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You should make them realize, there is a very good legal reason, the City, County, State, Federal officials are steering clear of the Vax mandate and the Vax passport.
They want to shift all of the civil, and criminals liability on the Business owners. That will be sued, by the Customers as well as the fired employees.
It's not a question of IF, but WHEN, that day comes.

Tell them don't be used by the Democrats to take the fall for their follies, they don't even have the balls to do it, because they know there's no constitutional protection for them doing so, it's the exact opposite.

Not sure if everyone read the OP, but my job is not trying to force me to take a shot, just to disclose my personal health information. I was hired as a permanent remote employee.

You are under no obligation to expose that information, afaik.

NuttBoxer says

Not sure if everyone read the OP, but my job is not trying to force me to take a shot, just to disclose my personal health information. I was hired as a permanent remote employee.

I'd refuse to disclose private health information. "I feel uncomfortable and not SAFE disclosing this, and after this question I need SAFE SPACE to recuperate from hostile and toxic work environment this question has created". Answer in their HR language.

I still don't understand how they are going to "prove" if you got the vaccination or not?
I know CA is trying to setup a database, but I am sure it will be a mess (HI already tried and failed).

So, we are heading down the way of other totalitarian regimes where the people do/say what is needed to survive.
And truth/honesty is sacrificed.

If this is simply "self certifying" that you took it, then just say you did. Protecting your job is more important.
Or decline to state and request remote full time option.

krc says

I still don't understand how they are going to "prove" if you got the vaccination or not?

They will demand the CDC card, which will be illegal to fake.

Here's my suggestion, use telemedicine and find a stateside MD, who'll say that you have some autoimmune condition and fear that you may go into anaphylactic shock if you get the vaccine.

Since most companies are under OSHA, chances are, you'll get "Green Lighted" to continue work. No firm wants to go on record of having seen the medical warning and then, face a multi-million dollar lawsuit from the family.

Bd6r says

If this is simply "self certifying" that you took it, then just say you did.

Deliberately lying to your employer about yourself is usually grounds for termination. We’ve had to fire several new hires when it became clear that they lied on their resume. I am not sure if this is or could be construed to be the same thing.

In your position, I would decline to state.

NuttBoxer says

Not sure if everyone read the OP, but my job is not trying to force me to take a shot, just to disclose my personal health information. I was hired as a permanent remote employee.

My job is not asking me about the vaxx (yet?) but I was thinking about the situation you found yourself in. At this moment I'm leaning towards simply replying "not vaxxed" w/o offering any explanations. If they ask for details I'd refuse to give any, just like if asked what kind of illnes kept me at home when I took that sick day. If they fire me later I'd definitely sue.

Patrick says

krc says

I still don't understand how they are going to "prove" if you got the vaccination or not?

They will demand the CDC card, which will be illegal to fake.

Proving that it's indeed fake would be a pretty steep hurdle, though.

Man, I really don't get what the fuck it is they want from us.

I spent my whole life consuming all sorts of fiction media that glorified being independent, rebellious, and most of all, freedom loving. Now they're all just like "obey, lol" and we're just supposed to go with it? Seriously? Did I just consume media by "the bad men?"

I'm so sorry they're invading your privacy like that.

They need some numbers to report back to the feds to ensure they have adequate "facilities" built to handle non-compliance.

https://www.vic.gov.au/victorian-quarantine-hub

Shaman says

Deliberately lying to your employer about yourself is usually grounds for termination. We’ve had to fire several new hires when it became clear that they lied on their resume. I am not sure if this is or could be construed to be the same thing.

In your position, I would decline to state.

Weren’t they giving out excess shots at pharmacies to random people they pulled off the street early on? Just say you had your shot that method and lost your card….

70% of the adult population has had 1 dose though. If it really ends up being bad for you… society will be decimated. Real estate prices will crash though … bringing this site full circle back to its origins.

I'd go with 3), you can always got to 2) from there. But unless you're essential for in-person meetings you can just work remotely. If for some reason they find a way around the privacy issue, then you can move on to 2). Since you claim to have been in top health all your life you may have to state religious or personal aversion, but anyone with medical records less than 20 years ago showing severe inflammation, a post-viral issue (similar to what is now called long-covid which is just a rebranding of PVF for fear porn purposes) or any other medical abnormalities should be able to get an exemption from an MD.

mell says

If for some reason they find a way around the privacy issue, then you can move on to 2). Since you claim to have been in top health all your life you may have to state religious or personal aversion, but anyone with medical records less than 20 years ago showing severe inflammation, a post-viral issue (similar to what is now called long-covid which is just a rebranding of PVF for fear porn purposes) or any other medical abnormalities should be able to get an exemption from an MD.

