patrick.net

upisdown says

But, it's doubtful at best about places like a strip bar, because they have
to fill out vendor info to be in the network so the transaction is
authorized.

you are 100% wrong about EBT, it can be cashed out .. CASH is then used however the worthless fuck wants to use it .. buy beer, drugs, pussy, whatever. And the EBT cards have been used on vacations, casinos, and strip clubs. Deal with it. Welfare is the gangsters meal ticket. Section 8, WIC, EBT, HeadStart, free medical, free dental, free legal, free meds, bus pass, and free college education .... all placed in the lap of the gangsters baby mama, just for getting knocked up at the king-sin-yetta. And the gangsta daddy lives happy ever after.

finehoe says

Obviously the MA welfare agency needs complete and comprehensive
investigative powers over every resident of the state so that every person is
subject to a no-holds-barred background check. The HHS should hook into the
databases of the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, Interpol, the KGB, and everyone who applies
for welfare should have their phones tapped, their mail opened, their every move
recorded before their application is even considered.

nope, just end all forced wealth transfers and the faith-based groups will take care of things. If you cant do that, then just drug test the takers.

Bap33 says

you are 100% wrong about EBT, it can be cashed out .. CASH

You're claiming that I said something that I didn't. I never once said a thing about "cash out" anything, you did.

Try again moron, and this time try reading what I posted above before you make yourself look stupid.

Bap33 says

And the EBT cards have been used on vacations, casinos, and strip clubs.

I would say prove it, but you can't, or won't, and then the anecdotes will change to some other bullshit rant. But that's what you and other dumbshit extremists do, you lie your way along to make some sort of a point while actually exposing your stupidity about things in the real world.

finehoe says

Obviously the MA welfare agency needs complete and comprehensive investigative powers over every resident of the state so that every person is subject to a no-holds-barred background check. The HHS should hook into the databases of the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, Interpol, the KGB, and everyone who applies for welfare should have their phones tapped, their mail opened, their every move recorded before their application is even considered.

Should be used since we seen IRS scammed for $21 BILLION dollars by criminal organization. And of course some of this could have gone to the poor..

Have a read...

THERE ARE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN UNDETECTED TAX REFUND FRAUD RESULTING FROM IDENTITY THEFT
http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2012reports/201242080fr.html

Billions Lost in Tax-Refund Scam

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577309854181227634.html

Federal authorities are struggling to crack down on what they describe as a widespread scheme that has already likely defrauded the Internal Revenue Service of billions of dollars using the stolen identities of Puerto Rican citizens.

The perpetrators of the scheme, authorities say, swipe the Social Security numbers of Puerto Rican citizens, who don't have to pay federal income tax—and are less likely to be on the IRS radar—and use their information to file fake returns. In some cases, they enlist U.S. mail carriers to intercept the refund checks that are disbursed.

The plot, which includes participants from around the U.S. and Latin America, has been around for at least five years. Prosecutors have obtained multiple convictions but none involving those believed to be among the top players in the operation, according to several people briefed on investigations into the fraud.

Bap33 says

And the EBT cards have been used on vacations, casinos, and strip clubs. Deal
with it.

Wrong, as usual. Here's the link to the MA site that says SPECIFICALLY what can't be bought or things paid for with the EBT card.

http://www.massresources.org/tafdc-use-benefits.html

Are there rules about what I can buy with my cash benefits?
What you cannot buy:

You are not allowed to use your DTA cash benefits to pay for any of the following products and services:

•alcoholic beverages
•tobacco products
•lottery tickets
•sexually explicit material
•firearms or ammunition
•vacation services
•tattoos, body art, or piercings
•jewelry
•court-ordered fees or penalties, including bail or bail bonds
•gambling
If you purchase any of these items with your cash benefits, you will be required to pay back the amount you spent. For a second offense, you will also lose your cash benefits for two months; and for a third offense, you will lose your cash benefits permanently. See EBT Card Restrictions: What You Cannot Buy - English and Spanish for more information.

Where you cannot shop:

Some types of businesses are not allowed to accept EBT payments in their shops:

•liquor stores
•adult bookstores or entertainment
•cruise ships
•firearms and ammunition dealers
•tattoo parlors
•manicure shops
•jewelry stores
•rent-to-own stores
Stores that violate these rules can be fined. See Where You Can't Shop With Your EBT Card - English and Spanish for more information.

upisdown says

Here's the link to the MA site that says SPECIFICALLY what can't be bought or things paid for with the EBT card.

Pressure cookers aren't on that list, so obviously EBT is a failure and should be shut down immediately.

