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Any of it. Are you saying I should "worship" the earth?

I'm not sure what worship means. I believe its latin for "Whore-Ship" See the Romans had "Whore-ships" sailing all over the Mediterranean. I don't think you can "Whore-ship" the earth, no.

Bizarre...

Yup. That ain't all there was a lot of confusion. When a whore-ship tried to dock in a fishing village. Thats when the fishermen started calling them hookers. See a hooker was a fisherman on a boat. Not all fishermen were hookers. Some put the catch in the hold. Some did this. Some did that. The women that came to the side of the boat. They nicknamed "hookers".

http://youtu.be/1BDJt30FmzI

ArtimusMaxtor says

I'm not sure what worship means. I believe its latin for "Whore-Ship" See the Romans had "Whore-ships" sailing all over the Mediterranean. I don't think you can "Whore-ship" the earth, no.

Nope, while l love a story about prostitution, it is actually from "worth" not "whore", and "ship" was not referring to a literal nautical sailing vessel.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=worship&allowed_in_frame=0
worship (n.)
O.E. worðscip, wurðscip (Anglian), weorðscipe (W.Saxon) "condition of being worthy, honor, renown," from weorð "worthy" (see worth) + -scipe (see -ship). Sense of "reverence paid to a supernatural or divine being" is first recorded c.1300. The original sense is preserved in the title worshipful (c.1300). The verb is recorded from c.1200.

ArtimusMaxtor says

Yup. That ain't all there was a lot of confusion. When a whore-ship tried to dock in a fishing village. Thats when the fishermen started calling them hookers. See a hooker was a fisherman on a boat. Not all fishermen were hookers. Some put the catch in the hold. Some did this. Some did that. The women that came to the side of the boat. They nicknamed "hookers".

Yeah, not quite right either:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=hooker&searchmode=none

hooker
"prostitute," often traced to the disreputable morals of the Army of the Potomac (American Civil War) under the tenure of Gen. "Fighting Joe" Hooker (early 1863), and the word might have been popularized by this association at that time (though evidence is wanting). But it is reported to have been in use in North Carolina c.1845 ("[I]f he comes by way of Norfolk he will find any number of pretty Hookers in the Brick row not far from French's hotel. Take my advice and touch nothing in the shape of a prostitute when you come through Raleigh, for in honest truth the clap is there of luxuriant growth." letter quoted in Norman E. Eliason, "Tarheel Talk," 1956).

One early theory traces it to Corlear's Hook, a section of New York City.

HOOKER. A resident of the Hook, i.e. a strumpet, a sailor's trull. So called from the number of houses of ill-fame frequented by sailors at the Hook (i.e. Corlear's Hook) in the city of New York. [John Russell Bartlett, "Dictionary of Americanisms," 1859]

Perhaps related to hooker "thief, pickpocket" (1560s), but most likely an allusion to prostitutes hooking or snaring clients. Hook in the figurative sense of "that by which anyone is attracted or caught" is recorded from early 15c.; and hook (v.) in the figurative sense of "catch hold of and draw in" is attested from 1570s; in reference to "fishing" for a husband or a wife, it was in common use from c.1800. All of which makes the modern sense seem a natural step. Cf. Fr. accrocheuse, raccrocheuse, common slang term for "street-walker, prostitute," lit. "hooker" of men.

The family name Hooker (attested from c.975 C.E.) would mean "maker of hooks," or else refer to an agricultural laborer who used a hook (cf. O.E. weodhoc "weed-hook").

ArtimusMaxtor says

I'm not sure what worship means.

Oh, so now that we got all the "whore-ship" business out of the way I can help you out here:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship

worship
noun
1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. ( initial capital letter ) British . a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually preceded by Your, His, or Her ).
verb (used with object)
6. to render religious reverence and homage to.
7. to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).
8. to render religious reverence and homage, as to a deity.
9. to attend services of divine worship.
10. to feel an adoring reverence or regard.

As you can see consistent with the etymology.