How about "mental issues", like "fear of needles", for example? They can't disprove you have it and there is no other method to deliver the fucking potion (yet).

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Never forget this is an experimental vaccine and unless you're quite elderly, you are very unlikely to die from the actual disease itself. I regard this entire pandemic stuff, as a complete scam. I will NEVER take this vaccination.

Eric Holder says

mell says

If for some reason they find a way around the privacy issue, then you can move on to 2). Since you claim to have been in top health all your life you may have to state religious or personal aversion, but anyone with medical records less than 20 years ago showing severe inflammation, a post-viral issue (similar to what is now called long-covid which is just a rebranding of PVF for fear porn purposes) or any other medical abnormalities should be able to get an exemption from an MD.

How about "mental issues", like "fear of needles", for example? They can't disprove you have it and there is no other method to deliver the fucking potion (yet).

That may work if there are no other health abnormalities in the past and you find a compassionate MD. But afaik at least half of humans have had a more recent episode in their lives or some sort of condition that required caution for some time, and that should work even better. If you ever fainted from a shot, have had any abnormal reaction from it or from a viral illness (which is pretty much what the shot induces hence similar symptoms) you should find a way to become exempt. Draw up a paper with the company assuming all liabilities should they go through with it and disregarding the exemption. Use a lawyer, in this case money well spent. That should do the trick. Or only work 100% remotely from here on, there are no upsides going into work even without !covid!.

Most tech co. are requiring to fill covid form every day when entering building. Once a while vaccine status. Things are like this around, I hear most got vaccinated. Not much freedom left.

Blue says

Most tech co. are requiring to fill covid form every day when entering building. Once a while vaccine status. Things are like this around, I hear most got vaccinated. Not much freedom left.

At my job, when I go in, I'm required to have a temperature check via a tablet that has an infra-red camera. I can put up with that crap. I can put up with having to have a stupid mask as I walk into the building and to my cubicle but there's absolutely no way, I'm going to take this "vaccine".

I purposely live WELL below my means, so I can't be made into a slave. I think a lot of people are about to find out they are slaves and I'm sorry, but I have little sympathy at this point. People have been warning that the government is growing more and more openly criminal and they were called conspiracy nuts, paranoids, even traitors and anti-American.

Well here's the result - if you allow the government to force an injection into you, IF you allow this, you have NO RIGHTS. You're a farm animal - well not even that, farmers actually care for their animals, if only for a financial interest. The government doesn't give a DAMNED about us.

If people don’t push back, it’ll be new normal.

Fortwaynemobile says

If people don’t push back, it’ll be new normal.

That's exactly right. If you don't push back, you're accepting you are a slave.

I will never submit to this "vaccine" at this point. If it was just marched out, and made available, and my employer requested it or gave me an incentive, I would have considered it - but since there's a full court press on this, that there's censorship to prevent people from openly discussing what they feel are risks and dangers, that our mass media keeps promoting it, and that simple obvious facts like "if the vaccine works, it doesn't matter if your coworker/wife/friends take it, since you're immune - provided it works" is NEVER mentioned and aren't allowed to be discussed - I'm never ever taking this vaccination.

I don't believe it gives immunity, I think they are slightly dangerous, and I'm not afraid of this disease and I don't believe we are in a pandemic.

I won't try to dissuade people from getting this, but I'm pretty solid in my position. If I do pussy out and get it, I will report that I have. I won't be a hypocrite, but I don't see myself getting this vaccine unless I'm pinned to the floor and forced to take it.

NuttBoxer says

3. Decline to disclose private healthy information, or to attend in-person events until perceived risk is mitigated.

And @NuttBoxer

You can refuse to answer it. I was asked this question and required to complete a questionnaire at work. This is the last option I was given for a response. I was informed I would be treated as "unvaccinated" - that's fine. Even if I was vaccinated, that is how I would have completed the questionnaire. I am vigilant about my privacy.

We are not being asked for our informed consent, as the Nuremberg Code requires with the goal of avoiding another holocaust.

We are not being asked for consent at all.

We are being ordered to comply with a violation of our bodies which could well result in death, and threatened with loss of employment or education for refusal.

Fauci and Biden, among many others, especially pharma executives, are criminals against all of humanity at this point. We will never forget this, nor will we ever trust our government or medical establishment again.

The first step in resistance is mass non-compliance with the clot shot. Then we need further forms of mass non-compliance, like the Indians used against the British.

Patrick says

We are not being asked for our informed consent, as the Nuremberg Code requires with the goal of avoiding another holocaust.

Human rights are a nice ideal, but they don't exist.

Might makes right.

There will be a point where the government will be like "good enough" - until then they will increase pressure.