And impeach Deval Patrick for not personally blocking the Tasrnaev brother’s internet access, which DIRECTLY led to their radicalization.

finehoe says

Pressure cookers aren't on that list, so obviously EBT is a failure and should be shut down immediately.

Also need to disallow:
fireworks
clocks or timers
remote control toys

upisdown says

Wrong, as usual. Here's the link to the MA site that says SPECIFICALLY what can't be bought or things paid for with the EBT card.

and the reality is far different. remarkable some ignore widespread fraud.

Food stamp fraud on rise in Brockton, across state

http://www.enterprisenews.com/answerbook/brockton/x2053821980/Food-stamp-fraud-on-rise

“This trafficking EBT cards has become a professional crime ring here in Massachusetts and I’m sure all over the country as well,” state Rep. Shaunna O’Connell, R-Taunton, said Friday. “I think the abuse is far more widespread than anyone knows of at this point.”

On Thursday, state police detectives assigned to the Middleton’s office assisted Brockton police in executing five search warrants and eight arrest warrants for trafficking food stamps and larceny.

The stores involved and charged with trafficking food stamps were 28 Corner Convenience (B&D Mart), 95 Montello St.; JP Communications, 69 North Montello St.; Lucky Dollar, 284 North Main St.; Rice’s Market, 769 North Main St.; and Dip N Sip, 235 North Main St.

The investigation found the store owners and clerks were engaging in a scheme that involved illegally exchanging food stamps for cash, according to the district attorney’s office.

On several occasions since May, undercover officers would go into the stores and present electronic benefit transfer (EBT) cards to the clerk. The clerk would swipe the customer’s card, pretending the customer bought groceries and then give them cash, said authorities.

For example, if the EBT customer wanted $50 cash, the store owner would swipe the card for $100, which would be credited to the store, and then give the customer the cash in exchange.

remarkable....

Report: Thousands of dead people receiving food stamps

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-thousands-of-dead-people-receiving-food-stamps

According to a report released by Senator James Coburn (R-OK), approximately 2,000 dead people in New York and Massachusetts are receiving food stamps, CNS News reported Thursday.

"The USDA Inspector General found roughly 2,000 dead people are still receiving food stamps in New York and Massachusetts combined," the report said, citing USDA findings from April and June 2012.

Yea, truly remarkable, because after a year of inactivity(per the Mass. site that I linked to above), they automatically are un-enrolled from the system. So, who is still using the card then?

LOL, Are you just plain stupid, or just really slow?

upisdown says

Especially considering that most of the fraud in food stamps is by the vendors
over-charging/double billing, or adding on extra fees.

And here's what I posted on Friday about food stamp fraud.

thomaswong.1986 says

The stores involved and charged with trafficking food stamps were 28 Corner
Convenience (B&D Mart), 95 Montello St.; JP Communications, 69 North
Montello St.; Lucky Dollar, 284 North Main St.; Rice’s Market, 769 North Main
St.; and Dip N Sip, 235 North Main St.

The investigation found the store owners and clerks were engaging in a scheme
that involved illegally exchanging food stamps for cash, according to the
district attorney’s office.

thomaswong.1986 says

Report: Thousands of dead people receiving food stamps

The REAL problem isn't the Tsaernaev Welfare Babies, it's the fact it is a government conspiracy from top to bottom. Their financial support is just the first layer of the onion.

upisdown says

Wrong, as usual. Here's the link to the MA site that says SPECIFICALLY what
can't be bought or things paid for with the EBT card.

wrong you are - again. The EBT can be used to access fucking CASH. With CASH you do what you want. No need to lie. Own it.

Here's your first post of nonsense where YOU claimed that the EBT card was supposedly used for:

Bap33 says

And the EBT cards have been used on vacations, casinos, and strip clubs. Deal
with it.

Then after I proved you to be a lyin' sack of shit, you change your dogma to somehow cover your ass, although that opportunity is long gone. Who didn't see THAT coming? LOL

Bap33 says

wrong you are - again. The EBT can be used to access fucking CASH. With CASH you
do what you want. No need to lie. Own

I almost forgot who, or what more like, I really was dealing with. Oh well, the post count is up to 74 now, and it's mostly populated with moronic poo. You're vindicated.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/20085789/state-issued-debit-cards-used-at-atms-at-bars-casinos-strip-clubs

Bap33 says

http://www.wfsb.com/story/20085789/state-issued-debit-cards-used-at-atms-at-bars-casinos-strip-clubs

Wrong state, dumbass. Why am I not surprised.

But did you bother to see what else is done with state-issued debit cards??