I hope this helps.

Son, Jesus, doesn't need your forgiveness.

Not really, You left out the Latin. Try doing a search on Whore ships in the Mediterranean. I hope this helps. Or try Whore ships of the Roman Empire.

ArtimusMaxtor says

Try doing a search on Whore Ships in the Mediterranean. I hope this helps.

You are going to have to send me a specific link. "Whore Ships in the Mediterranean" Google search did not have any results similar to your story (on the first page at least).

An interesting story, but the "whore-ships" are moot. They have nothing to do with the etymology of the word "worship".

Not really. Just because its not on the web does not mean it's not true. I mean they weren't like ocean liners filled with whores. Just small vessels filled with hookers for the officers in the Roman Army.

hook·er
2    [hook-er]

noun Nautical .
1.
Slang . any old-fashioned or clumsy vessel.

2.
any fishing vessel working with hooks and lines rather than nets.

I've got to go now. Leo your a pretty nice guy. I won't belabour the point. Just to say you just might know Rome and all the Catholic BS. Don't get me wrong, once again. Its a great place to have a drink and meet a babe. Its a great social organization. However its not unlike them to pull BS like that. I know to many and have been there. I actually consider you sane. Some of that stuff that comes with that "Church" I just don't know. I don't have a "religion" some of the stuff they do seems very strange.

ArtimusMaxtor says

Not really. Just because its not on the web does not mean it's not true. I mean they weren't like ocean liners filled with whores. Just small vessels filled with hookers for the officers in the Roman Army.

OH, yeah don't get me wrong. The story is believable, I am just not sure on the etymology of the words "hooker" and "worship". Prostitutes following military is an age old tradition. I think that the French Foreign Legion is the only "modern" western military that still has dedicated prostitutes.

ArtimusMaxtor says

I actually consider you sane.

Thanks.

NP Leoj. I noticed your list of all the religions. Really comprehensive. The Catholic Church is actually due to dealmaking. Some would not be so suprised at the players. It's soothing pablum to people who otherwise not have a God or an end to look forward to as they drudge their lives trying to be good for the bitter end. For the perpetrators of religious hoax. So they can make out with things like cheap labor. While the believers sit there and patiently take it. I consider that a rotten trick on people.

Our ancestors might understand the deals struck. Like I say not such a nice thing to do. We that are considered counter-culture. Or actually people that are not fooled. Find that being ruled by moray's that are part of a fake religion. Outrageous.

Which actually then includes us in religion as counter-culture. I don't much care for that.

See thats what I noticed. How can you include people. That have their own way of life. In religion. That aren't for the most part, part of any BS religion. Because they aren't stupid enough to be in religion.

My point is they organize religious people. Whole country is filled with churchs. Some people find that amazing. I find that a well behaved labor force, draftee's, good citizens without a thought to themselves. Working for others once again. Quietly. Taking out debt that makes them owe for a lifetime. Which their shitbag church's never bring up as usury.

I'm going to be the friend. I have always been. Didn't start yesterday. Goes back decades. If your organized in any way. If any of those organizations you may belong to get recognized on the debt merchant owned media. Or are affiliated with the ones tha dot get recognized. LOOK OUT. Because the people that engage in that kind of stuff (see above) are skilled manipulators and they are just screwing you.

See the game is hope against hope be a good boy till the next ruling. That disperses the angry and quells anger. So what you thought. Is true. I hate to see my good friends being jerked around and made fools of. If your categorized as religious or something of. Thats basically what they do with you. Also, really keep an eye on your "spokesmen" you might just have some really swift bastards in there doing that for them. Not really high level people. Just people doing it for the cash or the ones they owe or for a jobbie.

You'll go along with what they want in one form or another hoping against hope for a favorable ruling. When you don't get it. You will entrench yourself further in your selection of THEIR part of the system. Democrat, Republican or Independent. Divide up and have at it. They love that. The religious argument getting even larger. Giving religion even more validity. Which it does not deserve. The people that engage in doing these things to the populace are diabolical, no doubt.

