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mostly reader says

> richwicks
Arguing via doctored images now, are we?

Here, prefer the real one?



See, what we're supposed to believe is that Colin Powell brought in a deadly chemical weapon into the UN in a glass vial to present to the ambassadors there, and nobody saw a problem with that. Holding it with two fingers, good thing he didn't slip, or the world would be a better place, OR we would have found out that the vial was filled with Dick Cheney's cum.

mostly reader says

Google (or duckduckgo)

Haha. It's an open secret in Silicon Valley, where I live, that Google is basically a disinformation arm at this point of the intelligence agencies.



Find a source that doesn't fucking lie to my face.

I only go off on "who benefits" and my nation has no qualms whatsoever about sacrificing people's lives to promote an agenda.

I know:

1) a plane was shot down
2) the US disseminated doctored audio that supposedly proved Russia did it, audio that was proven to be falsified
3) the West confiscated everything from the plane and would not allow any Russian involvement
4) they didn't immediately release the recording of the black box, and today it's only available as a transcript
5) blaming Russia for the downing of the plane advantages US interests.
6) the United States engineered a coup in Ukraine, they didn't have a revolution.

That's it. I can draw a reasonable conclusion from that.

HunterTits says

None of that translates I into military capacity to stop Putin from rolling into Ukraine.

But that too, is not our problem.

Second part is absolutely true - in grand scheme of things Ukrainian problems are not US problems (other than losing ephemeral prestige of guaranteeing Budapest agreements). However, I liked Trump politics - sell arms to Ukraine. US gets $$$ and Ukraine can defend themselves. WIN-WIN!

I specifically pointed out duckduckgo. Why did you ignore it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17?source=patrick.net
"The responsibility for investigation was delegated to the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) and the Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT), who concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine."

It's dishonest to mention the falsified audio and not to mention LOADS, LOADS, and MORE LOADS of bullshit that Russia threw into the mix - from open forgeries to false witnesses. You are as far from "reasonable" as it gets. Your 6 points, particularly their selectivity, are damning. But not in a way that you seem to think.

richwicks says

Who cares what is "internationally recognized"? Why do YOU think this is relevant? Every fucking government is run by a criminal syndicate. Oh, the criminal syndicates don't "recognize" the country. As if anybody, including you, should give a shit about their dumb fucking "opinion".

By that logic, US invasion of Iraq and Syria is perfectly fine. Kurds wanted US troops there, they wanted US attack, so bombing Saddam and Assad was all fine and dandy...you apply different logic to Russia vs. USA.

richwicks says

Ukraine because the Donetsk region has a high number of Russians living there, S. Ossetia to repel invading Georgians at the request of the S. Ossetian government.

Kurds in Syria and Iraq, Albanians in Kosovo, etc. US behaves in exactly the same way as Russia.

richwicks says

Explain the logic. Being able to read Russian makes no difference, anymore that being able to read English makes any difference in understanding MY nation.

A lot of information about Russia is exclusively in Russian.

richwicks says

Really? Name the 7 wars.

Ukraine, Georgia twice, Moldova, CAR, Syria (they did not start but they participate), Libya (did not start but participate), Chechnya twice. Probably something else that I have forgotten.



richwicks says

No, a strong nationalistic Poland disadvantages the EU which in turn disadvantages the United States. A strong nationalistic anything in the EU is a disadvantage to the EU. They intend to become a singular political bloc. We all know that.

No we don't know that. Poland is extremely pro-American, and is widely hated in Europe for that. Strong Poland is a disadvantage to EU and an advantage to US as in they buy a lot of US weapons. Strong Poland is a disadvantage to Russia as in they will help Ukraine.

richwicks says

I'm pretty quick in spotting logical fallacies at this point.

Did you spot logical fallacies in your own reasoning, for example in all US invasions bad, all Russian invasions good?

About Malaysia airlines, the likely explanation is so-called "monkey with a grenade" or in Russian "obez'jana s granatoi". Russians gave local Donbass alcoholics an advanced weapon system and they fired at SOMETHING, which turned out to be a civilian aircraft. There is a snippet of local Donbass separatist news where an hr after downing the airplane they boasted about shooting down Kiev regime transport plane. One of Donbas separatist leaders (Girkin) admitted to shooting down the plane.

