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Well yes, of course there is massive systematic election fraud as well, but what I'm complaining about here is the millions who still vote Democrat every single time, even as the Democrats openly ruin their lives in a hundred ways.

Patrick says

Well yes, of course there is massive systematic election fraud as well, but what I'm complaining about here is the millions who still vote Democrat every single time, even as the Democrats openly ruin their lives in a hundred ways.

How did you feel about people voting for George W. Bush in 2004 over Kerry, when it was obvious that Bush lies about Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program?

We are given two shitty choices, picked, by the parties.

I may still be naive at my age, but I think generally, people are good but there are no good selections and again, a major problem is many people are propagandized. They're victims, not bad people. They are misinformed.

It takes a TREMENDOUS amount of effort to realize you are living in a matrix of lies. I know this directly. What I suspected at 30, was absolutely true at 50, but there's nobody to tell you this. It's a tremendous effort to figure out what is actually going on. There's dummies that believe that Trump is a racist, sexist, criminal, simply because the media has claimed this for 6 years - I know what they think, "if this wasn't true, SURELY somebody in our FREE PRESS would correct it!" - we don't have a free press. The realization that is true is difficult to accept.

Patrick says

Well yes, of course there is massive systematic election fraud as well, but what I'm complaining about here is the millions who still vote Democrat every single time, even as the Democrats openly ruin their lives in a hundred ways.

The indoctrination at school done by the teachers + the indoctrination at home by the MSM = Current Democrat Voters

richwicks says

We have systemic election fraud.

Don't blame the population, blame the criminal syndicate that has seized control of our government.

It was seized at LEAST 20 years ago. Taken way longer than I EVER possibly imagined, but finally, people are starting to realize it.

Obozo was elected to end the fucking wars, he didn't, he expanded them. We have ZERO control over our government, and haven't had any control over our government for 2 decades.

Our government, consistently, engages in murdering people across the world, and lying about why they do it. Our press is a major problem, a good portion of the population no longer trusts the lying fucks, but they still don't understand our elections are bullshit. It's easy to hate the population when you think they elected "that motherfucker", the reality is, that motherfucker wasn't elected.

I'll double down on @richwicks - there hasn't been a just federal law written since the early 1970's. Case in point - paying by credit card offers the greatest protection against fraud or theft, even more so than ACH transactions (fuck zelle or their ilk, you have NO recourse if something goes wrong), and it was actually written by the legislators in the early 1970's. The CC companies were so desperate to expand their business that they agreed to these laws. Now you can argue that a CC can be tracked like the bejesus, but that wasn't possible until the late 90's, so I stand by the fact that the legislators actually did a good job back then, and yes, it was completely perverted over time.

Contrast that with how laws have been written over the last 10, 20, maybe even 30 years - "You can read it once you've voted for it." The industry writes the laws that the corrupt legistators rubber stamp.

People vote Democrat to get free money.
That dimwit loser in Florida won; she had signs around saying she would give everyone $1000/month.
It's money and freebies that they all want.

clambo says

That dimwit loser in Florida won; she had signs around saying she would give everyone $1000/month.

I don't doubt it, but pictures and video are always welcome.

She called it "peoples prosperity plan"
Five votes by losers put her in.
She said anyone making under $75k would get free money.

clambo says

People vote Democrat to get free money.
That dimwit loser in Florida won; she had signs around saying she would give everyone $1000/month.
It's money and freebies that they all want.

This is the problem with Democrat and their corrupt population, they just buy the votes in the name of 'free programs'. There got be some kind of measure not to print and buy votes.

clambo says

She called it "peoples prosperity plan"
Five votes by losers put her in.
She said anyone making under $75k would get free money.

Again, don't doubt but:

1) that's from a "news" article - in other words our propaganda.
2) I want to see a sign that was posted.

I know how corrupt our government is, but our government isn't 1/10th corrupt as our "news" media.

Also: BTW - the checks will never show up, of course. Just like the $2000 checks people were supposed to get for electing the hair sniffing child predator Biden.

clambo says

It's money and freebies that they all want.

Reminds me of the "bread and circuses" that kept the plebeians passive in Rome.

richwicks says

How did you feel about people voting for George W. Bush in 2004 over Kerry, when it was obvious that Bush lies about Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program?

We are given two shitty choices, picked, by the parties.

Right, that was mass stupidity as well.

I'm not a fan of the Republican party establishment, but the only hope for popular control of government is the MAGA Republicans. So it's a choice between 100% corrupt Democrats, and 80% corrupt Republicans.

Patrick says

I'm not a fan of the Republican party establishment, but the only hope for popular control of government is the MAGA Republicans. So it's a choice between 100% corrupt Democrats, and 80% corrupt Republicans.

I'm in full agreement.

My major issue is war. It's wasteful, expensive, and useless. War is used to launder money, and pay off corrupt corporations and politicians but it's worse than that, it's covered up by state sanctioned murder.

