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Please! The demoidiots and the liberals have already ruin this country and you are complaining about the right. Please be objective because this nation will go under, under this government and if you are not complaining then you have serious issues. Just look around you!

Bobpak says

under this government and if you are not complaining then you have serious issues.

Quote of the year, and I don't care what your political affiliation is.

The best part of this is that Republicans and a lot of conservatives still don't get it. They have absolutely no clue why they lost while everyone else sees it clear as a bell- even some of the Republicans.

If this forum is any sort of indication then its their election to lose in 2016 as well.

edvard2 says

The best part of this is that Republicans and a lot of conservatives still don't get it. They have absolutely no clue why they lost while everyone else sees it clear as a bell- even some of the Republicans.

If this forum is any sort of indication then its their election to lose in 2016 as well.

Yup, many of them don't get it, instead they snarl like angry german shepherds.

edvard2 says

They have absolutely no clue why they lost

edvard2 says

then its their election to lose in 2016 as well.

The election 2016 will be the Independents election to steal, there are already petitions in the works to end closed primaries, reporting all candidates.

If you're wondering how Obama got 50% of the vote, and Romney got 48%, where did that other 2% go. People voted and their vote didn't matter nor count, as the results of which independent candidate got which percent of the votes. It might not matter to Liberals, BUT and this is important, we are a fucking democracy trying to tell the rest of the world how to have open and honest elections.

Let me lay it out for you, going forward, had this been 2008 then Dennis Kusinich won the primaries, in 2012 Ron Paul wins the primaries. The Independents in this county have had no representation and only get to pick over the political carcass after the Republican or Democrat corrupt political machine has had their way in the primaries. While marginalizing the Independent voters by calling them fringe Paulbots, and not allowing them to participate in the primaries.

2016 is going to be a game changer, and I suspect it will change the political landscape. If we can end open primaries by 2014 even better.
We'll get rid of the incumbents in the house and the senate when those seats come up.

edvard2 says

The best part of this is that Republicans and a lot of conservatives still don't get it. They have absolutely no clue why they lost while everyone else sees it clear as a bell- even some of the Republicans.

If this forum is any sort of indication then its their election to lose in 2016 as well.

They don't get what? Mitt romney would most certainly have been a worse president than bama, and that's saying something. I have a clue as to why they lost the election. Because they fielded an even shittier candidate than the democrats, which led to the cunt hair portion of voters that decided the election for the entire country, to edge out a slight victory for the demtards.

What people like you don't seem to get is we are no better off now than we were the Monday prior to the election. Yet you sit here and claim victory. Cui bono?

Romney was selected by the Liberal media to run against Obama.
That is why Ron Paul scared the living shit out of the Liberals and Republican political machine. Ron Paul was called names his issues were taken out of context lies were spread about him. By primary voting day came around, the republican voters all said, "Hell no, I'm not voting for Ron Paul, he's crazy" But when you asked them why they thought that way, the only thing they could tell you, is what some news pundit said.

But then with in a month after Romney won the Primaries and was the official candidate, almost all of those same people said, "I wish Ron Paul would have won he would have been better for this country, and had a better shot at beating Obama."

errc says

They don't get what?

The don't get that the brand they've been promoting simply smells bad to an increasingly larger share of the population and the part of the population growing the most are the ones turned off by their message. If they keep going around saying that everybody is lazy, that all social programs should be ditched, as well as continue to be more or less represented by right wing entertainment than they will be facing a bigger and bigger uphill battle. I'm not the only one saying this. Some GOP leaders are saying this as well. They need to change their tone.CaptainShuddup says

If you're wondering how Obama got 50% of the vote, and Romney got 48%, where did that other 2% go. People voted and their vote didn't matter nor count, as the results of which independent candidate got ...

What wins elections are electoral votes. In that regard Obama beat Romney by a landslide. Again- as mentioned above this is due in part to a shift in demographics with the states that are gaining the most immigrants tending to vote for Democrats. This represents a trend where Democrats will increasingly have an electoral lock on the white house.