But of course all of this information is in Russian, and knowledge of Russian is not necessary for some to come to conclusions about anything happening in former USSR...

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Who cares what is "internationally recognized"? Why do YOU think this is relevant? Every fucking government is run by a criminal syndicate. Oh, the criminal syndicates don't "recognize" the country. As if anybody, including you, should give a shit about their dumb fucking "opinion".

By that logic, US invasion of Iraq and Syria is perfectly fine. Kurds wanted US troops there, they wanted US attack, so bombing Saddam and Assad was all fine and dandy...you apply different logic to Russia vs. USA.

No, the invasions didn't do anything for the United States. It has only hurt the United States. My definition of the "United States" doesn't mean "the government of the United States", it's the people of the United States.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Ukraine because the Donetsk region has a high number of Russians living there, S. Ossetia to repel invading Georgians at the request of the S. Ossetian government.

Kurds in Syria and Iraq, Albanians in Kosovo, etc. US behaves in exactly the same way as Russia.

Russia is free to waste as much money as they want.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Explain the logic. Being able to read Russian makes no difference, anymore that being able to read English makes any difference in understanding MY nation.

A lot of information about Russia is exclusively in Russian.

I'd just be hearing hearsay anyhow.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Really? Name the 7 wars.

Ukraine, Georgia twice, Moldova, CAR, Syria (they did not start but they participate), Libya (did not start but participate), Chechnya twice. Probably something else that I have forgotten.

A short incursion is not the same thing as years upon years of wars, and trillions of dollars spent.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

No, a strong nationalistic Poland disadvantages the EU which in turn disadvantages the United States. A strong nationalistic anything in the EU is a disadvantage to the EU. They intend to become a singular political bloc. We all know that.

No we don't know that. Poland is extremely pro-American, and is widely hated in Europe for that. Strong Poland is a disadvantage to EU and an advantage to US as in they buy a lot of US weapons. Strong Poland is a disadvantage to Russia as in they will help Ukraine.

"Pro-American" can mean many things. I'm pro-American, which is why I'm anti Federal government, because my government is anti-American. I don't confuse this shit government with this nation. I don't think the Poles do either.

Europe's governments are strongly pro American federal government, and anti-American.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

I'm pretty quick in spotting logical fallacies at this point.

Did you spot logical fallacies in your own reasoning, for example in all US invasions bad, all Russian invasions good?

OK, the US has bombed Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Somalia in the last 20 years.

Name all the ways this has helped this country - NOT OUR CRIMINALS IN POWER (I know the Sackler family did well in Afghanistan, Halliburton did well in Iraq, a bunch of other criminals were HOPING to do well in Syria, etc) - how have 20 years of wars improved this nation?

I don't care of Russia destroys itself. Wars are neither "good" nor "bad" - they are beneficial or detrimental. I don't see in any way how any of the last 20 years of wars the US has engaged in have been beneficial to this nation in any way, and several ways they have been detrimental.

Bd6r says

There is a snippet of local Donbass separatist news where an hr after downing the airplane they boasted about shooting down Kiev regime transport plane. One of Donbas separatist leaders (Girkin) admitted to shooting down the plane.

But of course all of this information is in Russian, and knowledge of Russian is not necessary for some to come to conclusions about anything happening in former USSR...

Find the clip or it doesn't matter.

If it's worthwhile, I'll find somebody that can translate it.

If the clip can't be found, then it may as well not exist.

I used to collect lies of our "news" media, but it's pointless at this point because 1) I have so much 2) everything is a lie.

richwicks says

No, the invasions didn't do anything for the United States. It has only hurt the United States. My definition of the "United States" doesn't mean "the government of the United States", it's the people of the United States.

Russians invading neighboring countries also did not do much positive things for Russia. These changed relatively pro-Russian Ukrainians into anti-Russian ones. Basically, Russians made enemies all around their country...
richwicks says

Russia is free to waste as much money as they want.