State Tax Refunds To Be Issued In Form Of Debit Cards Instead Of Checks

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/01/30/state-tax-refunds-to-be-issued-in-form-of-debit-cards-instead-of-checks/

From the article:
Instead of refund checks, this year Connecticut state income taxpayers who decide against having the refund deposited directly into their bank accounts will receive debit cards, instead.

upisdown says

they automatically are un-enrolled from the system.

so the auditors found the opposite to be true.. dead are still enrolled in the system.

how do you explain this ?

thomaswong.1986 says

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-thousands-of-dead-people-receiving-food-stamps

According to a report released by Senator James Coburn (R-OK), approximately
2,000 dead people in New York and Massachusetts are receiving food stamps, CNS
News reported Thursday.

"The USDA Inspector General found roughly 2,000 dead people are still
receiving food stamps in New York and Massachusetts combined," the report said,
citing USDA findings from April and June 2012.

It's not on me to prove anything, it's on YOU because YOU made the claim.
Here's the paste from the Mass site:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How do I use my SNAP EBT card?
To use your SNAP EBT card to pay for food at the food store checkout, slide your card through the card reader, then enter your four-digit Personal Identification Number (PIN) on the keypad and press the "Enter" or "OK" button. This automatically subtracts the cost of your food from your SNAP food stamps EBT account. (If the store does not have a card reader or it is not working, the cashier can fill out a form for you to sign.)

Whenever you buy food with your card, your receipt will show the amount of money left in your SNAP EBT account. You can also call EBT Customer Service at 1-800-997-2555 to get your EBT balance.

Note: Massachusetts does not yet have online access to personal EBT information such as transactions or EBT balance. For updates, see Online EBT SNAP Accounts on the USDA web site.

If you do not use all of your SNAP benefits for a month, they will carry over to the next month. However, if you do not use any of your SNAP food stamps for a full year, DTA will assume you do not need SNAP food stamps and will cancel any benefits still in your account.

If you have any problem with your EBT card, you should call EBT Customer Service at 1-800-997-2555.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.massresources.org/snap-use-benefits.html

upisdown says

It's not on me to prove anything, it's on YOU because YOU made the claim

and here you have it...

"The USDA Inspector General found roughly 2,000 dead people are still
receiving food stamps in New York and Massachusetts combined," the report said,
citing USDA findings from April and June 2012.

You fail to understand the system was 'hacked' and controls bypassed to allow abuse
to occur. So instead of fixing it .. you look the other way.

upisdown says

Wrong state, dumbass. Why am I not surprised.

got me on that one. wrong state. A simple google with 80K results and I picked the wrong one, my bad. The abuse is nation wide, dipshit.

Anyways, I'm in mexifornia, and the EBT abuse here is absurd. The local bar (and grill) has an ATM that cashes out EBT ... and the scum just walk into the bar with cash. My buddy runs one area supermarket and he had to post on the doors that only $50 cash will be given to EBT scum, because they would hit him at 12:01am and take all his cash. So, cash access is a reality in mexifornia.

Now, are you suggesting the scum in your state do not access cash with their card?

More Arrests In Boston Bombing Case – Surprisingly, None Of Them Tea Party Members...

- Much to the chagrin of HuffPo, Salon, etal....

http://michaelgraham.com/more-arrests-in-boston-bombing-case-surprisingly-none-of-them-tea-party-members/

....."UPDATE! One of Tsarnaev’s pals traveled to US from Kazakhstan without a visa–we still let him in. Yeah, President Obama, Homeland Security’s doing a heck of a job!"

thomaswong.1986 says

You fail to understand the system was 'hacked' and controls bypassed to allow
abuse
to occur. So instead of fixing it .. you look the other way.

No, you were being intentionally deceptive, otherwise you wouldn't have "conveniently" left out the info about the system being hacked.
Lying, deception, it's all the same and you morons never hesitate to dabble in either of them, and in a sick distorted way use either to make any point and don't see that it taints your words.

thomaswong.1986 says

and here you have it...

"The USDA Inspector General found roughly 2,000 dead people are still

receiving food stamps in New York and Massachusetts combined," the report said,

citing USDA findings from April and June 2012.

You fail to understand the system was 'hacked' and controls bypassed to allow abuse

to occur. So instead of fixing it .. you look the other way.

-----------------------
Thomas,

I'm finding certain folks on this forum can't stand the fact that some welfare systems are very flawed, and need imrpovement. They can't fathom that a gov't entity needs fixing or is inept. AND what I find hilarious is that they believe that everyone who is on the dole is an angel. If you disagree, then you are a neo-fascist/racist/blablabla. They don't like efforts to confirm that welfare recipients are all angels are 'good people'....