Take note comes at primary time. When they run their phoney business. The one thing they have a hard time keeping down. That really makes them squirm. Is a minority in charge of a majority. Has never happened unless artificially induced in the history of the world. If you can ever get yourself out of the device. That they have so cleverly put you in. Just like all the people caught in the device of religion. You'll see. What suffering patiently is all about. Thats really setting yourself free.

So get ready for a little pander'n. A little song and dance possibly. If even from your part of the world. Be good. Cause you know things. They don't want you to know. They will just haul out the old routine anytime things get rough on them. Thats what really happened.

I'm not so easily caught in a trap. What you will see is maybe you have not been good. Therefore. In addition you must understand in order to validate religion. The little farce must go on and on. In order to keep you in line the same must continue. One always hoping the other one will come to their senses or the argument will be settled. Which never happens. Its just to spiffy a game for them to let to happen.

Can we get back to the topic of Christianity? How did we get to talking about whores on ships?

wthrfrk80 says

Can we get back to the topic of Christianity? How did we get to talking about whores on ships?

Sure I'm game.

Christianity has the virtue of praising the poor while also getting them to stop questioning the continuous forced transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.

If Jesus may come at any minute, then the unfairness taking from the poor and giving to the rich doesn't matter!

Better yet, the suppression of critical thought is elevated to the highest virtue. So the poor are explicitly instructed NOT to look for mistakes in what they are being taught. It's called "faith".

I don't have any problem with Jesus Himself. Excellent guy. Almost Buddha-like in wisdom. But the religion is definitely used by the rich to stay rich.

leoj707 says

Confucianism
Cao Dai
Juche
Mohism

Isn't that the political party that runs North Korea? What's the afterlife? Spending all of eternity as a really short guy in elevator shoes watching porn tapes? (I guess there could be worse fates...?)

leoj707 says

Happy Science

I ain't even gonna google that one. For once, I honestly do NOT want to know.

leoj707 says

Sithism

LOL, what?

PS: you forgot Pastafarianism a/k/a Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.

I don't have any problem with Jesus Himself. Excellent guy. Almost Buddha-like in wisdom. But the religion is definitely used by the rich to stay rich.

Not really a fair criticism. Buddhist monks were some of the biggest propagandists for getting Japanese to sign up as kamikaze pilots, and Tibetan Buddhism is historically actually one of the most savage theocracies that's ever existed.

'Course both Christianity and Buddhism have been "syncretized" to the point I doubt Jesus or Buddha would recognize their respective faiths. (Though I do think it is kinda cool that the Ethiopian branch of Coptic Christianity has as one of their main saints...Pontius Pilate, of all people. If I'd known that back in the day, I'd have asked to take that as my saint name at Confirmation time. Of course, the Catholic Church has no Saint Pontius Pilate, but maybe I could've snuck it through. After all, he is a saint, just not a Catholic one.)

Full disclosure – I’m a practicing Roman Catholic.

I also volunteer teaching religious education to 6th graders one day a week.

I’ll tell you what I tell my students… keep seeking truth, and you’ll find it.

More to the point – Christians by definition believe Jesus was “The Christ” the anointed one. The Messiah. What that means we can debate ad nauseam from a theological and historical perspective. In truth, the genealogy of the various denominations is quite interesting. But at the end of the day 1) Jesus was Jewish – what has become Christianity is a convention of his follows – and their attempt to emulate him and implement his teachings. 2) Christians across a wide swath of denominations mostly agree on Jesus’ teachings – that is to say what he said as related in the four “traditional gospels” plus portions of the Gnostic texts, Gospel Q, etc.

Religion is an attempt by man to understand God and answer fundamental questions – who am I? why am I here? How should I treat my fellow man? On a deeper level its an attempt to grapple with what sets us apart from other animals, how we deal with our own motility, and things of that sort.

