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joshuatrio says

Interviewed last week and got an offer today and there was ZERO talk about a vaxx, and ZERO in the paperwork requiring it.

We will see how things progress but I'm calling their bluff with only a handful of actual contractors enforcing it, which most will later rescind when they can't fill slots due to their own requirement.

I suspect the Vax is only being enforced in industries and markets with a white strong male demographic.

I'm not saying you must not be white, I'm saying the whites in your market probably kiss the BLM feet at Riots, so they aren't under systemic racist assault.

Funny in the last few months, I have not seen any black or Hispanic people moaning about losing their job due to refusing the jab.

joshuatrio says

Update: the sub contractor trying who offered me the job just called and said the prime on the contract needs my vax status.

I told them it was a HIPAA question and they had no right to ask.

Dude was based though and was like "totally understand, we have to ask if we want to participate on this contract (them as a company)" - so their hands were tied.

So I told him I had a religious exemption and can send it over if needed.

His reply: "no one really knows what's going on honestly, and whether or not you got the shot shouldn't affect you getting this position." He also said if they make it a requirement, you'll see 1/3-1/2 the staff drop off."

Basically, if they try to force require it, they are screwed and so are hundreds of other DoD contracts.

We'll see how the prime contractor responds to my religious exemption.

Hold the line.

DeBlasio is mandating it for all city workers, many are Black so we will see what happens. Over 70,000 healthcare workers in NY were fired and many healthcare workers are Black/Latino. Frontline workers are being fired left and right. I think it's more that the media refuses to show any workers reacting so that the Left doesn't have to be called out for racism.

Funny in the last few months, I have not seen any black or Hispanic people moaning about losing their job due to refusing the jab.

WineHorror1 says

joshuatrio says

Update: the sub contractor trying who offered me the job just called and said the prime on the contract needs my vax status.

I told them it was a HIPAA question and they had no right to ask.

Dude was based though and was like "totally understand, we have to ask if we want to participate on this contract (them as a company)" - so their hands were tied.

So I told him I had a religious exemption and can send it over if needed.

His reply: "no one really knows what's going on honestly, and whether or not you got the shot shouldn't affect you getting this position." He also said if they make it a requirement, you'll see 1/3-1/2 the staff drop off."

Basically, if they try to force require it, they are screwed and so are hundreds of other DoD contracts.

We'll see how the prime contractor responds to my religious exemption.

Hold the line.

Dude. No line to hold.

I won't take the fucking jab. I don't want/need the job.

It's just an exercise to see if they even enforce the shit.

Every time I get a recruiter email now, I ask whether the jab is required.

I don't want or need a job at the moment, I just want to send a message.

Spoke with the recruiter again this morning. Looks like we're moving forward.

Recruiter was based, said "don't even worry about the religious exemption - no one knows what exactly is going on right now, and if they push it, companies are going to lose about half of the federal contracting workforce." He also mentioned there were a ton of lawsuits and it was a royal cluster.

He thinks if they try to push it, they'll walk it back pretty quickly at this point based on what's been going on.

Clearance paperwork gets sent out next week. Offer letter and other shit was already signed.

Tenpoundbass says

Funny in the last few months, I have not seen any black or Hispanic people moaning about losing their job due to refusing the jab.

From the anecdotes I’ve personally heard, that’s because they’re cheating. Getting relatives inside healthcare providers to get them vax cards, etc. they’re treating it like they’d treat any stupid order issued in whatever BFE country they come from. Compliance on the face of it, but in reality there’s no compliance, they’re just cheating.

I’ve had two different people offer me a hookup for just such a vaccine card.

It's all smoke and mirrors. Although shit seems kind of heavy in LA County, they are pressuring businesses by screaming "heavy fines if you don't comply"

Similar situation here. Company wanted us to rush to turn in an exemption, which was a piece of shit form. Basically asking a whole bunch of "caught ya!" questions. We all clanned up and told them we need more time. 2 wks later got another email saying if you haven't turned it in yet ( a few people did) , then just wait. As in they have no idea what they're doing. Lib city, based state.

noobster says

Lib city, based state.

What does "based" mean in this context?

@HeadSet The way I understand "based" is "based in reality".

The opposite of woke.

Patrick says

@HeadSet The way I understand "based" is "based in reality".

The opposite of woke.

Essentially, yes.

HeadSet says

noobster says

Lib city, based state.

What does "based" mean in this context?

As in wrestling ... strong foundation, strong base ...
And also from the Biblical meaning of a strong foundation
I.e.
Not weak to pressures of woke

Fyi (info that's worth what you paid for it).

I'm hearing from some contacts I have in the "group benefits/ insurance" business that health insurance companies are starting to offer HR departments the means (software based I'm assuming) to 'background check' for the veracity of vax cards.

