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your making a mountain out of a molehill...
the scene you paint below is simply not attainable given the current constitution/bill of rights.

Delurking says

Depends if you want this country devolving into a religious nuthouse like Afghanistan. That's what the Christian Dominionist thing is all about.

xrpb11a says

your making a mountain out of a molehill...

tell that to gay people who want legal partnerships.

CFA is donating millions of dollars to oppose those civil rights.

It's bullshit and I'm not going to have one penny of my money go for that.

Chicken sandwich isn't worth all that.

and the gays will shit on them this friday. what goes around, comes around.

Delurking says

First they shit on the gays

xrpb11a says

what goes around, comes around.

the problem is gays are a minority, while christian fundamentalists are a majority in many areas.

this stuff isn't that complicated ya know.

"The findings also show a widening partisan divide over gay marriage, with 65 percent of Democrats now supporting it compared to 24 percent of Republicans."

wow, talk about being on the wrong side of history. Well done, conservatives, you are driving your party into irrelevancy.

though it's probably going to take a 1929-33 period to get the people back to their senses about how bad conservatism is for America.

if you want to suppress the first amendment, have at it...
Let me know how that works out for ya....

Delurking says

xrpb11a says

what goes around, comes around.

the problem is gays are a minority, while christian fundamentalists are a majority in many areas.

too late.
chick-fil-a did not build their business....you did by paying taxes that built the roads and bridges leading to their door.....
Guess that makes you a bigot too....

Delurking says

It's bullshit and I'm not going to have one penny of my money go for that.

I am a private citizen so first amendment does not apply.

I fully support the geezer's right to be a public homophobe but I will not give him my money for him to forward it to advocacy groups I disagree with.

again, this is not that complicated.

Chick Fil A is just a rightwing nutjob corporation. It's a free country, but their advocacy for social conservative bullshit is not something I'm going to support going forward.

I've known about CFA's positions on this -- and even ate there earlier this month, but I've seen the error in my ways with that.

chick-fil-a did not build their business....you did by paying taxes that built the roads and bridges leading to their door.....

this barely parses. For one, Obama did NOT say anything that business owners did not build their businesses, obviously they do.

Obama's quote was saying business owners did not build the infrastructure their businesses depend upon.

Arguing with conservatives is like arguing with 2 year olds. You guys simply can't kick your brain into any sort of ability to understand anything beyond your idiotic talking points.

you have your head so far up your ass you don't even recognize humor...

do yourself a favor....learn to read.
http://patrick.net/?p=1214413&c=851185#comment-851185

Delurking says

chick-fil-a did not build their business....you did by paying taxes that built the roads and bridges leading to their door.....

this barely parses.

xrpb11a says

you have your head so far up your ass

Contrary to popular assumption, the ass is not necessarily the worst place to store one's head.

Oh? It is?
Try not purchasing a health care plan...
let me know how 'free' that works out to be....

Delurking says

It's a free country

I'm rubber, you're glue.

credit to HRH
Delurking says

Arguing with conservatives is like arguing with 2 year olds. You guys simply can't kick your brain into any sort of ability to understand anything beyond your idiotic talking point

Delurking says

Interestingly this graph also reflects to a large degree of accuracy the level of intelligence of the population of the states as measured by education, scientific knowledge, mathematical skills, and international testing.

Intelligence makes people liberal and more likely to favor legalizing gay marriage. What a surprise.

Marriage is not a civil right.
Your argument is blown to hell.
Case Closed.

Delurking says

tell that to gay people who want legal partnerships.

CFA is donating millions of dollars to oppose those civil rights.

xrpb11a says

Marriage is not a civil right.

Actually, according to the Supreme Court it is. In the 1967 case Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court ruled that states could not ban or restrict interracial marriages, a common practice at the time that was called miscegenation, as it was a violation of the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment.

As I argue in this thread, the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies exactly the same way to the issue of gay marriages.

