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richwicks says

As bad that #2 and #3 were, I'd say this is significantly worse.

So, it's bad, but it isn't one of those movies that is so bad it's good?

Some of the American Horror Story series manage to step back a little bit and camp quite a bit on all of the diversity, gay and politically correct stuff in self parody. Almost makes it palatable because it doesn't take itself seriously.

Ceffer says

So, it's bad, but it isn't one of those movies that is so bad it's good?

Ever seen a film in which the characters keep taking inexplicable actions which have no motivations? Like in Prometheus, the two guys run away because they are scared of 2000 year old dead body, but then one of them tries to get cuddly with some weird LIVING snake creature and is killed by it?

This film is like that.

There's no explanation as to why Neo and Trinity are 1) resurrected and 2) put into a new matrix and 3) kept apart and 4) had their memories erased and 5) are being forcibly kept in the matrix.

SJW BS wasn't the problem of the film, it's just it made no fucking sense to me at all.

I swear, anybody that has any writing ability or is able to think like a NORMAL human being isn't allowed to write for Hollyweird anymore. The script just makes no fucking sense at all.

I just want to see a coherent plot one more time damnit!

Yup. Hollywood must be torture for talented screenwriters if they are even hired over the spoiled, talentless connected dynastic brats who seem to be in charge these days.

"Hey, you didn't put enough black computer geniuses in that script, go re-do it!"

Ceffer says

Wachowski brothers became Wachowski sisters after the original Matrix movies were made. What could possibly go wrong?

Holy shit, they did. Ugh.

Ceffer says

Yup. Hollywood must be torture for talented screenwriters if they are even hired over the spoiled, talentless connected dynastic brats who seem to be in charge these days.

There's the whole internet saying "you screwed up here, this makes no sense, this character has no motivation" etc - but the response is, get rid of comments on IMDB, turn off comments on Youtube and even remove downvotes, and censor user comments on Rotten Tomatoes. It's clear they don't want input.

Back when Babylon 5 was a thing, many people would propose plot ideas, only to have the writers say "don't send us this stuff, we can't use it because of possible litigation" so people started prefacing their posts by saying whatever idea that they proposed was "public domain / free for use" knowing they didn't want to be a writer anyhow, and any idea they came up with would never make them money regardless.

It wasn't the best series, but I can say with certainty that some of the ideas thrown out there were used.

It's quite clear at this point that nobody in Hollywierd wants to get input, so, I predict film to be a dead artform by 2050. I think it will become more distributed and done by hobbyists in the future.

richwicks says

The whole culmination of the film is Neo and Trinity recognizing who they originally were and they get back together and meet in the "real world" and return to the matrix.

The plot or let's call it, the primary theme (or prime directive in Star Trek terms) is the "Rise of Trinity". In this new Matrix, Keanu is reduced to finally becoming a washed up John Wick (w/ a bank account from designing software) and Trinity needs to shine in his place, much like Rey in Star Wars against both Han and Luke, nevermind the other clowns of Finn & Poe.

Does the rest of the story make any sense? Nope!

Rin says

The plot or let's call it, the primary theme (or prime directive in Star Trek terms) is the "Rise of Trinity". In this new Matrix, Keanu is reduced to finally becoming a washed up John Wick (w/ a bank account from designing software) and Trinity needs to shine in his place, much like Rey in Star Wars against both Han and Luke, nevermind the other clowns of Finn & Poe.

I don't think this was a SJW story.

It was just a crap story.

Trinity didn't turn out to be a Mary Sue, at the WORST, the film suggested that the two were more powerful together than apart, symbiotic. I can appreciate that, even though it's kind of hackneyed.

Still, I would not recommend this film. It's convoluted, and it's nonsensical. Characters do things that make no sense and there's no explanations for what takes place when there needs to be explanation. For some reason, both are resurrected in a new matrix, for some reason both have their memories wiped, for some reason they are being held captive in this new matrix, for some reason the machines that control this new matrix want to keep them apart.

Why?