I work for a medical device manufacturer and my job requires visiting with staff inside of hospitals - for which I have to be credentialed. My employer is graciously saying "no" to any vaccine mandate but they just made it a condition of employment that employees requiring credentialing maintain that credentialing. Guess what - all the major hospitals in my area require the COVID vaccine as part of that process. So my employer will effectively terminate me in a few weeks or months when it becomes apparent to them that I will not jab but they still get to say it's not because of the vaccine. Clever lawyers they have.

It burns my ass to watch the fixed site employees, some of whom have yet to return to the office due to their "feels", dodge this requirement as well knowing full well they are screwing all of us productive people in the field that pay their salaries.

Keep in mind that if you either get a vax or get a fake card, your legal ability to be exempt under religious reasons pretty much vanishes. And the religious one is super easy to do. Make a statement of belief, keep it free of any talk about politics or science, and make it clear that your beliefs preclude you from complying. They have to accept it. If they don’t, you have a clear cut case under Title 7 of the EEOC.

stfu says

I'm hearing from some contacts I have in the "group benefits/ insurance" business that health insurance companies are starting to offer HR departments the means (software based I'm assuming) to 'background check' for the veracity of vax cards.

How? There is no central database even in CA, let alone federal.

There is for California and some other states, you put in the email or phone no. you gave them and you can download a QR code that shows your name, dates, and vax brand.
myvaccinerecord dot cdph dot ca dot gov/

You need email or phone to get the record, and if someone else made the appointment and used their contact info, you wouldn’t be able to see your record. So, maybe someone with your same name would be in the database but hey you have no idea what contact info was used since your Fiverr remote assistant made the appt. then vanished. They cannot TRULY verify, as no solidly identifying info was recorded to get the shot, and human error could play a role. They did not seem ready to instigate the digital passport, if that was the goal. No one can guarantee that Bud’s Pop-up Drivethrough or whatever got your name in there correctly, espec. if you did it without sending your name ahead of time. And fixing that could be hard or impossible.

The paper cards don’t show which state you got jabbed in. Some show the CVS/other chain store number.

Even if a state has no database the jabbee can access, the state may have something like that or will.

Now, perhaps FL, TX, MT, could (or did?) make those databases inaccessible to the Stasi if they wanted? If The People lobbied for it? Health info should be private.

One of the cards the CDC posted as a dummy and was being shared a lot has a bit of formatting slightly different from the later ones that were used. So that could be a smoking gun in terms of verifying,

Many other countries seem to be all QR code-based but I don’t know about all of them.

Blackberry is working on digital passport stuff.

Someone here needs to create and market a card-verifying app!

Thanks @Booger

I posted that to employeemandates@unite.standupcalifornia.com

I think they will enjoy it.

Nothing new. Filled out some clearance paperwork. Should be having to jump through more hoops in the next few weeks.

They expect it to take 9-12 weeks to go through.

To be continued.

HumanDartboard says

Many other countries seem to be all QR code-based but I don’t know about all of them.

Zee Germans were putting coof vaxx info into these yellow UN vaccination books.

My employer (fed contractor) has also given me the ultimatum.

I'm considering applying for a religious exemption. Any tips? Or, any resources I should read that may help me?

Part of me wants to skip the exemption, as I fear if there's ever a future lawsuit that I may participate in, they may investigate my religious exemption claim in an effort to discredit me. But, I feel like that's unlikely, and the exemption's benefits will likely outweigh it's cons.

I don't mind if they fire me. I don't need the job, and wouldn't mind some time off work. But I suppose I would rather keep working remote for now, if I can.

Whatever you do, don't quit.

If they fire you, their unemployment insurance goes up and you can sue later for millions.

I think a religious exemption is a bit dishonest if you don't really believe it. The right exemption is one based on human rights.

Hircus says

My employer (fed contractor) has also given me the ultimatum.

I'm considering applying for a religious exemption. Any tips? Or, any resources I should read that may help me?

Part of me wants to skip the exemption, as I fear if there's ever a future lawsuit that I may participate in, they may investigate my religious exemption claim in an effort to discredit me. But, I feel like that's unlikely, and the exemption's benefits will likely outweigh it's cons.

I don't mind if they fire me. I don't need the job, and wouldn't mind some time off work. But I suppose I would rather keep working remote for now, if I can.

Look up title 7, I bet it applies in your case, too.