That is absolutely true. But we should not say that this Russian waste of money is different from US waste of money...other than not being our business
richwicks says

I'd just be hearing hearsay anyhow.

You would be able to, for example, listen to what Doneck separatist leaders say etc. Much more information available, including about the Malaysian airlines that you make statements above.
richwicks says

A short incursion is not the same thing as years upon years of wars, and trillions of dollars spent.

Russian troops are in Moldova since 1992, for example. I believe this does not qualify as a "short intrusion"
richwicks says

Name all the ways this has helped this country

I have never claimed that any of these wars have benefitted USA.
richwicks says

I don't care of Russia destroys itself. Wars are neither "good" nor "bad" - they are beneficial or detrimental. I don't see in any way how any of the last 20 years of wars the US has engaged in have been beneficial to this nation in any way, and several ways they have been detrimental.

Agreed, but then I don't understand your whitewashing of Russian aggressions. They are not much if any of US business, but one should not say that US attacking someone is wrong while at the same time excusing nearly identical Russian attacks. That does not make any logical sense.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

No, the invasions didn't do anything for the United States. It has only hurt the United States. My definition of the "United States" doesn't mean "the government of the United States", it's the people of the United States.

Russians invading neighboring countries also did not do much positive things for Russia.

Well, I don't live in Russia. It's not my problem. That's the Russians problem.

I no longer look at this from a moral point of view. I object to raping a nation, I'm against that, however raping and nation and getting nothing out of that, that's worse.

Bd6r says

These changed relatively pro-Russian Ukrainians into anti-Russian ones. Basically, Russians made enemies all around their country...

Yeah, they would deserve that. That's what US invasions have done - made enemies. Don't believe me? Take a vacation in Syria, Iraq, or Libya - and make certain everybody knows you're an American...

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Russia is free to waste as much money as they want.

That is absolutely true. But we should not say that this Russian waste of money is different from US waste of money...other than not being our business

It IS different, Russia wasting money doesn't harm my nation. It harms their nation.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

I'd just be hearing hearsay anyhow.

You would be able to, for example, listen to what Doneck separatist leaders say etc. Much more information available, including about the Malaysian airlines that you make statements above.

Everybody has an agenda. I'd have to look into their past statements to ascertain their credibility. I've done that with US generals that show up on the propaganda. They are complete liars, they have no credibility.

It would be considerable work to learn the language just to find out their viewpoint.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

A short incursion is not the same thing as years upon years of wars, and trillions of dollars spent.

Russian troops are in Moldova since 1992, for example. I believe this does not qualify as a "short intrusion"

This is Maldova today:

https://goo.gl/maps/E3K51zbajZdQvvZ3A?source=patrick.net

This is Syria today:

https://goo.gl/maps/rxDxHxbkjeVnpoN26?source=patrick.net

Look around. Doesn't seem Russia is fucking up Maldova. I might have to look around more.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Name all the ways this has helped this country

I have never claimed that any of these wars have benefitted USA.

But that's why I oppose them.

I oppose war with Russia not because this will harm Russia, but because it will harm the United States. The psychopaths that run this country don't CARE if they harm the United States.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

I don't care of Russia destroys itself. Wars are neither "good" nor "bad" - they are beneficial or detrimental. I don't see in any way how any of the last 20 years of wars the US has engaged in have been beneficial to this nation in any way, and several ways they have been detrimental.

Agreed, but then I don't understand your whitewashing of Russian aggressions.

Because nuclear war with Russia isn't only bad for Russia, it's also bad for the United States. Our government's bitching and moaning about "Russian aggression" is nothing more than an excuse for the US to engage in aggression against Russia.

At one point, LONG LONG AGO, the US had "diplomacy" and wasn't constantly trying to piss off every fucking nation on the planet. I'd like to return to that. If Russia is doing BAD THINGS, fine, talk about the actual bad things they are doing - but my criminal government just makes shit up all the fucking time. Russia isn't a boogeyman. It seems to me our criminal establishment is afraid of Russia's rising power and expanding freedom and want to put an end to that.