I'm not anti-war, but when war IS necessary, you win with clear objectives and war should be a last resort. For the last 30 years, our government has shown no desire to settle disputes through negotiation. I'm tired of it. They make EXCUSES for war, and even when the excuses are shown to be nonsense, they still go to war. They murder people as a shield for theft, from the American public.

I say that war is necessary only when the physical territory of the US is attacked.

Americans should never be dying to protect foreigners, especially because it's never even really about protecting foreigners, but always about promoting some corporate or government insider financial interest. "War is a racket" as Smedley Butler wrote.

Patrick says

I say that war is necessary only when the physical territory of the US is attacked.

Americans should never be dying to protect foreigners, especially because it's never even really about protecting foreigners, but always about promoting some corporate or government insider financial interest. "War is a racket" as Smedley Butler wrote.

This is precisely correct.

Did Corporation X make a bad investment in Nation Y? Oh fucking well for them. That's how it should be, but instead, it's either have the CIA overthrow the government there, or get Americans killed to overthrow the government. That's what Operation PBSucess was about, and whatever bullshit operation there was to attempt to overthrow Cuba.

Fuck this. I'm tired of my government protecting stupid decisions by crap corporations. Let them fail.

Patrick says

I say that war is necessary only when the physical territory of the US is attacked.

Americans should never be dying to protect foreigners, especially because it's never even really about protecting foreigners, but always about promoting some corporate or government insider financial interest. "War is a racket" as Smedley Butler wrote.

Defending your homeland is patriotism. Warring on foreign lands is conquest for empire.

stereotomy says

Defending your homeland is patriotism. Warring on foreign lands is conquest for empire.

Again, I don't disagree with that either.

The purpose of the military is to enforce the Constitution FIRST against domestic elements, and SECOND foreign ones, then finally to protect the integrity of this nation.

They are failing on all counts.

clambo says

I stand corrected.

What a cunt.

Patrick says

Americans should never be dying to protect foreigners, especially because it's never even really about protecting foreigners, but always about promoting some corporate or government insider financial interest

Like our decades long stay in Saudi Arabia and assorted countries in the Middle East and Africa ?

richwicks says

Fuck this. I'm tired of my government protecting stupid decisions by crap corporations. Let them fail.

How much are you willing to pay for a tank of gas, a tank of home heating oil or anything else dependent on petroleum, if we opt out of protecting the House of Saud and let the chips fall where they may ?

I am all for the House of Saud failing spectacularly

DD214 says

richwicks says

Fuck this. I'm tired of my government protecting stupid decisions by crap corporations. Let them fail.

How much are you willing to pay for a tank of gas, a tank of home heating oil or anything else dependent on petroleum, if we opt out of protecting the House of Saud and let the chips fall where they may ?

I am not willing to murder for my comfort.

We were energy self sufficient only 2 years ago. There's no need to kill for COMFORT.

Fuck the Sa'ud Family, they are mobsters. If our nation had any integrity, they would exterminate them. The are criminals, nothing more.

clambo says

shes an ultimate hustler

DD214 says

Patrick says

Americans should never be dying to protect foreigners, especially because it's never even really about protecting foreigners, but always about promoting some corporate or government insider financial interest

Like our decades long stay in Saudi Arabia and assorted countries in the Middle East and Africa ?

Exactly.

We should never have been there. It was only for getting cheap oil, and preventing rivals from getting that cheap oil.

Trump proved we can be self-sufficient in oil.

richwicks says

Fuck the Sa'ud Family, the are mobsters.

Yes, they are. The luring and murdering of dissident Jamal Khashoggi was pretty spectacular proof.

Patrick says

Yes, they are. The luring and murdering of dissident Jamal Khashoggi was pretty spectacular proof.

Biden reneges on ‘consequences’, requests immunity for Saudi crown prince tied to Khashoggi murder

https://americanwirenews.com/biden-reneges-on-consequences-requests-immunity-for-saudi-crown-prince-tied-to-khashoggi-murder/?utm_term=email

Patrick says

richwicks says

Fuck the Sa'ud Family, the are mobsters.

Yes, they are. The luring and murdering of dissident Jamal Khashoggi was pretty spectacular proof.

to be fair all governments are mobsters. there are no better people in power.

richwicks says

My major issue is war. It's wasteful, expensive, and useless. War is used to launder money, and pay off corrupt corporations and politicians but it's worse than that, it's covered up by state sanctioned murder.

Wars are fought to continue to maintain dollar as the world's reserve currency and to some extent give back to the campaign donors. If we didn't go to wars, the country could potentially collapse. Its a part of the economy like housing, automobiles, sports etc.

Patrick says

I'm not a fan of the Republican party establishment, but the only hope for popular control of government is the MAGA Republicans. So it's a choice between 100% corrupt Democrats, and 80% corrupt Republicans.

This is depressing. Its a hopeless situation.

@gabbar It's not hopeless if we all keep telling the truth and get enough people to demand fair elections.

gabbar says

richwicks says

My major issue is war. It's wasteful, expensive, and useless. War is used to launder money, and pay off corrupt corporations and politicians but it's worse than that, it's covered up by state sanctioned murder.