Improvement should always be an agenda, because nothing and nobody is perfect. So when we bring up some facts and examples of things that are obviously broken, the few (not all) lefties don't want to shed some light and discuss; they'd rather lie about what you said/wrote, call you names, and basically act like adolescent monkees flinging shit at each other.

Bap33 says

got me on that one. wrong state. A simple google with 80K results and I picked
the wrong one, my bad.

I wasn't surprised, because useless lyin assholes like you go straight to that mode from the beginning.
You right wing shitbags are so predictable in your dogma, and the inevitable follow-up of BS.

When are you going to claim to be some sort of victim?

Bap33 says

Now, are you suggesting the scum in your state do not access cash with their
card?

No dumbass, you are. Why is that BS the s.o.p. for you hacks?

You want to know how I know of the workings of those systems in MY state? Because a friend of mine takes the EBT card for food stamps at his store(it varies, but about 40% of his business), and showed me a reciept that had the current balance on it for a customer that he had just rung up. He was afraid of any backlash by that customer or others that he knew, and so didn't want to do any follow up on it.

So, I called the number for vendor problems, and as I help him out sometimes when he's busy like during the holidays, I told them my(his/our) concerns as an employee about the huge balance that was on that card, and it seemed unusual and thought that maybe some notice should be brought to it because of potential fraud.

THAT'S how I learned about the EBT card and it's many uses, along with a private network that must be pre-approved and other things, not by listening to BS and anecdotal dogma that's constantly passed around amongst the morons.

Is there fraud, abuse, and misuse? Yes, and it's small and mostly committed by the VENDORS, not the recipients. The EBT card cut down a lot of that, even though the big banks now get to profit from the whole system.

The whole system has enough flaws and glitches that anybody against the system does not need to resort to any lies and anecdotes to make it somehow sound worse than it actually is. Try using facts next time, maybe you won't look so bad trying to make your point.

AverageBear says

So when we bring up some facts and examples of things that are obviously
broken, the few

You have yet to show any, and your intention was deceptive from the beginning, as I proven you to be both a liar and a moron. I asked for proof of your claims and you (of course there was not any)didn't provide any, and then I continued to disprove your intentional lies.

Try facts sometime, because there are many when it comes to this issue, and resorting to lies is counter-productive to your ideological driven agenda.

AverageBear says

Thomas,

I'm finding certain folks on this forum can't stand the fact that some welfare systems are very flawed, and need imrpovement. They can't fathom that a gov't entity needs fixing or is inept. AND what I find hilarious is that they believe that everyone who is on the dole is an angel. If you disagree, then you are a neo-fascist/racist/blablabla. They don't like efforts to confirm that welfare recipients are all angels are 'good people'...

very often you find they benefit from the fraud and have no desire to see it changed to stop the fraud..

thomaswong.1986 says

very often you find they benefit from the fraud and have no desire to see it changed to stop the fraud..

Ridiculous. Of course fraud should stop, positing otherwise of your opponents is a smear tactic and a lie. I have a tangential connection to the California Death Registry. It may surprise you to know, that death is not an event that historically triggered automatic notification of the myriad of financial connections to a person. Society has traditionally concerned itself with births far more than deaths. We've usually placed much of the burden on family to carry around a death certificate with them and do it themselves. I expect that quite a lot of "dead still enrolled" in something has to do with simple fact the person died and the agency didn't get timely notice about it. You die, now is every county hospital and morgue supposed to hire staff to send letters to every agency, or what? What if you die a John Doe? What if you die while travelling, or have no family? How long does it take before every agency that has you on their rolls know about it? It's been a sticky problem for a long time but work is being done to solve it.

Vicente says

Ridiculous.

Hardly, its a typical profile. other items... thats why we need to issue US Citizen/Voter ID cards. makes plenty of common sense.

One of the most signifi cant
fi ndings of this survey is the
very large increase in cases
involving the exploitation
of weak internal controls by
fraudsters – up from 49 percent
in 2007 to 74 percent in 2011.

http://www.kpmg.com/CEE/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Documents/who-is-the-typical-fraudster.pdf#page=12

thomaswong.1986 says

Hardly, its a typical profile. other items... thats why we need to issue US Citizen/Voter ID cards. makes plenty of common sense.

So you cite a study about corporate fraud, to prove your point about EBT? Hmmmm well I guess if the country is run by bankster frauds, the example is certainly set so who can blame anyone else? Anyhow....

Use of Death Registries, nullifies the entire problem. Grandma can't keep cashing Grandpa's check in the first place, if all agencies are notified automatically.