Bd6r says

They are not much if any of US business, but one should not say that US attacking someone is wrong while at the same time excusing nearly identical Russian attacks. That does not make any logical sense.

The US government doesn't CARE about "Russian aggression" nor do they care about "freedom" or "civil rights". The conflict with Russia is over energy, and they seemingly are willing to go to WWIII over that. I'm not. This would be bad for everybody in the world, including people in the United States.

If the US was ADVANTAGED by these dumb fucking conflicts they engage in, I could at least see reasoning it it, but all the wars the US engages in isn't just looting a foreign nation of its resources, but looting the US of its resources. The wars against Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Somalia aren't just wars against them, they are wars against US as well.

It's a complete misallocation of resources and these wars harm 99.9% of the country. That's the principle reason I oppose these stupid, fucking wars.

1 year ago, the US was energy independent so what excuse does the US have to be at war?

It doesn't matter anyhow, the US' fate is sealed. We're going to go the way of the USSR. We can't change it through protests, voting, anything - the federal government has to be dissolved, and that's going to cause a lot of chaos when it happens. This is bad for the nation, but it will be worse if we allow these fucking psychopaths to continue to run it, because that's bad for the nation too. The longer it goes on, the worse it will be when we revert to the mean.

richwicks says

We're going to go the way of the USSR

USSR. An Atheist's paradise.

B.A.C.A.H. says

richwicks says

We're going to go the way of the USSR

USSR. An Atheist's paradise.

Nope.

I was a hard atheist, and once would argue with you about your false faith - and even then I recognized the USSR was no paradise. They had a religion - worship of the state.

I have a bunch of clocks from the USSR - most of them have Stalin or Lenin on the clockface.

Favorable View of US Rankings:
https://stacker.com/stories/132/countries-most-and-least-favorable-views-us?source=patrick.net
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018/10/01/trumps-international-ratings-remain-low-especially-among-key-allies/?source=patrick.net#interactive

The Gooks, The Hussars, the Mail Order Asian Brides, and DA JOOS are in the lead. Krauts, Conquistadors, Le Baguettes, and the Canuckistanis don't like the US much.

I would say that the standard array of Globalist foreign leaders would only show approval for a weak President or as we have now a President who is actively destroying and selling out the country. If Trump has a low approval rating amongst this bunch, that counts highly in his favor.

richwicks says

your false faith

Ahem,

yes I know, you are so smart that you know what's inside the mind of others. I did not profess any faith on this website nor elsewhere.

Just because I am open minded and agnostic does not mean more than that, even though you seem to think so. Did it ever occur to you to have humility enough to know, that you don't know?

"Biden Made a 180 Degree Reversal With Ukraine - Something Else Is At Play Here"
Illuminati in Switzerland/Geneva on the run? Klaus Barbie Schwab in Antarctica with other Globalist Criminals? What the fuck is in Antarctica that it a favorite destination of Globalists and Skull and Bones puppets?
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=188817&source=patrick.net
"When you add that fact to Biden’s most recent comments saying that the US was not going to send troops to Ukraine, and it was not on the table. And, that full membership for Ukraine into NATO was still not possible for a decade of so. Those three things completely changed the war footing in Ukraine and the possibility of going to war with Russia.

Unfortunately, with a senile Biden, that could change overnight. But it appears if Russia doesn’t invade Ukraine and simply stands down from the conflict, it is highly likely this situation could be genuinely defused. Judging from the former war talk and European rhetoric that was being spread for months - for that build up to a confrontation - it would appear that all of the players involved in this massive, orchestrated operation may find themselves highly disappointed that it didn’t end up in a real war."

Ceffer says

"Biden Made a 180 Degree Reversal With Ukraine - Something Else Is At Play Here"

Simple Cold War politics are extinct, they don't matter.
Number two, the Biden regime does not want to expose just how weak and feckless Miley and Loyd Austin has neutered our Armed forces with their Woke nonsense.

I'm more scared of the unknown reason they have done so, than I am from any military threat out there.

Tenpoundbass says

I'm more scared of the unknown reason they have done so, than I am from any military threat out there.