So I guess a question for some of you who are absolute staunch Republicans, do you think your party needs to change the message or keep right on behaving exactly as they have? If so- how is this going to win them elections if the demographic they want to get are turned off by what they say?

CaptainShuddup says

Romney was selected by the Liberal media to run against Obama.
That is why Ron Paul scared the living shit out of the Liberals and Republican political machine

Ah yes.... how could we all forget.... Its the LIberal Media's Fault! Now that answers everything.

BTW... Not really sure people were exactly "scared" of Paul Ryan. Puzzled? Maybe...

edvard2 says

This represents a trend where Democrats will increasingly have an electoral lock on the white house.

Not so, if there weren't any closed primaries in 2008 who do you think would have won, Dennis Kucinich or a tight race between Clinton and Obama? If the 38% of the registered voting population had their say?
And be honest not with me but your self.

Id be fine with the republican party dying off and fading into history. I have a healthy fear of those whose tiny minds believe this equates to perpetual democrat rule , because I can only imagine how much the super wealthy would love that to happen, and how much worse off us working poor folk would be.

CaptainShuddup says

The election 2016 will be the Independents election to steal, there are already petitions in the works to end closed primaries, reporting all candidates....
...2016 is going to be a game changer, and I suspect it will change the political landscape.

*Yaaaaawn*

Sorry, Shaddup, but as of late your powers of prediction leave a lot to be desired. You may want to give it a rest for a bit.

CaptainShuddup says

Not so, if there weren't any closed primaries in 2008 who do you think would have won, Dennis Kucinich or a tight race between Clinton and Obama? If the 38% of the registered voting population had their say?
And be honest not with me but your self.

That's old history not pertinent to today's discussion.

Then your situation is underestimated.

CaptainShuddup says

Then your situation is underestimated.

This isn't "my" situation. Its a situation for the GOP.

So Karl Rove who pushed for Romney is now part of the Liberal Media? What a brilliant deep cover working for Bush and Fox News!!!

You seriously think Santorum and his ilk were stronger candidates? Nice little fantasy world you've got going.

Errcc you should read his post more carefully. This is responsive to all the post election threads by some of the conservatives.

CaptainShuddup says

Romney was selected by the Liberal media to run against Obama.

That is why Ron Paul scared the living shit out of the Liberals and Republican political machine. Ron Paul was called names his issues were taken out of context lies were spread about him. By primary voting day came around, the republican voters all said, "Hell no, I'm not voting for Ron Paul, he's crazy" But when you asked them why they thought that way, the only thing they could tell you, is what some news pundit said.

But then with in a month after Romney won the Primaries and was the official candidate, almost all of those same people said, "I wish Ron Paul would have won he would have been better for this country, and had a better shot at beating Obama."

Absolutely, it all depends on the support from the giant party machine and their money (dems or repub). If Ron Paul had had that support and would not have been discredited and marginalized by the media, he would have blown away Obama.

edvard2 says

This isn't "my" situation. Its a situation for the GOP.

What situation?
What is this constant urge to have this fantasy that somehow Obama just by a cunt hair,(*Of the popular vote) and that is some clear message that the Republicans are dead?

*Speaking of popular vote, I would have just loved to hear the pissing and moaning had Romney won the Electorate vote, and Obama won the popular vote by 1% or less, a million votes or so.
The Liberorld would be ablaze with pissing and moaning the likes of the world has never seen since Bush gave Gore a good old fashioned ass spanking with the electorate vote. But that's all forgotten now, and you keep calling the electorate vote a landslide. But then again, it shouldn't be a surprise the Liberals have a new found love for the Electorate vote.
Since 2000 they've created this Red State Blue state nonsense and prescribed the majority of those votes to the blue states. California 55 votes, "REALLY?".

Democrats are only 32% of the registered voter population so get over your self.

Me on the other hand the Nader Voters we matter, we decide which of the two shit birds get elected, even if we don't get to chose the two shit birds. But that is going to change by 2014.