Even if you think Christianity is a bunch of BS and don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God. I’d still encourage you to study his teachings. If you keep an open mind, you’d be surprised at how much they resonate with you.

Some of the eastern philosophies encapsulate the same spirit. The essence that our time is finite, and we must treat each other with dignity, respect and compassion. Remember – there are many paths, but only one way. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Zoroastrian – the core tenants are virtual identical – love your god with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. The rest will take its own path from there, but the goal eternal oneness with the creator, is the same. I wish you luck in your search.

Darwin proved that Christianity is BS. There never was a Garden of Eden paradise with no death, and humans are not "special" relative to other life forms. Death and suffering have always been; it was not the result of Adam and Eve disobeying God.

Paul links Christs death on the cross to salvation. Paul says, as in Adam all die, as in Christ so all shall be made alive.

So much for Paul's supposed divine inspiration.

I suppose if Christianity is reduced to "Jesus was a nice wise philosopher who pissed off the authorities and got whacked", then Christianity is "true." But all the stuff about sin, atonement, salvation, and eternal life is BS. Darwin proved that.

The folks in Dayton, Tennessee knew the implications of evolution, so they fought it. Yes, they looked like fools, but at least they knew what they were up against.

I don't have any problem with Jesus Himself. Excellent guy. Almost Buddha-like in wisdom.

The Buddha comparison was kind of a joke. Of course Christians would say Jesus is far superior, so it was a little provocation on my part. Sorry.

But seriously, Jesus and Buddha had remarkably similar teachings about defeating hate with love. A kind of moral judo. Knowledge of Buddhism had made it to Greece and Egypt before Jesus was born, so there could easily have been some adoption in Christianity of Buddhist ideas.

Lumpenprole says

Isn't that the political party that runs North Korea? What's the afterlife? Spending all of eternity as a really short guy in elevator shoes watching porn tapes? (I guess there could be worse fates...?)

Yes, and it is a religion in that the "dear leader" is essentially divine, and revered as such. Many supernatural instances are attributed to him; such as upon his birth winter spontaneously turned to spring. Of course my favorite being that he neither poops or pees.

Lumpenprole says

leoj707 says

Sithism

LOL, what?

PS: you forgot Pastafarianism a/k/a Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.

Damn, I tried deleting the "silly" religions -- i.e. religions that even the followers have never actually believed to be true -- from the list, but it looks like I missed one.

*ah, hemm...*
not that "real" religions have any more evidence to prove their "truth" than a "silly" religion does

leoj707 says

Of course my favorite being that he neither poops or pees.

In Catholic school (3rd grade) we students speculated that nuns do not poop or pee because they were never observed to enter or exit any bathroom.

Lumpenprole says

Not really a fair criticism. Buddhist monks were some of the biggest propagandists for getting Japanese to sign up as kamikaze pilots, and Tibetan Buddhism is historically actually one of the most savage theocracies that's ever existed.

Yes, thank you. This is something that most people don't seem to know or like to forget.

While I am not fan of how the Chinese government chooses to treat people a good argument can be made that the average Tibetan is better off and more "fairly" treated under the current Chinese rule that they were under the opulent theocratic -- and yes savage -- dictatorship run by the Dali-lama. Only after his failure to seize power through violent means the Lama turned to peace, love and Hollywood.

It is amazing to me that people take the Dali-lama so seriously.

leoj707 says

Of course my favorite being that he neither poops or pees.

In Catholic school (3rd grade) we students speculated that nuns do not poop or pee because they were never observed to enter or exit any bathroom.

Funny, perhaps you did not see the large deliveries of adult diapers coming in the back door.

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Even if you think Christianity is a bunch of BS and don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God. I’d still encourage you to study his teachings. If you keep an open mind, you’d be surprised at how much they resonate with you.

I agree that people should at least have some familiarity with the bible, and read it with an open mind.