Ultimately the people twenty years from now are going to look back at this debate in the exact same way we look back at the 1960s debate over interracial marriages. And those who oppose gay marriage will look as bigoted and stupid as those who opposed interracial marriages. It's the natural progression of liberty and equality.

Well, u are right!

God damn O'Reilly and his talking points....

Dan8267 says

xrpb11a says

Marriage is not a civil right.

Actually, according to the Supreme Court it is. In the 1967 case Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court ruled that states could not ban or restrict interracial marriages, a common practice at the time called miscegenation, was a violation of the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment.

xrpb11a says

Well, u are right!

God damn O'Reilly and his talking points....that's the last time I steal anything from THAT fucker...

Holy shit...did one of the Munchkins just notice Dorothy?

Seriously though, are you being sincere?

why not?
the link was provided...easy confirmation.
scotus laid it out the way Dan stated...
I was misinformed.
marriage is confirmed as a Civil Right.

Can I have my chicken now??

david1 says

xrpb11a says

Well, u are right!

God damn O'Reilly and his talking points....that's the last time I steal anything from THAT fucker...

Holy shit...did one of the Munchkins just notice Dorothy?

Seriously though, are you being sincere?

Marriage as defined by the government is an utterly artificial construct to incentivise procreating families. They didn't do the best job as they could have simply paid per child instead which would have been much fairer, but to think of it as a civil right is ludicrous. But if you want to make that point with the court on your side than you should go all the way and also legalize poligamy as a civil right as well as what is commonly understood as "incest", as people cannot be discriminated against their religious or whatever preference for multiple husbands/wifes, or for their preference for their brother or sister. Heck even a father would have the right to marry his daughter (if old enough and consentual) - which by the way has happened without both parties who had been separated knowing they were related. The only way to solve this in all fairness is for the government to get out of the marriage business.

Agreed.
Scotus confirmed marriage as a civil right.
The definition of 'marriage' is open for interpretation.
From this point on, anything goes....

mell says

But if you want to make that point with the court on your side than you should go all the way and also legalize poligamy as a civil right as well as what is commonly understood as "incest", as people cannot be discriminated against their religious or whatever preference for multiple husbands/wifes, or for their preference for their brother or sister

There is no problem.
Marriage is a civil right. The gays will win this one over the long haul through the courts. You've already won. Why deny yourself some of the best chicken in the land?
Delurking says

the problem is gays are a minority,

Fox News tells it like it is.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/17/obama-right-americans-cant-succeed-without-government/?intcmp=obinsite#ixzz21vUZDfL5

xrpb11a says

I have one of those just up the street. I eat there because it's the tastiest fast food chicken that won't fry your diet...

the current fiasco has no impact with me, one way or the other.

No impact here either, but that's because I don't eat chicken. Around here Chick-fil-a's were packed. They showed it on the news.

In so far as gays having a kiss-in there on Friday, I'm sure that will make the news just the same.

Sustenance supersedes politics.

zzyzzx says

xrpb11a says

I have one of those just up the street. I eat there because it's the tastiest fast food chicken that won't fry your diet...

the current fiasco has no impact with me, one way or the other.

No impact here either, but that's because I don't eat chicken. Around here Chick-fil-a's were packed. They showed it on the news.

In so far as gays having a kiss-in there on Friday, I'm sure that will make the news just the same.

If the homeowner isn't insulted by your offer...you didn't bid low enough!!!

Dan Cathy didn't build Chick-Fil-A...someone else made that happen.

Honest Abe says

Dan Cathy didn't build Chick-Fil-A...someone else made that happen.

This Guy:

xrpb11a says

You've already won. Why deny yourself some of the best chicken in the land?

Because CFA still supports anti-gay causes throughout the world.

Plus their being a part of the general religious right whacko axis -- I don't want my money working against me in the future.

Fuck 'em. I'll make my own.

mell says

but to think of it as a civil right is ludicrous.

I have a hard time folding my brain to where you get the basis for thinking the ability for two people to form a legally-binding partnership for life is not a fundamental right.