I keep waiting for the point where the millions revolt.

What will it take, if injecting their children with deadly unknowns it not enough?

Patrick says

I keep waiting for the point where the millions revolt.

What will it take, if injecting their children with deadly unknowns it not enough?

Can't happen soon enough.

They are murdering their children and committing suicide by taking the clot shot out of pure TDS.

FuckCCP89 says

My job is not asking me about the vaxx (yet?) but I was thinking about the situation you found yourself in. At this moment I'm leaning towards simply replying "not vaxxed" w/o offering any explanations. If they ask for details I'd refuse to give any, just like if asked what kind of illnes kept me at home when I took that sick day. If they fire me later I'd definitely sue.

I thought about doing that, but I'm very private, and would not feel comfortable sharing my shot status. So I will politely decline to disclose that information.

I regularly get questionare email about my vaccination status at work. So far i kept ignoring it for month and a half. Nobody enforcing it yet.

Silence is often the best answer.

My kids need their vaccine status disclosed to enter the public school system.

Asking for vaccine status isn’t unheard of like some of you are making it sound like.

Anyone asks, shoot them in the face.

Standing your ground isn't illegal yet.

BayArea says

My kids need their vaccine status disclosed to enter the public school system.

Asking for vaccine status isn’t unheard of like some of you are making it sound like.

Not unheard of for sure to ask at school, but this technically is not an approved vaccine in the traditional sense. No long term trials and I've heard not even tested on animals. Unless you're in the medical field, I've never heard of employers asking if you have been vaccinated for even the traditional ones that are fully approved and proven over decades.

The perfect response to any employer or HR would be, "did you ask people if they had AIDS? You haven't asked me that yet." See how fast the HR employee gives you a blank stare or says never thought about that. They cannot ask you about your jab status on this one. They're gonna open pandoras box on this. The "protected gay" AIDS class will throw a massive hissy fit if this starts getting asked for employment, college admission, etc.

Employers know who has HIV/AIDS. I don’t believe for a second that details like this are kept private from your treatment paying employer.

AIDS is also not an airborne virus, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. HR would probably quickly throw that argument out.

Never had an employer ask. Ever. Wife as well for work. Never had them ask for vaccination records. It's not their business.

Most I've been asked is an ID, social security card and then fill out a W-2. Filled out non-compete and whatever form there are for not disclosing information about the business. Medical field is the only place I've heard of employees being asked that stuff for good reason.

I know the difference with airborne and how AIDS is transferred. Who cares? You CANNOT ask about AIDS in anything I can think of beside maybe medical. It's a top 5 no-no in real estate. The point is moot either way, if they're not asking about other illnesses it's discrimination, plain and simple. So they either have to get your full medical records and find out about all ailments or not require vaccination. You choose what you get to put into your body.

This is literally like an employer asking if you ate ribs before to get a job. The coming lawsuits over all this are going to be insane. This is going overboard and will start hitting people with deep pockets.

BayArea says

My kids need their vaccine status disclosed to enter the public school system.

Asking for vaccine status isn’t unheard of like some of you are making it sound like.

Under normal circumstances sure. But under this authoritarian regime, hell no. I don’t trust them.

BayArea says

Asking for vaccine status isn’t unheard of like some of you are making it sound like.

Yep, another precedent that most people probably didn't think about deeply enough at the time. Although you always have the choice not to send your kids to public school.

BayArea says

AIDS is also not an airborne virus, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. HR would probably quickly throw that argument out.

Is covid? Heard that human to human transmission through the air has never been proven. I think the point is it's a contagious disease. Just like herpes, any other flu, common cold, hepatitis, etc. If my employer is going to protect me from covid, they should protect me from these as well.

NuttBoxer says

If my employer is going to protect me from covid, they should protect me from these as well.

Bingo. My point and yours as well.

Also covid is a 2 week disease at worst for 98% of the population. And yes, mostly dead people can die from it. Regardless of the chances of getting AIDS in a work environment, if I do, I live with it for life. Not just 2 weeks. I don't want those people on a plane or near me. I'm being hyperbolic, but the concept is the same. We cannot protect everyone from everything and that's what we're trying to do with an airborne, minor illness. Adults need to make adult choices.

BayArea says

Employers know who has HIV/AIDS. I don’t believe for a second that details like this are kept private from your treatment paying employer.

AIDS is also not an airborne virus, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. HR would probably quickly throw that argument out.

What about TB? Airborne? Check. Contageous? Check. Does HR ask anyone if they have it, require proof of vaccination against it or a negative test? Nope. Why not?

What about chickenpox? Airborne, highly contageous, very deadly to people over 25. Why no mandatory disclosure for this one?