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Zoroastrian – the core tenants are virtual identical – love your god with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Hmmm... see, it is comments like this that make me think you have not been reading the bible with an open mind. When Jesus preaches: hate your family, and he is here to bring the sword not peace, and true followers can drink poison and not be harmed, etc. a person with an open mind does not cherry pick around these teachings and try to explain them away as metaphor. And, don't forget that as a christian if you see your neighbor mowing their lawn on a Sunday you need to rush over there and kill them -- as god's law commands.

Also, if love -- of god, and neighbors -- were such a core tenant of christianity then why are they not in the 10 commandments. In these core christian beliefs god commands your worship, and will punish those that hate him, but does not ask for love. He does however command that you show mercy to others that love him. As far as neighbors go don't commit any erotic thought crime concerning his wife, but nothing about being nice to your neighbor let alone loving them.

I do appreciate your disclosure, and comments, but I just don't think that reading the bible with a truly open mind will have the results that you are hoping for.

The problem is that the bible is a very poor moral guide. The teaching therein can and has been used to support and endorse any behavior. With the understanding of course that the perpetrator of such acts worships El Shaddai, and follows some "minor" rules like don't wear cotton wool blends, or how to properly beat your slaves.

In my moral view probably one of the worst things someone can do is abuse and rape children. If I was god -- which by the way, no one can prove that I am not -- that would be #1 on my list of "thou shall not" commandments. There is no direct prohibition on raping and murdering kids in the bible, but I guess that is all just part of gods plan.

leoj707 says

Of course my favorite being that he neither poops or pees.

In Catholic school (3rd grade) we students speculated that nuns do not poop or pee because they were never observed to enter or exit any bathroom.

Oh, I almost forgot about "Everybody Poops" has been debunked. So maybe the Kim Jung Ill and the nuns have found a way around it.

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/03/everyone-poops-debunked.html

Now, “everybody poops” is a conjecture based on the rather shallow theory that everybody eats, and since what goes in must come out, everybody poops. So, what about the male of the moth detailed in Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation: The Definitive Guide to the Evolutionary Biology of Sex by Olivia Judson? This moth lays its eggs in the ears of bats. When the eggs hatch, there is one male and several females. The male incestuously mates with his sisters, who then fly away to find bats of their own, while the male stays behind and dies. Most interestingly, the male is born without mouth parts, and therefore cannot eat. To paraphrase St. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 3:10, “If a moth will not eat, he shall not poop.” So much for the brave conjecture.

I've never seen one take a shit. I'm sure it happens way more than we suspect. It's even at the door. There is also another verse in the bible that says "If a moth will not eat. He will not hump" It's a hidden verse. It has to do with eating but than again who the fuck cares.

HOLY SHIT! MIC CHECK.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/7QSyaBHr1jU

As we taxied down the runway
I could hear the people shout
They said, "Don't come back here Yankee!"

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ung4zxDKMfY

Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

REALLY?

Heres what it really says:

RomansRgone Route 66: Let every person be subject to anyone with shit for brains that sounds like hes in charge. For there is no authority from God. Because thats not how it works. He really could care less what you do. Someone better pull these bastards back. Because I'm really pissed.

ArtimusMaxtor

So what is life all about? Where did we come from? Is there any purpose for living? Is there any absolute rights and wrongs?

finally, have you had a bad experience with church?

Paul

wthrfrk80

It is easy to attack anyone or anything (especially with mute arguments) but what do you believe?

Paul

Christians are made to be totally ignorant of the earth in many cases. They are experts on outer space. Of shit no ones knows about or can find. They are happy little destroyers of the earth. That go right along with the people who love too plunder the earth. Its of a people made to be totally ignorant. Willing little lackey's in the employ of people that love stealing or taking what is not theirs to begin with.

You tell me paulma. If the gold on a thousand hills are His what fucking right do they have to be taking and buying and selling his gold?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/WtuoFv4dcwM

Carefull this video may be Radio active.

Ivan Sudakov lead singer

You do know some things slick. So lets be frank.