Wars are fought to continue to maintain dollar as the world's reserve currency and to some extent give back to the campaign donors. If we didn't go to wars, the country could potentially collapse. Its a part of the economy like housing, automobiles, sports etc.

I prefer collapse in this case.

We were and can be again a great nation. We should lead by example, not force.

richwicks says

I prefer collapse in this case.

Your bank account and any other assets you don't physically have in hand will disappear.

gabbar says

Wars are fought to continue to maintain dollar as the world's reserve currency and to some extent give back to the campaign donors. If we didn't go to wars, the country could potentially collapse. Its a part of the economy like housing, automobiles, sports etc.

How exactly does maintaining the fiat dollar as the worlds reserve currency benefit the average American? Seems to me maintaining the fiat dollar's reserve currency status only serves the interest of the few who directly control the issuance of fiat dollar at the expense of the vast majority of Americans, at least in two ways: 1. driving down the price of the fruits of most Americans' labor by easily securing alternative/replacement from overseas; aka, shipping jobs overseas and shipping capital overseas; 2. selectively bail out a few gamblers at the expense of everyone else, the latter including the overwhelming majority of Americans. What makes you think you are among the bailed out instead of one of those carrying the burden of those bail-outs? To the extent that American taxpayers have to pay for the burden of upkeeping a vast war machine, that is a further burden on their shoulders only to debase the value of their own labor (can be easily replaced by imports and/or foreign workers). The overwhelming majority of Americans would be far better off if the fiat dollar is replaced by sound money (e.g. the original constitutional money based on bimetallism, either gold or silver depending on whichever is more abundant vs. the 16:1 ratio).

Don't get me wrong, I do see a valid reason for small scale conflicts in testing out equipment and tactics as well as in keeping the troops in good fighting conditions. However, large scale war-making as "a part of the economy"? Do you use the same argument to justify narcotic drug dealing and contract murder? The question is actually even more relevant than you think: shipping drugs via Mena airport outside Little Rock Arkansas to poison the American public then use the money to fund contract murders in Central America was literally how the Clintons built their career, before moving onto bigger wars.

The real strength of America doesn't come from Imperial fiat (by a bunch of crooks pretending to be wise men/women, who are really moronic cucks and shrilly whores, like Obama's white mother that slept with all the cucks in the agency and murdered her (ex-)husband, Obama's actually black dad), but from the ingenuity of Americans who are not hampered by government over-reach like in other countries.

Patrick says

Your bank account and any other assets you don't physically have in hand will disappear.

Is it better to be able to choose among multiple competing banks, or is it better to trust a centralized monopoly as your bank? We know all banks eventually fail.

Patrick says

richwicks says

I prefer collapse in this case.

Your bank account and any other assets you don't physically have in hand will disappear.

I'm OK with that.

I tired of my criminal government, and I'm conformable with poverty to remove it.

What sustains this is what people fear to lose. I'm OK with removing our government. It will happen eventually anyhow.

I agree let it happen while I'm still able body.

The script that the Democrats are using is the Cloward Piven Strategy.

As far as tactics, they employ a lot of Saul Alinsky's teachings in order to achieve the strategy.

What is interesting is there is a photo of Professors Cloward and Piven standing behind Bill Clinton when he signed the Motor Voter Law.

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ad says

he script that the Democrats are using is the Cloward Piven Strategy.

What is Cloward Piven Strategy? Never heard this before. I will research about it.

Patrick says

gabbar It's not hopeless if we all keep telling the truth and get enough people to demand fair elections.

You mentioned this earlier, food and circus. We have a population that is not hungry and has limitless access to entertainment. Under these conditions, I don't think human biology will inspire itself for the struggle/battle/war of demanding fair elections. I could be wrong but the odds are not in favor. I hope I am totally wrong with this stupid theory.

gabbar says

You mentioned this earlier, food and circus. We have a population that is not hungry and has limitless access to entertainment. Under these conditions, I don't think human biology will inspire itself for the struggle/battle/war of demanding fair elections. I could be wrong but the odds are not in favor. I hope I am totally wrong with this stupid theory.

The biggest beneficiary of free and fair elections is not actually the public but the ruling class itself: it's a way of making the political game run under parameters similar to a disarmament treaty instead of escalating to the proverbial one-shot Prisoners' Dilemma. Escalating power concentration and social immobility usually leads to a diminishing pie and the ruling class having to kill each other for the shrinking slices, eventually getting their offspring (if not themselves) exterminated altogether. How quickly a society falls into that blackhole depends on the level of Narcissism, especially Covert Narcissism produced by the education system, which often has an exam element that attracts extreme short-term thinking and regurgitation, instead of creativity, individual risk-taking and long-term thinking. Relatively comfortable economic conditions actually help prevent the ruling class and their minions becoming too Narcissistic too short-sighted. There is a reason why the most Narcissistic elements of the bureaucracy tend to recruit from the relatively poor youths, or the unsuccessful among the scions.