For instance
https://www.cbp.gov/faqs/what-religion-under-title-vii

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects all aspects of religious observance and practice as well as belief and defines religion very broadly for purposes of determining what the law covers. For purposes of Title VII, religion includes not only traditional, organized religions, such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, but also religious beliefs that are new, uncommon, not part of a formal church or sect, only subscribed to by a small number of people, or that seem illogical or unreasonable to others. An employee’s belief or practice can be “religious” under Title VII even if the employee is affiliated with a religious group that does not espouse or recognize that individual’s belief or practice, or if few – or no – other people adhere to it. Title VII’s protections also extend to those who are discriminated against or need accommodation because they profess no religious beliefs.

Religious beliefs include theistic beliefs (i.e. those that include a belief in God) as well as non-theistic “moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views.” Although courts generally resolve doubts about particular beliefs in favor of finding that they are religious, beliefs are not protected merely because they are strongly held. Rather, religion typically concerns “ultimate ideas” about “life, purpose, and death.” Social, political, or economic philosophies, as well as mere personal preferences, are not “religious” beliefs protected by Title VII.

Religious observances or practices include, for example, attending worship services, praying, wearing religious garb or symbols, displaying religious objects, adhering to certain dietary rules, proselytizing or other forms of religious expression, or refraining from certain activities. Whether a practice is religious depends on the employee’s motivation. The same practice might be engaged in by one person for religious reasons and by another person for purely secular reasons (e.g., dietary restrictions, tattoos, etc.).

Where I work the employees (not contractors) they are turning the proverbial screws on first with no stated deadline for contractors. It's because they don't even have a plan yet. Presumably it will happen at some point, but exactly when no idea. I figure that it's probably good for at least a couple of months.

Yeah, they are going to try the reeducation bullshit, which is just another delaying tactic. It is tempting to take it that far so I can dispute their bullshit.

I'm looking forward to my potential reeducation sessions!!! I may or may not wear a camera. I have so many questions! Will come prepared with a plethora of govt data and documents.
#1 CDC says vaccines don't slow the spread
#2 Pfizer is still EUA
#3 vaxxes are registered as gene therapy products

zzyzzx says

Where I work the employees (not contractors) they are turning the proverbial screws on first with no stated deadline for contractors. It's because they don't even have a plan yet. Presumably it will happen at some point, but exactly when no idea. I figure that it's probably good for at least a couple of months.

Yeah, they are going to try the reeducation bullshit, which is just another delaying tactic. It is tempting to take it that far so I can dispute their bullshit.

I'm looking forward to my potential reeducation sessions!!! I may or may not wear a camera. I have so many questions! Will come prepared with a plethora of govt data and documents.
#1 CDC says vaccines don't slow the spread
#2 Pfizer is still EUA
#3 vaxxes are registered as gene therapy products

There is no plan, except to get everyone vaxxed.

But if people resist, they're gonna have to bail.

zzyzzx says

I'm looking forward to my potential reeducation sessions!!!

Let me know, I can help you with some data if necessary.

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/congress-didnt-give-osha-authority-impose-vaccine-mandates

Congress Didn’t Give OSHA Authority to Impose Vaccine MandatesOct 27th, 2021 8 min read
Commentary By


Doug Badger
Senior Fellow, Domestic Policy Studies

Paul J. Larkin Jr.
Rumpel Senior Legal Research Fellow

KEY TAKEAWAYS
OSHA lacks the legal authority to impose a vaccine mandate.

Vaccines against viruses are an entirely different form of protection and are beyond the scope of OSHA’s mandate.

Lawmakers needn’t prohibit OSHA from imposing a mandate that they never authorized the agency to issue in the first place.

Mandate is not possible. But since the knife is hanging all employers are forcing to inject dangerous liquid against people will. Fake mandate is a real crime committed against humanity.

Biden admin barred from firing unvaccinated employees after DC judge issues injunction
The attorney for the plaintiffs said the Biden administration has shown 'an unprecedented, cavalier attitude toward the rule of law'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-vaccine-employees-judge-injunction

zzyzzx says

Biden admin barred from firing unvaccinated employees after DC judge issues injunction
The attorney for the plaintiffs said the Biden administration has shown 'an unprecedented, cavalier attitude toward the rule of law'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-vaccine-employees-judge-injunction

That is for religious exemptions only. You must provide an unsubstantiated and unscientific belief to avoid an unsubstantiated and unscientific jab mandate.

HeadSet says

zzyzzx says

Biden admin barred from firing unvaccinated employees after DC judge issues injunction
The attorney for the plaintiffs said the Biden administration has shown 'an unprecedented, cavalier attitude toward the rule of law'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-vaccine-employees-judge-injunction

That is for religious exemptions only. You must provide an unsubstantiated and unscientific belief to avoid an unsubstantiated and unscientific jab mandate.

Is there an app for that?

So, there's been THE DECREE from my unnamed company that I must get a vaccination if I intend to continue to work there, so I have about a month to wrap things up.