Vicente says

So you cite a study about corporate fraud, to prove your point about EBT? Hmmmm well I guess if the country is run by bankster frauds, the example is certainly set so who can blame anyone else? Anyhow....

are processes for cash disbursements any different between government vs industry ?

of course they are not ! Self justifcation to allow fraud to continue is often indicated when you hear
comments such as... "Bankster frauds" Those are the people who are the highest risk.

Vicente says

Use of Death Registries, nullifies the entire problem. Grandma can't keep cashing Grandpa's check in the first place, if all agencies are notified automatically.

Govt dont use centralized registry for all its various departments. Its a myth... Its a mix bag of old, new running on different OS platforms and often dont talk to each other. CA is one of the worst. All the spending increases went to salaries and benefits and little went to IT capital HW & SW purchases.. talk to any Oracle sales rep who focus on Govt clients..

thomaswong.1986 says

are processes for cash disbursements any different between government vs industry ?

So if corporate fraud is rampant and increasing, as your study posits, why I should expect welfare fraud & errors to be going the opposite direction? It seems to me if you have a society filled with frauds, well then.... perhaps you just see fraud and criminality behind every bush.

I'd rather expect KPMG to find decreased fraud, given that we loosened accounting standards to "anything goes" levels lately. I suspect that KPMG tosses this study at their customers, to SELL them their services. LOOK your bushes are FILLED with commies, you need to hire KPMG to root them out!

Vicente says

Use of Death Registries, nullifies the entire problem. Grandma can't keep
cashing Grandpa's check in the first place, if all agencies are notified
automatically.

Most states do have those registries, to include MA. The county coroner in most states issues the death certificate and it is forwarded to the sec. of state's office. Does anybody actually know for a fact that those registries aren't referenced when people apply for benefits? Then again, if the elderly die off throughout the year, it can take weeks for the state to get the death certificate due to numerous reasons, and due to staffing and such why would any personel constantly check the benefit recipients to see who has died. Maybe some sort of database that automatically flags the benefits when a social security number from the sec of state's office posts the death certificate.
Or something as simple as lowering the time frame for inactivity to 6 months from a year, but that would be entirely dependent upon staffing levels.

thomaswong.1986 says

talk to any Oracle sales rep who focus on Govt clients..

I don't see why an Oracle rep would know facts behind declining govt sales. Personally we use less and less Oracle because it's too frigging expensive and they keep changing the price structure to squeeze more blood out of the stone.

Vicente says

I'd rather expect KPMG to find decreased fraud, given that we loosened accounting standards to "anything goes" levels lately. I suspect that KPMG tosses this study at their customers, to SELL them their services. LOOK your bushes are FILLED with commies, you need to hire KPMG to root them out!

Thats right.. you need an independent party to root out the fraud.. they are better experts at it. Govt things they are above the law and therefore can get away with anything.

thats why Govt employees fear audits by outside auditors...they cant BS anymore!

finehoe says

Obviously the MA welfare agency needs complete and comprehensive investigative powers over every resident of the state so that every person is subject to a no-holds-barred background check.

no... investigations should be by separate independent entity... frankly shouldnt be a govt agency and should be made public... including criminal charges for weakness of controls.

if its good for private industry (SOX) should be good for public govt workers.

Vicente says

I don't see why an Oracle rep would know facts behind declining govt sales.

they saw all the govt system shit imaginable and can easily compare better working systems (best practices) utilized by private industry (corporations).

A clear as night and day...

thomaswong.1986 says

Vicente says

I don't see why an Oracle rep would know facts behind declining govt sales.

they saw all the govt system shit imaginable and can easily compare better working systems (best practices) utilized by private industry (corporations).

A clear as night and day...

What unbelievable irrelevant horseshit. Sales reps know jack except sales. You think they also know my budget and internal operations, Oracle employees really are all seeing Oracles. I should consult one to find out what color my next child's eyes will be. You certainly are good at redirecting into dead ends, congrats.

Vicente says

What unbelievable irrelevant horseshit.

Good governance.. matters! Ask your auditor!

Vicente says

Oracle employees really are all seeing Oracles. I should consult one to find out what color my next child's eyes will be. You certainly are good at redirecting into dead ends, congrats.

Its no secret a sales person who walks into an operation to provide assessment as part of a engagement will be exposed to all the dirty laundry and issues.. and there have been and continue to be lots of dirty laundry when it comes to govt operations. They are badly run and mismanaged.

Why else do vendors salespeople and sales engineers have to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) as part of the engagement with their clients.

30 years of tech industry experience and i have seen it all.