CaptainShuddup says

What situation?

... I believe that comic above basically summed it all up nicely. Take a read. That's exactly the situation the GOP is in and why they need to change. Otherwise- wash-rinse-repeat.

You live in a cartoon world if you want, but I'll pick my own comics.
I like the one where Obama looks like the Joker.

mell says

If Ron Paul had had that support and would not have been discredited and marginalized by the media, he would have blown away Obama

No-government conservatism -- a return to the 19th century -- is the opposite of "progressive" and any national candidate with that message will, in fact, never get anywhere.

What the election did show is that the christian fundamentalist -- people wanting a return to the 17th century -- voting bloc did show up at 26% of the electorate. This is significant, though it is overweighted in the Bible Belt and thus does not particularly help conservatives (to that degree) in the swing states.

Obama ran the table on the swing states, showing that conservative messaging -- you are the problem and must die -- simply does not fly in the post-Enlightenment part of the country.

California was a good test of 3rd party strengths since these voters were free to show their preferences without throwing the national election.

Barack Obama 6,414,573
59.3% (centrist)

Mitt Romney 4,136,120
38.3% (severely conservative)

Gary Johnson (LIB) 115,068
1.1% (corporate libertarian)

Thomas Hoefling (AI) 31,297
0.3% (radical right wing)

Jill Stein (GRN) 68,301
0.6% (leftist)

Roseanne Barr (P&F) 42,970
0.4% (nutball left)

CaptainShuddup says

You live in a cartoon world if you want, but I'll pick my own comics.
I like the one where Obama looks like the Joker.

I like comics as well, Especially where Obama won the election despite the continual spouting of utter nonsense from the right.

Oh- and I almost forgot... Obama won. Get used to it.

funny comics...

lets look at Democracy per Liberals view of Modern World

not a very happy crowd...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncbOEoQbOg

CaptainShuddup says

If you're wondering how Obama got 50% of the vote, and Romney got 48%, where did that other 2% go

They went to Gary Johnson, who wanted to impose a 23% national sales tax instead of income tax.

Roseanne Barr got some votes too.

Bellingham Bill says

No-government conservatism -- a return to the 19th century -- is the opposite of "progressive" and would any national candidate with that message will, in fact, never get anywhere.

Not in a system where Two parties are controlled by zealot hardliners and freethinking voters are excluded from participating in making the distinction of who ends up on the tickets. Christ what part about this travesty do you Liberals not get.

Obama was Wagged into office, he wasn't the peoples choice, he was merely presented by a group of people for another group of people to chose between him or an equally ill suited Asslot chosen by another round political cretins.

We got chose between eating a Shit sandwich or a douche, but we didn't create the grocery list nor participated in the store run.

Bellingham Bill says

What the election did show is that the fundamentalist -- people wanting a return to the 17th century -- voting bloc did show up at 26% of the electorate. This is significant, though it is overweighted in the Bible Belt and thus does not particularly help conservatives (to that degree) in the swing states.

Conservative values have nothing to do with returning to 17th century.

We here in Silicon Valley back in the 70s and 80s .. the bastion of advanced technology and leaping into the 21st century were predominate GOP. So where were the liberals/dems doing at that time. Nothing..getting stoned, drunk and protesting.

The so called Progressive movement were to busy striking at schools and at work. while the real progressives went on to their Engineering and Business classes create, later to create business/industries, employing many workers creating a better society and move modern world forward.

Are you really fucking proud of yourself. ... What have you done lately ?

Yea.. you guys did that.

CaptainShuddup says

Obama was Wagged into office, he wasn't the peoples choice, he was merely presented by a group of people for another group of people to chose between him or an equally ill suited Asslot chosen by another round political cretins

The majority of Americans who voted Obama into office would disagree. Obama won because he was the President people wanted. See? That's the lovely thing about the government our dear, beloved founding fathers put into place: Its a democracy. So if Obama won, then he won because that's who we the people wanted.