It's a very contrived film. The Wachowskis were a one hit wonder. Rumors were they STOLE the first script - and now I suspect that is true, because they didn't understand the underlying meaning of the script. Basically, "the Matrix" is nothing more than an allegory for our (at the time) current propaganda - a false reality. The machines represented the government/propagandists and the red pilled people represented those that overcame this false reality which didn't just become machines themselves, but people. The 2nd and 3rd films were just uninspired money makers.

This 4th film, is just a money grab since everything they've made since their original film has been a failure, but one "woman" sat it out. Maybe he/she is the real talent of the duo. We'll see.

richwicks says

Trinity didn't turn out to be a Mary Sue, at the WORST, the film suggested that the two were more powerful together than apart, symbiotic. I can appreciate that, even though it's kind of hackneyed.

Yes, I stopped watching by that point in time. I was already bored out of my mind.

richwicks says

This 4th film, is just a money grab since everything they've made since their original film has been a failure, but one "woman" sat it out. Maybe he/she is the real talent of the duo. We'll see.

Since I'm not watching, I hope to never see.

richwicks says

The Wachowskis were a one hit wonder. Rumors were they STOLE the first script - and now I suspect that is true, because they didn't understand the underlying meaning of the script. Basically, "the Matrix" is nothing more than an allegory for our (at the time) current propaganda - a false reality. The machines represented the government/propagandists and the red pilled people represented those that overcame this false reality

A vast majority of Matrix viewers don't know of the Cyberpunk genre

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk

In terms of the mainstream, movies like Minority Report & the Matrix would be the most successful Cyperpunk films but because the average viewers have little concept of the realm, they think that it's revolutionary and ahead of its time when it isn't.

I always think of William Gibson when I hear the word cyberpunk.

RC2006 says

I always think of William Gibson when I hear the word cyberpunk.

Well, he did write the original "Neuromancer", as well as a the first Keanu Reeves dystopian story, "Johnny Mnemonic".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer?source=patrick.net

So yeah, the mainstream "Matrix" fans are way behind their times, if they think that that movie was revolutionary. The "Matrix" was Gibson's "Neuromancer" but as a fleshed out screenplay than a one off novella.

There's a Cyberpunk 2077 computer game for playstation, maybe I'll get it, but supposed to be buggy. I love the Deus EX series games, played the first one on Mac computer.

https://www.gamestop.com/video-games/playstation-4/products/cyberpunk-2077---playstation-4/202330.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA_JWOBhDRARIsANymNOaLVePJBTWQmnRic5tx0JWI3GHpBkbJUebcJXtmFYhpsum4HA78dH8aAlwQEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&source=patrick.net

Seems like the whole point of this movie is to demonstrate our reality - especially those who might question it - as recursive. Like one of those endless Mandelbrot thingys. The temple creeps in Hyperborea are laughing at us!

Did they replace all the white people in this sequel as well?

Well, a "woke" version of The Matrix was predicted in 1994:
https://youtu.be/XVfCEzdWi-U?source=patrick.net

Sorry for the YouTube link, can't find it elsewhere.

Yeah it really is that guy from The Matrix.

IMHO, the 'Matrix' was done, starting episode 1.

All of its Cyberpunk & cultural contributions were completed by movie's end and yes, Trinity's contribution was a joke, esp given that 'love could heal a bullet wound' was the punchline of that finale.

Afterwards, what was left to do? To have "Section 8" Zion denizens fight some roving sentenials?!

And when Neo & Trinity returned from their journey in the Matrix to Zion capital city & boinked away like any normal couple, that Neo was suppose to 'heal' these poor 3rd worlders, outside of his apartment building? Last I'd checked, he didn't have healing powers, only the ability to manipulate the computerized virtual reality of the Matrix. That entire Mother Theresa/Jesus Christ scene was a joke! The most he could do was give a pep talk and then perhaps, direct 'em towards Rin who could perhaps supply 'em with vitamins and supplements to heal their sore knees, swollen gums, hemorrhoids, etc.