Ahhh, Gen Rall Mirrey, you do vely fine work. Much job consultant for Boeing, you come China help after Retirement. Half a million for a few years, no show job, you work from home. So very good.

AmericanKulak says

Ahhh, Gen Rall Mirrey, you do vely fine work. Much job consultant for Boeing, you come China help after Retirement. Half a million for a few years, no show job, you work from home. So very good.

LOL!

Russia taking Ukraine and halting the wilful criminal state of money laundering, drug sales, trafficking etc. established by Soros/Biden/Obama color revolution wouldn't be the worst thing, except one bite taken would just whet their appetite for everything from the Black/Caspian Seas back to the Baltic States.

Strange, if you draw a semicircle from Moscow to Ukraine, Belarus, Baltic States etc., their borders are all from about 250 miles to 350 miles from Moscow. That's about the distance from San Francisco to Pismo Beach/ Santa Barbara, so no wonder in addition to ports in Black Sea/Crimea they want that buffer zone.

Strange, Russia owns a small area on the Baltic Sea between Lithuania and Poland called Kalliningrad Oblast granted after WWII. They have tried to sell it back to adjoining countries, but nobody wants it, so they park a bunch of military equipment and bases there.

Ceffer says

Strange, Russia owns a small area on the Baltic Sea between Lithuania and Poland called Kalliningrad Oblast granted after WWII. They have tried to sell it back to adjoining countries, but nobody wants it, so they park a bunch of military equipment and bases there.

That's the homeland of my great-grandfather going back many generations.

F*ckin' Nazis ruined it by creating a situation that the Soviet Union expelled the Germans. We cannot blame the Russians for doing that, but now there's no residual German cultural sites for folks like me to visit. :(

F*ckin' Nazis.

My maternal grandmother was from the area around Poznan.

B.A.C.A.H. says

richwicks says

your false faith

Ahem,

yes I know, you are so smart that you know what's inside the mind of others. I did not profess any faith on this website nor elsewhere.

I intended to point out that I'm far, FAR less astringent on my convictions than I once was. My atheism was absolute at one point. I now consider this a severe character fault. There was a point where if a person mentioned their belief in religion X, I would dismiss anything else they would say, and attack their religious belief. My naive, and childish assumption, was that if they were wrong about one thing, they were wrong about everything because my entire thinking system is built all atop a pillar, and if you can knock down one (major) pillar of mine, you'll mostly collapse my reasoning process and make me start over.

My reasoning is built either on top of a foundation of stone or sand. So far, I've found stone - but it's all tightly interlinked. If you successfully show me to be wrong in a foundational belief, you'll see me disappear for days, maybe weeks or even months, as I rebuild. I cannot deny when I'm wrong when I'm proven to be, but proof - that's a difficult thing to demonstrate, even when I am wrong.

I've found that many religious people have good reasoning although I believe their basic assumptions about existence are incorrect. I no longer place my atheism as a foundation. Religious people and atheist people often and quite frequently come to the same conclusion and their viewpoint of existence is irrelevant in their reasoning process although it was a foundation for me for a long time.

B.A.C.A.H. says

That's the homeland of my great-grandfather going back many generations.

F*ckin' Nazis ruined it by creating a situation that the Soviet Union expelled the Germans. We cannot blame the Russians for doing that, but now there's no residual German cultural sites for folks like me to visit. :(

F*ckin' Nazis.

@B.A.C.A.H.
depends where exactly he was from. A small piece of former Prussia is now in Lithuania and it is perfectly safe and enjoyable to visit (when/if covid crap ends). This is Klaipeda/Memel district. Has a rather pretty seashore, Curonian Strip.

Ceffer says

They have tried to sell it back to adjoining countries

I don't think it's true. Russia never cedes any territory unless forced to.

Maybe they were just asking too much for it. Adjacent countries know Russia could just steam roller them, anyway, why buy something from them.

Ceffer says

Maybe they were just asking too much for it. Adjacent countries know Russia could just steam roller them, anyway, why buy something from them.

I never heard about them even asking anything for it. When did it allegedly happen? After WWII? After collapse of Eastern Block?