you are too obtuse to realize this, than no amount of links can help you....

AverageBear says

Care to comment or defend Deval Patrick in denying us access to the terrorist welfare records?

Just what do you expect those records to reveal other than the Tsarnaev's qualified for public assistance? The answer is absolutely nothing, it's just another meaningless knownothing right-wing diversion (Benghazi! Benghazi!).

AverageBear says

Because no one asked me.... And if you are too obtuse to realize this, than
no amount of links can help you....

OK then, where's the proof? Is that a good enough and formal enough request?