Bottom line: Obama won. Trying to formulate bizarre reasons otherwise is counterproductive.

thomaswong.1986 says

Nothing..getting stoned, drunk and protestin

Yet another grossly oversimplified stereotype, stated as fact, and for the most part unappetizing to the very people the GOP needs to start appealing to if they even hope of having a chance in the future. Like I said before- It can no longer be business as usual. The GOP can no longer blame others instead of solving problems.

edvard2 says

Obama won because he was the President people wanted. See?

There's no place like home... there's no place like home...
Step into the light Dorthy!

Melmakian says

When O only won by 470,000 votes across just 4 states, it is YOU who are clueless...not us.

Ah yes- with that comes the convenient lack of mention of the electoral count. That's what matters most. But then again that would show just how badly Romney lost the race and hence make mentioning this supposedly close race claim invalid. So I'll just leave it at that.

But hey- like I said- the GOP and apparently a lot of their followers don't understand why they lost. That's totally fine with me. So as long as we continue to hear bizarre, strange comments about communism/socialism, obviously parroted statements from right wing entertainment ( notice I didn't say news or media), and other laughable statements, then that to me is a barometer of how much success the Democrats will have in future elections. We keep hearing that stuff and ta-da, Democrats will continue to keep right on winning.

CaptainShuddup says

There's no place like home... there's no place like home...
Step into the light Dorthy!

Are you arguing that the President didn't win the election or that he didn't get the votes he received that put him into the white house? If so, please do all of us a favor here and explain. We are listening.

Melmakian says

When O only won by 470,000 votes across just 4 states, it is YOU who are clueless...not us.

If it were the Liberals on the shitty end of the stick, the whole world would be suffering through Algoritis. As the Liberal bellyaching machine would be high gear trying to get the highest courts in the land to do a do-over.

CaptainShuddup says

As the Liberal bellyaching machine would be high gear trying to get the highest courts in the land to do a do-over.

I am unaware of a "Liberal bellyaching machine". Especially seeing as how the Democrats won. On the other hand I have heard of a huge lake... the Lake of GOP sorrow where their tears from losing the election are overwhelming its capacity...

edvard2 says

Are you arguing that the President didn't win the election

No not at all, I'm just trying to bring you back down to reality that he barely won against a man he should have won by more than 75% of the popular votes. If he was half the ass pimple you claim he is.

CaptainShuddup says

No not at all, I'm just trying to bring you back down to reality that he barely won against a man he should have won by more than 75% of the popular votes

Why does this even matter? He won. If he had won by more he would have still won. But hey- if that makes some of you feel better- that he won by a few points in the popular vote ( even though he basically pulled off a landslide in the electoral vote- you know- the one that really matters?) then sure- ok... whatever...

edvard2 says

the Lake of GOP sorrow where their tears from losing the election

They got fucking STOMPED in the Senate, losing ONE THIRD of the seats they had up.

Now, in one race the right-wingers did actually outnumber the Dem winner -- Montana, where 30,000 of the unabomber contingent there voted libertarian, handing the election to the centrist Democrat (who won by 20,000 votes).

edvard2 says

Why does this even matter?

edvard2 says

he won by a few points in the popular vote

... against Mitt Fucking Romney. So you see the Republicans aren't under any threat. Just in the Liberal mind. And perhaps Obama's second term will be a good thing. It was Clinton's second term, that made America reckon that an Oil Man from Texas that calls it New-Queue-Lehr seem like a logical bet.

Bellingham Bill says

They got fucking STOMPED in the Senate, losing ONE THIRD of the seats they had up.

Unfortunately this is not true. Democrats gained a whopping two seats in the Senate bringing the balance of power to

53 Democrats
45 Republicans
2 Independent

Even if the independents vote along democratic lines, that's only 55 to 45. To prevent the GOP from filibustering everything, the Democrats need 60 seats. I'm afraid we're in the exact same situation we were in before the election.

Had the Democrats gotten 60 seats, Obama's second term would have far greater potential to get shit done.