If you think the people in that video just hatched out of a pod. You have another thing coming. You might be asking yourself. Why would someone intentionally want to spend a long time burning. (What your afraid of). What they laugh at. They are kind of obvious in this video. Aren't they? Then ask yourself. Why are you asked to be a little child with no senses. Opening you up to every con, swindeler and near-do-well that shows up in your life. Being told that God will get them in the end. While they run off with everything you have? Not that you would of course. You don't take that seriously. So how the fuck do you expect anyone here to take you seriously. Deal is people here aren't stupid. Don't ask them to be. They don't like it. Nor do they like someone coming in here trying to make them ignorant.

I can tell I will get frustrated. With what your going to say. Because your just pretty damn sure. There is a hell your going to burn in forever. If you use some fucking common sense. Giving me some kind of rational answer. There are several people on this board that understand. However I feel you won't and if you do stick around here. There will be a huge fucking religious explosion. Not like the 2 vanloads of C4 they parked in both basements of trade towers either. Motive: Discovery of the second largest oil field in the middle east in Iraq. While Iraq was under sanction, being explored. No it may be a Jesus-Elton John explosion. Which frankly I don't think I can live through one more of those.

ArtimusMaxtor

You sound like a very unhappy person. Did you have a bad experience at a Roman Catholic church?

True Christianity bring peace, joy and victory. I recommend it to you.

Paul

Thanks for answering my question with a question. I've got fucking joy, peace and victory. Some things irritate me. Stop giving me pat answers. I'm not a customer. Or go study your book. Or ask for your friends to prey for me. I love having people that wonder about outer space preying for me.

God never gave you anything. Youv'e preyed till your preyer closets buckled. He gave you two arms and legs and a brain for a reason.

The Catholic church is a great social organization. I don't believe their bullshit of course. Which gave birth to your bullshit like it or not. Some of my best friends are from there. All kinds of friends, picnics, baseball, basketball football, great food. Many good memories. They let you drink beer. A place bountiful with fine pussy. I highly recommend it for a great time. Just don't buy their religious bullshit. The priests were nice friendly guys. The nuns not so friendly. No one tried to touch my pee-pee either. So in my experince. I never encountered or even heard of something like that in my days there. I consider it a wonderful social experience.

I've even been to your kind of church. Nice people, friendly, no beer, basketball, sports. The pussy is pretty good. Most of these people in both places like me. I like them also. I hate to see people being used. Yes there is a purpose for Chrisitans, Catholics, Muslims etc being good people. Its pacification of otherwise thinking people. That would do for themselves. Not falling in line. With what others want. Making sure they pay their debt. Having them help tear up the earth by helping the people that wrote what you read taking anything and everything they want. Theirs or not in one form or another.

One day you'll figure out the user's that wrote that NT want you to be a good boy. A. So you won't bother them. B. So you will work indefinitely for them for very little. Or you will borrow cash from them for a student loan, car, house, television becoming a debt slave. Believe me debt will be your little miricle when you marry little Becky or whoever you marry. Everyone in your church is up to their ass in debt. OR they will draft you into some war you will happly go into. Get your head blown off because A. It's the patriotic thing to do. B. You don't know any better. You better wake up kid. This country is run by animals that invade other lands, continually making up spurious reasons. Like human shields for tanks, rape, child killing and things like, chemical weapons in Iraq. A country sanctioned and inspected by 22 nations. Where you couldn't take a shit without someone knowing it.

The earths a great place. If you stop following stupidity and be your own man. Use your head. Stop being a useful idiot.

Truth of it is there are just as many people on the earth that DON'T help themselves to whatever they want. The ones that do help themselves are making this a shithole for everyone else. People even the ones in debt need to stop and think about that. Think about why their part of the earth is so barren. Thats why they have to have everything trucked in. So stand with me.......

http://www.youtube.com/embed/z7Yakl_xIkc

ArtimusMaxtor says

The Catholic church is a great social organization. I don't believe their bullshit of course. Which gave birth to your bullshit like it or not.

wrong ... but dont let facts slow you down now ...