I asked them about what Executive Order has been issued and got this:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/executive-order-on-ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors/

My question was - is this actually an executive order, or is it just a press release? I think it's an actual EO:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/09/14/2021-19924/ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors

E.O. 14042 of Sep 9, 2021

I'm super busy, so I've not gone through it, but I did a search and "vaci" as in "vaccination" is not in the document but like any fucking legal bullshit by our criminal syndicate, it makes several references to other documents - which I will go through a week from now.

@richwicks Where do they get the legal authority to demand the injection of an experimental drug?

There clearly is no mandate from OSHA yet, nor could OSHA have that authority, because the drug is experimental.

It has to be the basis for a big wrongful termination suit if they fire you.

The EO basically says that if your company is a Fed contractor it must comply with orders of "Safer Federal Workforce Task Force", whatever the fuck it is.

Or they will cut off funding. OK, that's the government threat there.

But does an employer or university have the right to demand that you inject any experimental drug that they please?

Seems like some law is definitely being violated. How can experimental injections be a condition of employment or studying?

For COVID-19 vaccines, an additional wrinkle is the fact that the vaccines are (thus far) not fully approved but instead authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). While some vaccines may shortly transition to full approval, they may not be the ones available for students in a particular state. While some may agree with our analysis as to approved vaccines, does the same hold true for those provided under EUAs?

The Act enabling the granting of EUAs requires notifying recipients “of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.” This provision, though, does not appear to limit what conditions can be imposed on those who refuse a vaccine under an EUA. While the federal government has not yet addressed educational institutions, in its guidance to employers, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has suggested it is possible for employers to mandate vaccination even if the vaccine is only under an EUA; moreover, many of the COVID-19 tests that colleges and universities have mandated in recent months have themselves been authorized under an EUA and not a full approval. For these reasons, we believe that our analysis — suggesting wide latitude for colleges and universities to mandate COVID-19 vaccination — applies whether the vaccine is approved or merely under an EUA.

https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2021/03/16/can-colleges-universities-require-student-covid-vaccination/

Patrick says

Seems like some law is definitely being violated. How can experimental injections be a condition of employment or studying?

How can city workers be fired for not taking jabs? I'm pretty damn sure "Taking experimental medical treatments on demand of the Mayor" ain't in the Contract.

Are sewer workers and trashmen dealing with direct health care or with multitudes of the public?

Patrick says

@richwicks Where do they get the legal authority to demand the injection of an experimental drug?

You know better. There's no rule of law.

I'm a contractor - as far as I'm concerned they can get rid of me because they don't like the cut of my jib.

I don't want to work for a company that doesn't want me any more than I want to work for a company that I don't want. If a company decides they don't want to hire white people, or blacks, or asians - that's fucking fine with me. The company is just slicing their own throat.

I worked for a company that would hire contractors from ANY race, but would only hire employees from Taiwan. Imagine this scenario - you have a bunch of balls, they are all labelled with numbers from 1-9, and they are colored red, white and blue. You are in a game with another person where you can observe and see all the balls and their numbers - the game is that you can only pick from white balls but they can pick from any color - and whomever gets the largest sum of numbers wins. They can chose any color, but you're restricted to only white.

Who is going to win?

I'm perfectly fine with discrimination which can only be based on stupidity. It's regretful that (some) people are so fucking stupid here to implement it, this was once a true meritocracy, but it fixes itself. It hurts people along the way as well, I realize that, but a company that implements discriminatory practices is placing themselves at a disadvantage.

I keep saying, Google is fucking dead. Facebook is ALREADY dead - that's why they are renaming themselves. They have more money than God does, but that's not going to prevent them from becoming irrelevant. Companies that incorporate discrimination and even worse EXPORT it, kill themselves. Do you want to work for a company that does that? I don't, I'm a better person than that, and although I could enjoy stock options and other shit, I don't want that stain on my soul, despite being largely an atheist.

There was a mission we started out with. The Internet was designed to bypass propaganda and authorities. There are no authorities, there's truth and there are lies, that's it. Nobody has a monopoly on either. The purpose of free communication isn't just to allow people to figure out what the fuck is going on, but to enable us to figure out what the fuck going on because we sure as shit didn't know when we started out and honestly I'm still figuring it out. We're just seeing the fruition of this recently. It took 20 years longer than I expected, but it damned well seems to be happening.

I'm an old fuck, but I still believe in the mission. I am beginning to believe enlightenment is a real thing.

Shit. I'm becoming William S. Burroughs. I'm completely committed to the mission still though. Part of that is demonstrating we have illegitimate authority. My company can do what it wants, but I will never bow down and recognize it's legitimate - at least until I'm desperate for work. I've been very careful in my life to maintain my ability for independence.