Marriage is not about popping out babies. It's about equal partnerships between adults. THAT'S why it's a social good.

Congratulations. With all the hubbub you've created, it looks like you just funded your own demise....

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/02/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day-sets-record-restaurant-chain-says/?hpt=hp_t1

Delurking says

xrpb11a says

You've already won. Why deny yourself some of the best chicken in the land?

Because CFA still supports anti-gay causes throughout the world.

Plus their being a part of the general religious right whacko axis -- I don't want my money working against me in the future.

Fuck 'em. I'll make my own.

xrpb11a says

Congratulations. With all the hubbub you've created, it looks like you just funded your own demise....

The right wing is still pretty strong and has plenty of fight left in it still in this country yes.

I'm probably going to have to move out at some point this decade to a less insane place. This socio-economic order is going to collapse eventually since we don't have the political intelligence let alone maturity to address any of our problems.

Good thing I only have tens of thousands sunk in past FICA contributions and not hundreds of thousands. My collection date for that is in the 2030s and it's clear to me this country is going to have made a smoking crater in the ground well before then.

Delurking says

xrpb11a says

Congratulations. With all the hubbub you've created, it looks like you just funded your own demise....

The right wing is still pretty strong and has plenty of fight left in it still in this country yes.

I'm probably going to have to move out at some point this decade to a less insane place. This socio-economic order is going to collapse eventually since we don't have the political intelligence let alone maturity to address any of our problems.

Good thing I only have tens of thousands sunk in past FICA contributions and not hundreds of thousands. My collection date for that is in the 2030s and it's clear to me this country is going to have made a smoking crater in the ground well before then.

To where? If the US craters who's going to keep the rest of the world from killing each other?

zzyzzx says

No impact here either, but that's because I don't eat chicken. Around here Chick-fil-a's were packed. They showed it on the news.

In so far as gays having a kiss-in there on Friday, I'm sure that will make the news just the same.

LOL! they sold out all their food in the Bay Area... Yep thats right! Sold out Wed.. maybe even Thursday and Friday.

Delurking says

mell says

but to think of it as a civil right is ludicrous.

I have a hard time folding my brain to where you get the basis for thinking the ability for two people to form a legally-binding partnership for life is not a fundamental right.

Marriage is not about popping out babies. It's about equal partnerships between adults. THAT'S why it's a social good.

You already have that right by drafting and signing simple contracts between each other. Everybody has that right. What happened is that government intervention has given some people additional rights and duties mostly hidden out of plain sight, embedded in a bunch of legislature that nobody will ever read. It also gave itself and greedy lawyers a good grip on your life. This is what you are calling a civil right?

thomaswong.1986 says

LOL! they sold out all their food in the Bay Area... Yep thats right!

Wow, all their food at one restaurant sold out?

People in Fairfield must really hate gay marriage.

thomaswong.1986 says

Around here Chick-fil-a's were packed. They showed it on the news.

The American Poultry Lobby is laughing all the way to the bank.

leoj707 says

thomaswong.1986 says

LOL! they sold out all their food in the Bay Area... Yep thats right!

Wow, all their food at one restaurant sold out?

People in Fairfield must really hate gay marriage.

I just bought 10k worth of stock in Pepto.

back on topic:

leoj707 says

Wow, all their food at one restaurant sold out?

People in Fairfield must really hate gay marriage.

Sold out like so many other stores...So much for talk about any boycott... wont work!

During the 2008 presidential debate hosted by Pastor Rick Warren,
President Obama explained:

"I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian -- for me -- for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God's in the mix.
I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage."

oBaMa had the SAME opinion of what constitutes marriage that Don Cathy still has...until a month or so ago.

WHERE WAS THE OUTRAGE AGAINST hUSSAIn WHEN HE HAD THE SAME OPINION OF WHAT CONSTITUTED MARRIAGE ??

Why the double standard??? Is that something libs can't live without?