Rin says

hemorrhoids

Dr Evil: "On the (w)hole, I think Preparation H feels good"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi5kXcc-TJ8&source=patrick.net

Tenpoundbass says

Ya'll remember Iwog tried to hijack the red pill, by saying it was when Men go their won way. Men Going Their Own Way.

What ever happened to iwog? Didn't he take off to Central America?

porkchopexpress says

What ever happened to iwog? Didn't he take off to Central America?

I think it was Chile, where 12 year olds can consent.

Onvacation says

porkchopexpress says

What ever happened to iwog? Didn't he take off to Central America?

I think it was Chile, where 12 year olds can consent.

That's right. He was giving off pedo vibes.

Rin says

Neo was suppose to 'heal' these poor 3rd worlders, outside of his apartment building? Last I'd checked, he didn't have healing powers, only the ability to manipulate the computerized virtual reality of the Matrix.

Neo was clearly doing and analyzing Pap smears in the movie. However, the scenes of Neo getting his Red Wings were left on the cutting room floor.

"Breitbart: New Matrix sequel is ‘Kill Me Now’ bad…"
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/12/23/matrix-resurrections-review-another-terrible-matrix-sequel/?source=patrick.net
"The sequels are nothing close to cool, primarily because Zion (the whole franchise is about saving the city of Zion) is uncool. Zion sucks. The people of Zion suck. They’re all boringly perfect and uncool, and there’s a bunch of boring people in charge instead of that badass Morpheus, who’s dumped in the background after getting emasculated by Mary Sue Pinkett-Smith. This is what we’re fighting for? This lame-ass Utopia? These awful people? Put me back in the Matrix, bitchez."

Ceffer says

Zion sucks.

Well ... it's kinda like some motif on Lagos Nigeria or perhaps, the South Side of Chicago from the Americana side.

Either way, it ain't no Saratoga Springs and thus, has little to offer versus being stuck in the Matrix itself where it's possible for someone like Cypher, to live a painless life, without living off Spam or some protein packs.

Was Klaus Barbie Schwab making a guest appearance dispensing insect protein paste packets to the happy?

porkchopexpress says

That's right. He was giving off pedo vibes.

Not just vibes. I'm convinced he was the real thing.

Ok, I decided to watch the ending of Matrix 4 and it was so lame that I regretted it.

First of all, Neo could not fly w/o Trinity's help. So yes, the movie was 'The Rise of Trinity' where the two needed to be co-joined for them to have any power and thus, the theme of the end thing was that Doogie Howser, the bad guy (a.k.a Analyst), kept these two bozos around each other w/ amnesia so that he could harness their collective power for his own Matrix protocol. And then, the former Agent Smith (not played by Hugo Weaving) gets to play anti-hero in saving the day for the couple.

Seriously, this is the whole construct of M4 ... that the love of Neo-Trinity could energetically stabilize an entire VR world led by Doggie Howser.

Watched it with kid, we both thought it sucked.

RC2006 says

Watched it with kid, we both thought it sucked.

No, sucked is a schlock vampire re-make, like 'Dracula 2000', where some bozo cuts himself over Dracula's coffin and thus, reawakens the Nosferatu and then ... you can pretty much predict the rest of the movie.

In contrast, M4 is just plain retarded. At least Dracula was banging a few hotties, including Jeri Ryan, so you could have some fun watching the film. M4 is not watchable.

Just watched it the other night. Agree it is terrible.
Not sure if it was literally lit on fire by the trannies after getting tired of being pressured by movie execs to make another (this is in the dialogue for the game, the naming of the after-bosses) or if it was just a projection of tranny mental illness (so many inuendo / code-language it was disgusting). I did have the thought that it would be pretty funny if someone shopped a troon's face over Rabbit, stubble and all, since obviously that character is a projection of what the trannys idealize themselves as.

I respect Keanu and whats-her-name showing fealty to the creators for giving them the original roles... I think that's the only reason those two came back (and the easy money, of course). It sounded like a sequel was planned so who knows if they can right the ship.